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Re: Skill-Based Combat is Back: Why the Night Market is the Ultimate "Mistake Check" for solo players
But is it really skill based? I mean if yall really want a challenge why not play a real hardcore mode?
If you die, delete your character. No soul gems, no resurrections, no retrieving gear. Go right to character select screen and delete.
If you die, delete your character. No soul gems, no resurrections, no retrieving gear. Go right to character select screen and delete.
Re: Skill-Based Combat is Back: Why the Night Market is the Ultimate "Mistake Check" for solo players
Tl;Dr: Git Guid
While I appreciate your aided analysis, I disagree on the "solo player" parts and actually find it rather dismissive.
While I appreciate your aided analysis, I disagree on the "solo player" parts and actually find it rather dismissive.
heimdall14_9 wrote: »Note: I used an AI collaborator to help me organize my thoughts and structure this post
For years, the veteran community has been vocal about the lack of meaningful challenge in the open world. Since the removal of the original Veteran Craglorn difficulty and the shift to One Tamriel, much of the game's non-instanced content has become something you can breeze through without a second thought. The Night Market finally changes that, and it’s exactly what the game needs.
The Return of the "Skill Check"
The Night Market isn't just "harder"—it’s mechanically demanding. We have spent years asking for content where:
Mistakes Matter: If you miss a block, fail to dodge-roll a heavy, or mess up your positioning, you actually die.
Tactics Over Power: It isn’t just about having the highest DPS; it’s about using skill-based fighting tactics to survive something that can easily kill you if you slip up.
Engagement: You can't just "heavy attack" your way through while half-asleep. You have to be present and active.
Bridging the Gap
While I understand the frustration from more casual players, we have to recognize that the vast majority of ESO is designed to be accessible to everyone. The veteran community needs a place where their builds and their years of practice actually feel necessary.
The Night Market feels like a nod to the old-school difficulty where the world felt dangerous. It provides a sense of accomplishment that has been missing from the "overland" experience for a decade. If you want the rewards and the glory of the Market, you should have to earn it through skill.
The "Hard Question": What is a Solo Player?
We also need to have a real conversation about what it means to be a "solo player" in ESO.
A lot of people claim they want to play solo, but they seem unable to progress through challenging content without the safety net of a group or low-difficulty tuning. If you can only complete content when the mechanics are stripped away, are you really a "solo player," or are you just playing a multiplayer game on "story mode"?
It’s time to reevaluate the definition. A true solo player should be defined by their ability to master their class and the game's mechanics—blocking, dodging, and interrupting—on their own merit. The Night Market isn't "anti-solo"; it’s a test for those who claim to play solo to see if they actually have the skill to back it up. We shouldn't nerf the challenge just because some people realize they aren't as self-sufficient as they thought.
Re: Night Market is too strong
frogthroat wrote: »Yes, it's a group zone. I solo vet DLC dungeons and went there with my solo character. While waiting for grouping with my guildies, I had a generic PO build on and yes, it was tough but mostly doable. A boss took ages, though. Once I had some in a group I had to switch to a non-PO setup and noticed immediately that it's not really going to work solo, so I went to the central market and waited for the rest of my guildies to arrive.
It's a group area. Go as a group, or follow a group. Don't wait for anyone to pick you up when you die, just respawn. The respawn places are quite close so it's not far to run back to the fight.
AcadianPaladin wrote: »For those of us who checked out the Night Market and passing on it as it does not suit our tastes or playstyle, was it really necessary to make this week's addition to the seasonal tome challenges Night Market focused? I mean, beyond the first golden pursuit (starter quest), I won't be doing any of the golden pursuits - and I'm fine with that, but having a seasonal tomes task that is also Night Market seems quite like adding insult to injury. I was fine passing on the Night Market but now am more than a little peeved having it contaminate tomes as well.
That's my main issue.
We need to grind NM, with groups having completely different quests and goals due to different faction, and gather 2000 Favor to get the Tomes event.
2000 Favor is half way the grind to unlock the new house fully. Is a very long and tedius grind.
Re: Night Market is too strong
It's acceptable content, but personally prefer events that are optional group not forced.
mmtaniac
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Re: Official Night Market Feedback Thread
Meh, this isn't content geared towards me... and that's okay.
I do already group up twice weekly with my hardcore trial prog group (currently working on TTT), so technically I suppose we could all go into Night Market as well, but we kinda have our days and times we like to group up already and this content won't replace that.
It would be nice if this was accessible in any way at all for solo excursions because I do enjoy overland questing for quiet solo moments, but this is very much not it.
And that's okay.
I suppose the biggest disappointment is missing out on the first Golden Pursuit I'll have not completed, but this is simply a lesson in how to fight off this game's constant FOMO. I do NOT need to do/complete All Of The Things All Of The Time.
Kind of freeing, actually.
I'll continue with my current prog and playing other games until solo story content releases.
I do already group up twice weekly with my hardcore trial prog group (currently working on TTT), so technically I suppose we could all go into Night Market as well, but we kinda have our days and times we like to group up already and this content won't replace that.
It would be nice if this was accessible in any way at all for solo excursions because I do enjoy overland questing for quiet solo moments, but this is very much not it.
And that's okay.
I suppose the biggest disappointment is missing out on the first Golden Pursuit I'll have not completed, but this is simply a lesson in how to fight off this game's constant FOMO. I do NOT need to do/complete All Of The Things All Of The Time.
Kind of freeing, actually.
I'll continue with my current prog and playing other games until solo story content releases.
