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Re: PTS Update 48 - Feedback Thread for Cyrodiil Vengeance Testing Round 4
I will go in to test it once the servers are back up, but just seeing the ESOLive and the patch notes are leaving one burning question that needs to be addressed.
What is the team’s goal for Vengeance now?
We were originally, and repeatedly, sold Vengeance as explicitly “a test.” We had the whole Q&A and stream to reiterate that it was only a test to bring Cyrodiil down to bare bones and then add over time to check what was causing performance issues.
However, now Vengeance is adding “Loadouts” and “Perks,” each with new UI elements. These are not found in any other mode, so the argument of Vengeance being a simple test to add things in to eventually get to Cyrodiil as is is weakened. (It also is noticeable that the Combat team spend the entire time on building these new Vengeance features that will be live for one week instead of addressing general combat imbalances that we’ll have through March.) We also know there’s a new Vengeance test coming in U49, making a U50 launch of a new mode likely. This is making it clear that Vengeance is no longer just a test, but the bones of a new Cyrodiil Campaign mode.
While there are players who would like to see a permanent Vengeance Campaign, players deserve at minimum a response to the changed end goal of Vengeance:
What is the team’s goal for Vengeance now?
We were originally, and repeatedly, sold Vengeance as explicitly “a test.” We had the whole Q&A and stream to reiterate that it was only a test to bring Cyrodiil down to bare bones and then add over time to check what was causing performance issues.
However, now Vengeance is adding “Loadouts” and “Perks,” each with new UI elements. These are not found in any other mode, so the argument of Vengeance being a simple test to add things in to eventually get to Cyrodiil as is is weakened. (It also is noticeable that the Combat team spend the entire time on building these new Vengeance features that will be live for one week instead of addressing general combat imbalances that we’ll have through March.) We also know there’s a new Vengeance test coming in U49, making a U50 launch of a new mode likely. This is making it clear that Vengeance is no longer just a test, but the bones of a new Cyrodiil Campaign mode.
While there are players who would like to see a permanent Vengeance Campaign, players deserve at minimum a response to the changed end goal of Vengeance:
- Is the new goal of Vengeance to be a permanent Campaign?
- Is Vengeance intended to replace any of the existing Campaigns?
- Is the team still going to consider balance for PvP outside of Vengeance?
- Is the team going to continue working on PvE balance?
- If, in the future new skill lines or Classes are added, will those feature into Vengeance?
Re: I honestly thought update 48 was incremental patch update yesterday.
Doesn't help they posted it in the normal patch category. What happened to posting pts patch notes in the pts category?
Re: Make all staffs channel
Not being able to pre-cast heavies would be very problematic for both RO and heavy attack burst sets.
Re: Why do you think the ESO dev discussion happened on Reddit and not here (WRONG ANSWERS ONLY)
And yet seven “leaders” still managed to avoid the most upvoted, relevant questions. R U sure it wasn’t so they could find the questions they were willing to answer?
Maybe next time do something less convenient for ZOS and more convenient for the player base you were trying to address.
Maybe next time do something less convenient for ZOS and more convenient for the player base you were trying to address.
Re: This is how games die
As to subclassing, I'm happy for the people who like it. From a purely commercial standpoint, it was a terrible decision. It will make retaining players over time more difficult than ever. Classes, when a game does them properly, feel very different to play. This is what truly gives players the freedom to play how they want. If they don't like the feel of combat, they can try a quite different approach by just trying a different class instead of a different game. By homogenizing everything, ESO has really shot itself in the foot for years to come.
I really agree here.
I love that my characters all feel different to play. I specifically built them (and their stories) around their Class, and it makes them each feel like individuals.
I can handle most of them being off-meta because they’re for-fun alts anyway, but it hurts that for my main I have to choose between being able to do HMs and trifectas and not using skills that just looks so wrong for him. And for all of the devs comments of “we want players to be able to choose!” there’s not a single place where a pure classed build is not outdone by Subclassing them, even in those realms like solo arenas or PvP where it is important to be able to tank, heal, and damage all on the same character at the same time.
I want nothing more than a new Class to release. It’s so much fun to play the game through new eyes with new skills and a new approach to combat… but it feels like the team’s goal is “just use Fatecarver” for everything. Subclassing is actually a great way for them to add new Classes and allow players to either start new or just take a new line on existing characters, which is a “best of both worlds” situation compared to things we’ve had before, but…
I don’t know if I can see the Combat team ever adding anything new if they can’t be bothered to balance what they have. It just feels wrong that I mostly hope the team is going to take the “heck, balance is already cooked, so why not just throw a new Class in there, can’t get worse, right?” approach.
Re: Feedback on Leaderboard Changes
RedJohn_COF wrote: »I actually had a discussion about that in our guild today and someone asked why not keep the class specific leaderboards but also have one for subclassing. That way you don't take anything away from people who just don't want to subclass (yes there are those people) but still have it accessible for everyone.
This would also be interesting to compare how the differences between "subclassing" and none subclassing is, because it was said that it's rather opt in and not a must have.
So I actually think this is a bad idea, because the leaderboards already have a low population on the less played classes. On PC EU, Warden and Necro only 59 and 55 entries in Maelstrom Arena, with 39 and 28 entries in Vateshran Hollows (DK also only has 42 entries there). And the bottom scores there are fairly low when compared to what is possible.
If you make those pure class only, then your leaderboards are going to shrink even more, which makes it lose a lot of value. A leaderboard between 10 players where half the runs are at 0 vitality is not a particularly exciting leaderboard.
Hmm... it'd almost be like players who choose to run a pure class are at a severe disadvantage in high-level content...
I wonder if the Combat team would ever be interested in addressing that imbalance...?
Re: Feedback on Leaderboard Changes
So after people utilized the data from the leaderboards over and over again to verify their claims on arcanists being overtuned and necromancers rotting in the ditch DPS-wise....
They remove any class indicator from leaderboards? Huh.
That does not look great.
They remove any class indicator from leaderboards? Huh.
That does not look great.
Re: Can we fail the wall event?
That's not going to be possible. Like all of the Chapter 'fill the bar' events, they'll be able to fudge the numbers on the backend to make sure it completes.
Re: Why do you think the ESO dev discussion happened on Reddit and not here (WRONG ANSWERS ONLY)
The devs love upvotes and karma.
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Re: The Major Class Overhaul Coming: Why I think Buffing is better than Nerfing
MincMincMinc wrote: »Buffing or nerfing is the same end result, except at a certain point buffing leads to a bloated game. Bloat leads us to performance issues and things like vengeance..
I believe actually it would have the opposite impact.
More deaths = less fighting time and more resolution.
Your bottom statement and top statement have no correlation though. Unless you are assuming there would only be DAMAGE buffs. Making people die faster
Regardless of how many buffs it doesnt dictate the TTK. What the number of buffs does is dictate the strain on the server.
