FurryCandyHearts wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

FurryCandyHearts wrote: »

OccultNerd wrote: »

So....I generally play solo, I group up for trials/end etc but that's it. I play solo because I don't need a group for normal overland content,wbs, public dungeons etc.. I'm not an elitist, my DPS isn't amazing but I get on fine for the content I play.

Along comes Night Market...you need to group/follow a group/ sneak etc.. no problem, it was advertised as group content.

What I don't understand is why so many players refuse to group up and then come to the forums or FB groups and moan because they expected to do solo NM and they can't, so that's it they are quitting....what is they actual issue? Why won't these players join a team?

I've seen people asking for a solo or easier version of NM, why? Especially after the majority of players wanted harder content!

Night market is gross and offensive for reasons i am not at liberty to entirely disclose here on thew forums. I find the entire premise repugnant. Pledging myself to any of the 3 miscreants is repugnant. And the starter quest those who would rule is repugnant. The house looks like a frat boy party palace and not at all like a house i would like to live in. I really can't say more but the entire NM is more repugnant than scribing and scrying and the witches fest and tales of tribute and all the other stuff they've added to the game. I thiunk it's even more offensive than the ridiculous over the top graphiical effects they keep adding to the game: even more so than chakram shields animation, night market is offensive to me. If only i could say more and be specific, but you know, it's forbidden.

Have you not read, experienced, or followed any TES lore prior to the Night Market? Cannabilism, <sex with corpses> (the word for that is actually censored on the forums), slavery, sex trafficing, filicide... the list goes on and on.

THe point of any decent mmo is to be a hero and STOP IT, not to join in on the mischief making.

Those repulsive acts I listed (except perhaps the necro sex one) are all accepted practices within TES lore. The character you're playing interacts and accpets them on a regular basis throughout the game. :shrug: Just sayin.

Heck, Jesters festival even makes jovial cracks about Bosmer, their neighbors, and what's for dinner.

Today I started a group with a friend who mainly RPs, we put it on the group finder and we had a full group before reaching the first mob. Minimal communication done, we just circled the district a few times doing all the quests and defeating all the bosses. This was on a Monday afternoon.

Bottom-line: it really is not difficult to group up and you don't have to be a great nor sociable player to make it work. People only exclude themselves.

A big part of the ESO Community is right now learning to group up, speak to others und coordinate (in case of the "Trial") to get their goals accomplished. The group finder was kinda empty the first evening (on EU), but it filled up more and more over the weekend. As an Event Zone people who normally play solo are probably more likely to try that for the first time, than joining groups for a trial. Everyone can hop in and out as they please no harm done to anyone. And everyone who does, will immediately see the effect of the whole thing becoming easier. If the group even has a tank its again a much better experience. You will fly through the market with your group, maybe die sometimes, but who cares.

As a note. Every pvp event has the same discussion, there some pve players feel it is their absolute birthright to go in a pvp zone, during a pvp event, and not be disturbed while they do their pve stuff. How daring to kill a pve player in a pvp zone. If their argument cant hold up anymore, its always bad game design etc. Never is it even considered, that such players need to engage with the pvp aspects to get their stuff done more easy.

Its the same with this honestly. Players engaging with the aspects of such content (grouping up, looking to improve their builds and playstyle, not expecting to be handheld for everything) will get through it no problem, while ones who dont will loudly complain and demand it all be changed, just like their pvp experience.

Thats not to say everything is perfect. Zos can make it easier for players to find stuff, explain stuff, and help their players who are actually engaging in the content to get a better experience (ex: i dont know where the other players are, where the fights happen, is everyone afk in the hub?, do i really need to switch instance for my group and how do i do that (a "solo player" wouldnt know that, etc). Difficulty wise, from a endgame player who plays for trifectas: No, NM is most definitely not hardcore and to suggest that is absolutely ridiculous.

For the balance aspect of solo friendly vs group content, Zos is not really bringing more group content this year than before. There are no dungeons on the roadmap, instead we get this and i am generally very happy they're changing things up with new stuff and trying to make it exciting. Which they - for the most part - succeded in and can build upon, instead of dumbing everything down again.

