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Re: Can the Daily Endeavors be biologically accurate?
Hapexamendios wrote: »I don't care about a fictional word conforming to real world norms.
From the Collins Dictionary:
I think they may have meant a fictional world conforming to real world norms.
At least that is how I read it at first!
Re: Subclassing: what are some ways that you use to deal with loss of class identity?
I've honestly dealt with it by abandoning most of my characters and playing ESO significantly less often as they've made these kinds of changes (starting with AwA).
There are other games that scratch that character creation / story / questing / progress / rpg itch way better at this point.
ESO has become more of a one-and-done, leave for other games till there's something new again, type of game for me. I have ~36 characters and I once played all of them regularly as if they were individuals, but now I mostly stick to my one subclassed meta character and just rush through everything.
(Outside of dungeons and trials with friends, but they've all become much less active too).
There are other games that scratch that character creation / story / questing / progress / rpg itch way better at this point.
ESO has become more of a one-and-done, leave for other games till there's something new again, type of game for me. I have ~36 characters and I once played all of them regularly as if they were individuals, but now I mostly stick to my one subclassed meta character and just rush through everything.
(Outside of dungeons and trials with friends, but they've all become much less active too).
Re: Overland Content Feedback Thread
Now that I’m thinking about it… a debuff setting might be a better option because it’s more flexible! 😅
There could be different tiers of debuffs. For example:
- Level 1 could be the equivalent of Normal Vateshran.
- Level 2 - normal dungeon.
- Level 3 - vet Vateshran (3rd portal)
- Level 4 - vet dungeons
- Etc. etc
Not only is it optional and incredibly flexible for multiple types of players, it also allows newer players to ease in to the game’s mechanics.
Someone also came up with a creative idea of a method to debuff. Which is making a bargain with Daedric Princes. An example could be making a deal with Herma Mora for more rewards but at the cost of nerfing you. And there could be different tiers and levels to that, depending on how desperate, ambitious, or hungry you are!
There could be different tiers of debuffs. For example:
- Level 1 could be the equivalent of Normal Vateshran.
- Level 2 - normal dungeon.
- Level 3 - vet Vateshran (3rd portal)
- Level 4 - vet dungeons
- Etc. etc
Not only is it optional and incredibly flexible for multiple types of players, it also allows newer players to ease in to the game’s mechanics.
Someone also came up with a creative idea of a method to debuff. Which is making a bargain with Daedric Princes. An example could be making a deal with Herma Mora for more rewards but at the cost of nerfing you. And there could be different tiers and levels to that, depending on how desperate, ambitious, or hungry you are!
Re: Vengeance – An Unsustainable False Positive
Im only pvping since years. I have spoken in different discord chats about the new coming vengeance tests on console.
The tonus is overall the same ; People dont like it ane are playing something else then, while this is up.
Im sure there is people who are enjoying it and wish its getting permanently implemented.
It feels like for the most it would be a nail in the coffin and it would push a lot of people away from eso (pvp).
Maybe thats the plan? Less people, less lag?
Its maybe 1% of the players on the forum, most just play the game and dont want to have a deep dive into it, including forum registration and looking up and discuss things.
But overall the mood towards vengeance, at least in the communities im in, is really negative.
Depends on friend group really. Your circle of friends that all agree with each other of course are going to be your "majority" of players. For instance my BG community either doesnt care or is just waiting for more tests to bring other systems into the test like passives, morphs, sets. Newer players post summerset era have always played in the proc soup shitshow, so they see vengeance as dumbing down. My 20+ older guildies from 2014-2016 returned for the vengeance test and were reminded of old cyrodil before it got boiled down to procs and effects everywhere with unclear combat. Everyone seems to agree that they want builds to continue, and it is in the best interest of zos to have builds as a main stream of DLC funding
Also realize the survivor bias, if 90% of people leave a game because they hate something about it. The only people remaining apparently are fine or like the current game. Does this mean the game devs trying to go back somewhere in between are ruining it for everyone? No it just means they are ruining it for that remaining portion of players.
