SilverBride wrote: »

hiyde wrote: »

A well-crafted and interesting e-mail is going to get more eyeballs than the MOTD or a Discord ping. Everybody opens their mailbox. Far fewer check MOTD or Discord pings.

It takes one click to open the MOTD. The game even notifies all members when the MOTD has been updated, so they are aware that there is new information to be seen. Checking Discord is just as quick and easy.

In my opinion any member that can't be bothered to take a few seconds to keep up to date with their guild isn't a true member. They are just names on a roster.

In my opinion, I'm going to meet members where they are, whether it's the MOTD, Discord, Guild Chat or, yes, Guild Mails.

Yes it's just one-click to see the MOTD or a couple clicks to view a Discord notification, but not everyone does. It doesn't make them substandard members in my opinion, but maybe that's just me...

i don't have a problem with so many dungeons. i think they're actually fun. what does bother me is new sets that are, hmm, not really a game changer and don't get used. it's like they're just throwaway sets, which i get that it's not easy to come up with new sets that are going to make a big difference in players' gear setup (although occasionally it happens). but i guess it's kind of a shame that these sets, which i do collect to fill the collections book, don't have much use. but it's the zos dungeon formula, a formula that exists in overland releases too, and i guess that'll never change.

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

You've been social-banned. It's not related to any
Indeed it is, but this is not the first time I've been at the sharp end of a warning or ban for just running my guild and I am getting very tired of it. I spend all my time and spare money on this game doing everything I can to keep member's interested in playing it and therefore spending, and I'm treated like this, it begs the question, why bother, it's just too much stress.

If you submit a ticket, they should unban you. The first response is automatic. Only send a single ticket. Do not send multiple items just bumps you to the bottom of the line. The ESO help page has a link for account recovery if you're not able to send tickets.

I have to say though, based on these words alone, that this ban might be a blessing in disguise. Maybe you SHOULD scale back your in-game activities. Don't spend all of your free time and discretionary funds on any singular video game. It's not only a lot of stress for not much rewards. But you miss out on some great rl experiences you may have had. It doesn't mean you have to uninstall completely but I'm sure that you can pick officers that can take some of this burden off of you. Playing the game shouldn't make you feel stressed! You deserve to enjoy your life too

id like for them to make story mode versions of the dungeons

I get that some players don't like to receive mail, and I try to keep it to a minimum however sometimes needs must.

Is not like I enjoy watching my screen for 30+ minutes while GodSend does its thing while pondering if this will be the time when I'm hit by a social ban.

Just bear in mind that every time you receive an 'inconveniencing email' the sender was inconvenienced x500 to keep you in the loop about something important.

SilverBride wrote: »

I would be very unhappy if my guild started mailing me all the time. The MOTD is a good way to communicate to all members at once, as well as Discord. That is how our guild keeps us informed.

The good news is that members are free to join guilds that best match their expecations. If you happen to land in a guild that you feel is e-mailing too much, drop and move on to a less informational one. Guilds should have the choice to send mails just as members have the choice to bail if it offends them.

A well-crafted and interesting e-mail is going to get more eyeballs than the MOTD or a Discord ping. Everybody opens their mailbox. Far fewer check MOTD or Discord pings.

All communications tools need to be used responsibly or they just become white noise. We limit guild mails (outside of emergencies) to 1-2 per month. No complaints!

The most likely cause is that some words or combination of words tripped their automated social ban. They are set up to look for things a Gold Seller might say...

They're usually pretty quick about undoing the ban when you put a ticket in.

Back when Psijic Ambrosia first came out, we ran a raffle to give them away. I stupidly put "Powerlevel" in the subject line and got banned on two accounts in 10 minutes lol. That was my first encounter with the "automated ban script". When the first one got banned I had no idea what was happening so I flipped to my other account and started sending from *that* one. Oopsie.

After that, I bought a cheap throwaway account purely for sending guild mails. That way, if it did get any kind of ban, nothing lost.

Thanks to everyone confirming the issue – it really helps to know we’re not alone with this.

For us, it keeps happening again and again. For example, in Kyne’s Aegis HM Lord Falgraven couldn’t be taunted at times.
And just yesterday we had to abandon multiple times Graven Deep trifecta run at the second boss, because neither the tank nor the DDs were able to target him anymore.

Really hoping this gets looked into soon – it makes certain fights practically impossible.

@ZOS_Kevin – is this issue already on your radar, and can we expect a fix in one of the next patches?

And honestly, people are leaving this great game because of bugs like this, which is a real shame.

Is there a reason why a mass email, which all too often results in a social ban, is better than a MOTD?

As a guild user, I'd rather get the MOTD than an email. You get notifications for both in the same area of the screen and the MOTD won't get my officers banned.

DragonRacer wrote: »

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ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Ceral107 wrote: »

What's the reason, technical or otherwise, that things like the aforementioned housing tours - a piece of content that has no urgency attached to it whatsoever - can be hotfixed, but not this? If the issue has been identified and is ready to be fixed, what caused it?

Pulling out these two questions, which we can answer now.

In simple terms, this particular bug was caused by a guild history permissions refresh issue in the client C++ code, which is why we need to do an incremental. Server code issues can be fixed with hotfixes, and some client issues (UI scripting related, for example) can be fixed via hotfix. But client C++ codes require a full patch and deploy to address.

I think the actual question is... Why does the patch have to be two weeks down the road? Why not just deploy the patch and force all players to log out and patch? Because that's what seemingly every other MMO out there is able to do when needed.

[edit] Not to mention that it's a bit worrying that it's a client side issue. Because that means that an altered/hacked game client could access data it shouldn't be able to.

Because on console, Sony and Microsoft need to go through a verification process for the updates/patches for games.

That applies to normal/major patch updates. Playstation and XBox do have provisions for emergency/urgent patch deployment.

To ZOS this isn't an emergency/urgent matter. They turned off the data so no one can see it the trader bids, etc. They don't realize how this impacts trading guilds, so they won't bother to make it an emergency to push it out quicker.

I agree with you, they need to push this out a lot sooner, but they don't think it affects guilds that much that use the guild history data to properly run guilds, especially trading guilds.

The exact same mindset that saw absolutely no big deal about removing console's ability to sort trader listings by time left two weeks before the largest trader guild event of the year.

And then was all Surprise Pikachu Face about it when we all started wailing and ripping our hair out on the forum thread about it.

The absolute disconnect is honestly hurtful and insulting.

Yeah, the "Time Sort" function being removed was also another unwanted change. Seeing as most people that use traders sort by time for the better deals. A programmer or someone that doesn't play the game or use the trading system would know that removing this wouldn't be a good change. Probably a decision made on the design side of it, which again, they don't care how it would affect people that actually do use that function and how helpful it is, even it is a minor function.

The other sad part, is there is nothing that can be done to reverse or make things right after they fix this issue. Even if they fixed it today or tomorrow. The damage exposing the trader bid amounts with trading guilds, especially the INDEPENDENT guilds that do not coordinate with other guilds like alliance/mafia style network of guilds do, really ruined it even further.

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_JessicaFolsom Pinging them cause they need to see the result of their sloppy errors and relay it to the rest of the team.