I know every Comunity has something to complain about all the time. But looking at other MMOs, and also playing some of them, its most amazing for me that the casual Eso Crowd doesnt seem to realize how good they are treated by Zos. Still.

I don’t like the aspect of taunting in this game. I find threat generation type of mechanics to be better. In other games tank’s offensive skills generated a large amount of threat. This allowed for a large diversity of skill choice and control. Making a passive on heavy armor that increases the tank’s threat (not eso taunting) would be something I would welcome.

To be clear the tank would still have to maintain attack rotations to stay on the top of the threat list in those games, so it did not make tanking easier it just streamlined things a bit.

Part of the problem with taunt in this game is the very fact it is an auto target the tank skill, which why the devs tend to avoid any type “aoe taunt”. It’s kind of too powerful because for the most part players hit one button get the npc on them instantly.

OccultNerd wrote: »

I've seen people asking for a solo or easier version of NM, why? Especially after the majority of players wanted harder content!

How do you know the majority of players wanted harder content? ESO is a casual game, played mostly by casual players and a lot of solo players, so putting a zone in that's just trial trash and dungeon bosses is too hard for them. Also, ZOS makes "play your way" a major selling point and people expect that, so when they can't, there's backlash.

ZOS should add a normal mode

I already replied to this non-sense:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8471505/#Comment_8471505

Plus, as it has already been mentioned on this thread before: this is the normal mode.

All the bosses and trashes basically hit and have the same amount of HP than bosses/trashes in normal trial.

The night market event is made to be played in group (which can be found very easily through the group finder, guilds, chat, etc.).

And, above all of this, I've quickly checked some of your recent threads: everytime you're complaining about something:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/692129/i-m-so-angry#latest
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/692201/crazy-market-daily-locations#latest
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/692304/the-snip-market-completely-misses-the-point-of-eso#latest
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/692172/opulent-eradicator-trial#latest
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/692129/i-m-so-angry/p1

At this point, maybe it'd better for you to simply stop playing the game and to cancel your subscription. It seems the direction the game has been taken recently can't meet your expectations. Too bad.

SilverBride wrote: »

BardokRedSnow wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

OccultNerd wrote: »

I've seen people asking for a solo or easier version of NM, why? Especially after the majority of players wanted harder content!

The majority do not want harder content. It was a the same handful of players in the pinned overland thread asking for more difficulty. That is far from the majority of players.

This is a lie

Actually it isn't. Go take a look at that monster of a thread. It's mostly the same handful of players. Also, I never ever heard anyone in zone chat, or guild chat, or anywhere in game complaining that the game was too easy.

I've occasionally heard a few players in zone chat complain about the game being too easy.

But I don't think the majority want harder content, because if that were so then I'd expect to hear a lot more complaints about it in zone chat.

Mind you, I have no numbers to go by, just my gut feeling.

The problem is, whenever harder content does get added to the game, often you'll hear players saying that the difficulty is nice but the rewards aren't worth it, so they're going to skip doing it.

That's what happened when Bastion Nymic came out, for instance.

And now, with the Night Market, you hear players complaining about the rewards, and saying that they're going to skip out as soon as they've earned all of the achievements, completed the Golden Pursuits, fully expanded their free house, etc.

I'm already experiencing districts which seem pretty empty of other players, but that might be a problem with instancing, not to mention the times of day or night when I'm playing on either server (PCEU and PCNA). I tried the "port to a fellow guildie" suggestion, and that seemed to help.

But even when I do see other players, more often than not they'll hang back and watch me get wrecked if I pull a "trash" mob near one of the bosses, thinking that if I start fighting then others will join in. I think that's what the OP is talking about-- there might be other players nearby in the district, but many of them seem very reluctant to jump into the fights.

The funny thing is, even if I'm not "hard grouped" with anyone else, just "soft grouped" in the general vicinity of other players, if we're fighting mobs and bosses then I'll start racking up "kills" (for the "kill 25/50/75 enemies" daily) for enemies killed by the other players, even if I never scored a hit on those enemies.

I wonder if that might be part of why some players are just hanging back on the outskirts of fights and not joining in-- because they're getting passive kills just by being "soft grouped" with players who are doing the actual fighting? I don't know.