We are still in the early stages of vengeance where they are doing background tests and laying out basic skills, no wonder most people find it boring. This is why most games do closed alpha and beta testing.....doing this level of testing is boring for most people who just want a finished product. Right now the major benefits to be happy bout are the split away from PvE and the fact that we cleaned up the random effects that are unnecessary in most cases. By the time you start adding back in all the other systems, combat will basically be the same with newer more performative skills done across the board all at the same time.
Re: Antiquities are missing from their vendors for 2-3 years
Initially I was doing it out of curiosity, to test numbers, but I'm rather tired and done.
They broke Moon.
Is this the player sentiment this design decision was intended to elicit? Hopeless surrender? How many paid development hours went into creating this particular experience, a unique disappointment? Was it worth it compared to the number of hours that get invested into pleasant player experiences?
Again, a warning to other players: do not bother with West Weald/Solstice maps. They are a con that removes gold from less knowledgeable players and gives it to better educated players. Judge each furnishing as if it is worth 50 USD, because that's how much gold to crowns it takes to secure one.
xencthlu
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Re: Guild history turned off - perhaps this warrants an unplanned and urgent maintenance?
@ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_GinaBruno
Unfortunately, the main post on the topic does not allow replies, so thanks OP for making this thread.
ZOS: Can you please clarify what exactly is being shut off? Is it only NEW data that won't be seen, or will ALL data become unviewable? The message imples that *everything* in "Guild History" is turned off (bank items, bank gold, trader bids, sales transactions, alliance, customizations, etc).
As of now, I'm still seeing fresh data for things like sales history. Has the block just not taken effect yet for me, or is *only* the "hired trader" section being turned off? (btw, In a guild that I am not an officer of, their bid history is appropriately blocked and I still see our bid history in guilds I do help run...)
Unfortunately, the main post on the topic does not allow replies, so thanks OP for making this thread.
ZOS: Can you please clarify what exactly is being shut off? Is it only NEW data that won't be seen, or will ALL data become unviewable? The message imples that *everything* in "Guild History" is turned off (bank items, bank gold, trader bids, sales transactions, alliance, customizations, etc).
As of now, I'm still seeing fresh data for things like sales history. Has the block just not taken effect yet for me, or is *only* the "hired trader" section being turned off? (btw, In a guild that I am not an officer of, their bid history is appropriately blocked and I still see our bid history in guilds I do help run...)
hiyde
6
Re: Vengeance – An Unsustainable False Positive
Im only pvping since years. I have spoken in different discord chats about the new coming vengeance tests on console.
The tonus is overall the same ; People dont like it ane are playing something else then, while this is up.
Im sure there is people who are enjoying it and wish its getting permanently implemented.
It feels like for the most it would be a nail in the coffin and it would push a lot of people away from eso (pvp).
Maybe thats the plan? Less people, less lag?
Its maybe 1% of the players on the forum, most just play the game and dont want to have a deep dive into it, including forum registration and looking up and discuss things.
But overall the mood torwards vengeance, at least in the communities im in, is really negative.
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You call forum unrepresentive for having selfselect bias because only 1% of players(from all playstiles) wanting to discuss creating account are on forum but think a cherrypicked sample from the discords you chose to be member in who probably favor one playstile is representative?
Discord is often used for voicechat which is needed for ballgroups/compgroups who are also the ones getting highest stats/healing/shielding on GreyHost and oppose Vengeance the most but rarely by solo players, pugs, casual smallscales or zergs.
You think the 99% not on discord are more against Vengeance than the 1% on forum?
I think the opposite:
If a player is invested enaugh in the game to have forum account to discuss topics (especially builds) than he is more likely invested enaugh to probably have a good build than a player who isnt. Why read patch notes and discuss buff/nerf xy if you not care about good build.
A player finding forum more likely also finds builds in forum or other website than someone who never googles game intern things.
Most of the 99% are rather casual PvP or nonPvP players more likely to like Vengeance than forums.
MincMincMinc wrote: »Im only pvping since years. I have spoken in different discord chats about the new coming vengeance tests on console.
The tonus is overall the same ; People dont like it ane are playing something else then, while this is up.
Im sure there is people who are enjoying it and wish its getting permanently implemented.
It feels like for the most it would be a nail in the coffin and it would push a lot of people away from eso (pvp).