Re: Official Night Market Feedback Thread
I did see some favour orbs but don't understand how they work. I know you have to claim them manually, but sometimes it seems like they can be claimed by more than one player and sometimes not. I also don't know if they're drops from enemies or if they appear randomly. The interfaction competition is one thing, but then why create this random bit of additional competition among your own faction members? Because we also want favour for the Golden Pursuit and the achievements and whatever, not just to make sure our faction wins the event.
After two hours of slaughtering everything with wild abandon I only had like 435 favour. Because of the previously mentioned inability to share quests and have everyone work toward the same goal, all we could seem to agree on was to kill everything we saw. But the rewards for doing that are slim to none. For those of us who did not explore things on PTS, the finer points of this event have not been explained well.
After two hours of slaughtering everything with wild abandon I only had like 435 favour. Because of the previously mentioned inability to share quests and have everyone work toward the same goal, all we could seem to agree on was to kill everything we saw. But the rewards for doing that are slim to none. For those of us who did not explore things on PTS, the finer points of this event have not been explained well.
Re: Favor Ball Drops from mobs in the Nightmarket disappear WAY too fast
this is making me SUPER angry - completely unnecessary and just offensive - i have missed at least 20 of those so far just horrible design horribly frustrating
Re: Official Night Market Feedback Thread
Let me take a shot at some real-player issues. I have characters on both PC megaservers. My EU toons are all lowbies who are there mostly as a reminder of how things feel for newbies (it's not all sunshine, roses, and lollipops, btw). They present an interesting issue, but one not which has not been addressed in these terms, and I don't recall this being raised while it was up on PTS, either.
Normal playing time on NA is the wee hours of the morning on EU. How are you supposed to play in a group event zone when there aren't players around to group with (or even follow around) and your character is absolutely incapable of surviving on their own? I just got done standing by a district entrance with a character who would not survive on their own inside for more than a few seconds and there was no one headed into or out of that district. No LFGs in zone chat. Nothing but crickets and maybe one or two other players in the Plaza going about their own business. Is this "Group Event Zone, but come back during normal business hours"?
The more obvious solution is to play on the server which comes closes to having "prime time" at a time when you would normally be playing and I realize that this is not an issue which is unique to Night Market, but it does make me wonder how fluctuating players pops factored into development considerations.
Normal playing time on NA is the wee hours of the morning on EU. How are you supposed to play in a group event zone when there aren't players around to group with (or even follow around) and your character is absolutely incapable of surviving on their own? I just got done standing by a district entrance with a character who would not survive on their own inside for more than a few seconds and there was no one headed into or out of that district. No LFGs in zone chat. Nothing but crickets and maybe one or two other players in the Plaza going about their own business. Is this "Group Event Zone, but come back during normal business hours"?
The more obvious solution is to play on the server which comes closes to having "prime time" at a time when you would normally be playing and I realize that this is not an issue which is unique to Night Market, but it does make me wonder how fluctuating players pops factored into development considerations.
Night Market is a ticket to frustration and lack of basic respect to usual players
Basically all 3 "factions" do the same thing: go to the same places and engage in insane fight against hardcore mobs pretending to be "trash mob".
I imagine that each "faction" will ask us to deal with different aspect of ESO:
Find riches/steal things/dig treasures,
Discover new things/solve mysteries
And (this one should be the difficult one) kill everything around.
If you are a "professional" meta player and want to test your capacity you go smash; if you enjoy the discoveries, lore and stories in ESO will chose the mysteries. If you want to play the thief or uncover new valuable stuff you go to the Gold.
But no. All we can do is the same ridiculous "Trial mode" everywhere. Impossible fights even if you have 3-4 players with you. The supposed "bosses" are SO DIFFICULT that small groups can't cope with it!!!
And WHY, ZOS, you create another stuff EXCLUSIVELY FOR GROUPS? Do you despise solo players that much???
Night Market is a huge mistake, it's frustrating and NOT enjoyable. A good idea made completely wrong.
I imagine that each "faction" will ask us to deal with different aspect of ESO:
Find riches/steal things/dig treasures,
Discover new things/solve mysteries
And (this one should be the difficult one) kill everything around.
If you are a "professional" meta player and want to test your capacity you go smash; if you enjoy the discoveries, lore and stories in ESO will chose the mysteries. If you want to play the thief or uncover new valuable stuff you go to the Gold.
But no. All we can do is the same ridiculous "Trial mode" everywhere. Impossible fights even if you have 3-4 players with you. The supposed "bosses" are SO DIFFICULT that small groups can't cope with it!!!
And WHY, ZOS, you create another stuff EXCLUSIVELY FOR GROUPS? Do you despise solo players that much???
Night Market is a huge mistake, it's frustrating and NOT enjoyable. A good idea made completely wrong.
Scaletho
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Re: DK is extremely, ludicrously, overpowered in PvP.
Thumbless_Bot wrote: »It's only overpowered because the other classes haven't been refreshed yet.
What were you expecting?
Expecting from zos? Exactly this.
Expecting from any other SaaS provider who has made 20 billion off of their platform? All classes released at the same time to prevent the degradation of game play for months if not years on end.
We have zos, so we should expect exactly this.
That being said, we are all or mostly all still going to pay for our subscriptions and play the game, so they have zero incentive to change their model...
Like every new thing through the years....Warden was OP at beginning, Necro was it and now DK is stronger because it gets the makeover....next patch it will be DK and Warden...Circle of ESO
Arrow312
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