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Re: Overland Content Feedback Thread

Kyip wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Fair question. Caveat of "this is still in development" but part of this feature will include proper incentives to opting into more difficult content, without making it feel like you are being punished for not doing it.

Hi. I have a question. What can you tell us about the incentives for opting into this more difficult overland content?

I'm glad you are doing this for the people who want it, and I understand that incentives will of course be part of it. I hope it's just better gear (quality, sets, etc), which is what people who want more difficult content would in theory prefer. I hope it's not cosmetics. Because that has been really, really frustrating in the past, forcing casual players into content they do not like.

Let me give you an example. Right now you have cosmetics in Cyrodiil locked behind doing 50 daily Conquest quests for the special currency. This is utterly unattainable for me, personally. I understand that some things like the bear mount are a status symbol for the people who can get it. I have no problem with that. What I want, that I cannot get, is a Hircine 'skin' cosmetic that happens to also darken the base skin tone. I want it to adjust my Bosmer's skin tone to be a little darker, since that option is unavailable from character selection. I tried doing Cyro for it, but that part of the game is just... stressful and unpleasant for me, personally. Again, great for people who enjoy it. But locking what is functionally an accessibility cosmetic there really sucks.

As much as I hope the higher difficulty of overland content would only be item quality or set gear or other things that help people who want harder content... I have to assume it will also include cosmetics because that is kinda what ESO historically does for all kinds of harder content.

Thank you for reading. I hope you can tell us as much as possible about this. Edited to place my question upfront.

As for incentives, I’m speaking for myself, not for others. For me personally, I just care about $$$$$ as far as rewards go.

I already have all the gear I want. I’m over 1900 CP and so I don’t need extra XP. I don’t need Purple Overland gear, in fact I don’t need any gear at all. I don’t care about exclusive pets, mounts, skins. I just care about gold and I’d like questing to be an effective way of earning money.

So for me it’s pretty simple and basic 😅

Tariq9898

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Re: Overland Content Feedback Thread

mdjessup4906 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

It's not vindictive to not want players to have a free reign to change their difficulty choices multiple times a day to gain advantages. I suggested a token being required to change difficulty but a once a day cooldown would also help.

I can imagine a player seeing others fighting a world boss, so they crank up their difficulty and jump in to get the better rewards. Then they see another player gathering mats and they want to also gather mats, so they turn down their difficulty and start gathering mats faster. That is manipulating the system for advantages in my opinion and should be prevented.

I dont get it. Itat isnt abuse, That literally exactly the point of higher difficulty. Easy mat farming, hard bosses, or whatever. Theres no unfair advantage because everyone has access to that setting.

SilverBride wrote: »

As I stated above, I feel being able to turn difficulty on and off multiple times a day at will could lead to manipulating the system for advantage. This was the example I gave for what I could see happening:

"I can imagine a player seeing others fighting a world boss, so they crank up their difficulty and jump in to get the better rewards. Then they see another player gathering mats and they want to also gather mats, so they turn down their difficulty and start gathering mats faster. That is manipulating the system for advantages in my opinion and should be prevented."

This also negates the whole reason for wanting more difficulty in the first place, which was often stated as immersion and feeling the bosses weren't really a threat, and overland mobs weren't a threat, etc., so why turn it off?

@ZOS_GinaBruno Are there going to be any restrictions to how often players can change their difficulty, such as cooldowns, to prevent this type of action?

I dont get it. That isnt abuse, That literally exactly the point of higher difficulty. Easy mat farming, hard bosses, or whatever. Theres no unfair advantage because everyone has access to that setting. And better rewards for harder content is Everywhere in the game already, i can spam vet trials and random vets as much as i want.

And no cooldowns.That stupid cp change one still drives me nuts, makes predefining builds in wizards so damn annoying.

Are people who think this way the only ones who tag Gina, etc? Explains alot.

I see 'abuse' all over your comment.
If all you want is more challenging bosses, then that can be handled in group dungeons and trials.
Easy farming doesn't sound like you want a more challenging overland.
If the rewards are better for the harder content, then those who don't benefit from group play will be gated out of those rewards as well. Giving better rewards to make the difficult level easier will bring us all right back to this spot in about a year after the roll out. The rewards should be the same; the challenge is the reward.
Saying that everyone has access to a part of the game doesn't make it fair. You have access to removing your group-play gear and running Vet group dungeons and trials with basic overland gear to make the game more challenging.

shadoza

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Re: Overland Content Feedback Thread

Hakeijo should be available outside PvP in my opinion. Nothing should be locked behind the grouping wall. It should also be available through the hirelings. So should nirncrux materials be available through the hirelings. Handing the player items they could collect themselves isn't much of a perk.

shadoza

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Re: Subclassing: How to make skills not look jarring together?

I really wish they would allow us to choose our own skill colors.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

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Subclassing: How to make skills not look jarring together?

I have plenty of issues with subclassing, but even as I try to embrace it to see what's possible, one thing keeps making me want to just stick to pure class builds: skills from different classes look really bad together.

I tried adding an arcanist line to my NB to focus more heavily on DPS (I'm usually a healer), and it did indeed increase my damage a ton, but I just couldn't stick with it because my classy looking, shadowy NB now had a neon green weapon and all these neon green FX swirling around him. I then tried the same thing with a templar line, and while it also did wonders for my damage, I had to pretty much stick to using it just for passives because everything is a shiny, majestic spear from the heavens, which again, doesn't go at all with my classy, shadowy NB.

I also tried both a necro and a DK line, and those went well with my NB thematically, but they were pretty underwhelming in effectiveness. The necro especially feels like it only works if you have multiple necro lines. The DK was alright, but I tried using it to improve my healing, and it wasn't really any more effective than just using siphoning and a resto staff, so it was a net loss because I had to give up either my damage line or my utility line, both of which are what make the NB feel like an NB in the first place.

My personal experience then is that I can either be effective and look stupid or look alright and be ineffective, so I'm not very sold on using subclassing for myself, but as a PvP player, I'm aware that others don't care about looking stupid if it means they can explode people instantly, and so I'm effectively handicapped now because of subclassing.

joshisanonymous

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Re: Vengeance test key metric - player interest

AngryPenguin wrote: »

And PvE'rs aren't victims in this. The PvP players are.

Oh my goodness. So the discussion completely degenerated into let's screw the PvEers and "we are victims".

Obviously, legit points are out of stock for now. We've basically covered it all it seems, both in favor and against, and we're now at a stage of some very sophisticated mental acrobatics to come up with a delirium tremens level of an "argument".

See y'all after run3 when we have actual valid points to discuss again.

aetherix8

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Re: Vengeance test key metric - player interest

@MincMincMinc

There are many valid arguments indeed; you mention some, but your list isn't exhaustive.

Anyways, I was referring to the "PvE should get its own Vengeance testing" posts.

These aren't even arguments against Vengeance test, and those who suggest some PvE performance tests should open a dedicated thread, as it doesn't add anything constructive to the discussion about PvP performance tests.

aetherix8

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