Maybe thats the plan? Less people, less lag?
Its maybe 1% of the players on the forum, most just play the game and dont want to have a deep dive into it, including forum registration and looking up and discuss things.
But overall the mood towards vengeance, at least in the communities im in, is really negative.
Depends on friend group really. Your circle of friends that all agree with each other of course are going to be your "majority" of players. For instance my BG community either doesnt care or is just waiting for more tests to bring other systems into the test like passives, morphs, sets. Newer players post summerset era have always played in the proc soup shitshow, so they see vengeance as dumbing down. My 20+ older guildies from 2014-2016 returned for the vengeance test and were reminded of old cyrodil before it got boiled down to procs and effects everywhere with unclear combat. Everyone seems to agree that they want builds to continue, and it is in the best interest of zos to have builds as a main stream of DLC funding
Also realize the survivor bias, if 90% of people leave a game because they hate something about it. The only people remaining apparently are fine or like the current game. Does this mean the game devs trying to go back somewhere in between are ruining it for everyone? No it just means they are ruining it for that remaining portion of players.
We are still in the early stages of vengeance where they are doing background tests and laying out basic skills, no wonder most people find it boring. This is why most games do closed alpha and beta testing.....doing this level of testing is boring for most people who just want a finished product. Right now the major benefits to be happy bout are the split away from PvE and the fact that we cleaned up the random effects that are unnecessary in most cases. By the time you start adding back in all the other systems, combat will basically be the same with newer more performative skills done across the board all at the same time.
I agree on everything of what you said, except that the people in the screenshot are neither my friends or i know them propper.
As i said, i dont know anyone really who enjoyes vengeance.
But that wont stop vengeance and i dont really care, i play expedition 33 while its up
Even if they are not your friends them beeing on a discord community makes them more likely to have same opinion asyou as communitys usually consist of likeminded people and if you voice opposing you get unpopular, mocked or even kicked.
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Iriidius
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Re: Golden Pursuits?
I do not follow your financial argument. The game offers a palette of game elements. Each individual player enjoys a different subset of paints from that palette. No-one reasonably expects every player to enjoy every game element. You pay on the assumption that a reasonable portion of your contribution will also go to the elements you yourself consume, understanding that a reasonable portion will also go to the elements you yourself do not consume. If I follow your line of reasoning to its extreme: as I play on PC-EU, every dollar spent on PC-NA or any of the consoles is a waste of my money and I should complain about it, expecting ZOS to shutter those other platforms...
You are not following my reasoning. My position is simple. If I pay a sub for something, I expect to get something for the money I pay. If I feel that I am not getting what I pay for, then I stop paying. Not a big deal. I am only one player. ZOS will not miss my sub payment.
You do get something. Access to the game for the most part 24 hours a day every day and you get to do the activities you want. They don't disable some aspects of the game to force you into any activities. They rotate rewards through different aspects of the game because that is good for the long term health of the game. The game benefits from players doing a variety of things.
I get that for nothing. I purchased the game over 10 years ago. I can stop paying for ESO+ and still play.
Cool that you have that choice. If the other benefits ESO+ offers isn't worth it for you then by all means unsubscribe. The options to skip Golden Pursuits still applies and you get to play the game doing what you want.
kargen27
1
CP 3600 cap
Can we have our XP tracked and shown in game after we hit the CP 3600 cap?
CP 1.0 did that. It would be nice if they did that after we hit cap now.
It doesn't matter if we can't utilize all the points, but since we've put in the work and time, it would be nice to see where we're at.
It doesn't matter that they don't raise the cap, it would just be nice to know.
CP 1.0 did that. It would be nice if they did that after we hit cap now.
It doesn't matter if we can't utilize all the points, but since we've put in the work and time, it would be nice to see where we're at.
It doesn't matter that they don't raise the cap, it would just be nice to know.
sshogrin
3
Re: Can we revert oakensoul/buff it, now that subclass is a thing?
Any version of any mythic with either major force or berserk or both is inherently always going to be overturned since those are the 2 strongest damage buffs in the entire game, the new mythic is gonna be round 3 of learning the same lesson over again!
