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What Happened to Our Game?
I see people arguing about PvE, and I see people arguing about PvP battles… so I need to ask: ZoS, what in the world have you done to this game??
GG ZoS! GG!!
GG ZoS! GG!!
Asikoo
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Re: random daily dungeon infiltrated by dlc dungeon....
SilverBride wrote: »Nowhere here does it say that the reason for random queues is to be helpful to others by filling in their groups.
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/guides/dungeonsguideRandom Veteran Dungeon immediately puts you into a queue for any veteran dungeon group available. Because you are not queuing for a specific unique dungeon, you will be offered a daily bonus premium reward upon completion that includes Undaunted Exploration Supplies and XP. If you've already received your daily premium reward, you'll still earn a regular bonus reward for every other random dungeon you do for the rest of the day.
Random Normal Dungeon immediately puts you into a queue for any normal dungeon group available. Because you are not queuing for a specific unique dungeon, you will be offered a daily bonus premium reward upon completion that includes Undaunted Exploration Supplies and XP. If you've already received your daily premium reward, you'll still earn a regular bonus reward for every other random dungeon you do for the rest of the day.
Specific Dungeons allows you to choose from the entire list which dungeons(s) you would like to queue for. You can choose the veteran or normal mode versions and you can queue for multiple dungeons simultaneously. You do not receive a bonus reward when completing a dungeon you specifically queued for.
Players should not be required to fill in groups that are choosing to queue for dungeons that they know many players do not wish to run.
I think you just pointed out the solution as described previously by you and ZOS:
So form the 4-person, like-minded group for a base game normal dungeon, queue for a random (so you get the rewards) and if you get a DLC dungeon,the like-minded group can leave the dungeon and re-queue until they get an acceptable base game dungeon.
Aislinna
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Re: random daily dungeon infiltrated by dlc dungeon....
SilverBride wrote: »Nowhere here does it say that the reason for random queues is to be helpful to others by filling in their groups.
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/guides/dungeonsguide
Random Veteran Dungeon immediately puts you into a queue for any veteran dungeon group available. Because you are not queuing for a specific unique dungeon, you will be offered a daily bonus premium reward upon completion that includes Undaunted Exploration Supplies and XP. If you've already received your daily premium reward, you'll still earn a regular bonus reward for every other random dungeon you do for the rest of the day.
Random Normal Dungeon immediately puts you into a queue for any normal dungeon group available. Because you are not queuing for a specific unique dungeon, you will be offered a daily bonus premium reward upon completion that includes Undaunted Exploration Supplies and XP. If you've already received your daily premium reward, you'll still earn a regular bonus reward for every other random dungeon you do for the rest of the day.
Specific Dungeons allows you to choose from the entire list which dungeons(s) you would like to queue for. You can choose the veteran or normal mode versions and you can queue for multiple dungeons simultaneously. You do not receive a bonus reward when completing a dungeon you specifically queued for.
Players should not be required to fill in groups that are choosing to queue for dungeons that they know many players do not wish to run.
It's right there. It doesn't say "a queue for any dungeon," it says "any dungeon group available." That means "a group of players for a dungeon that has empty slots." Any group with empty slots. And that means that people who queue for specific dungeons are now a group that has open slots, aka an "available group."
It also says that if you queue for random, "because you are not queuing for a specific unique dungeon, you will be offered a daily bonus premium reward upon completion." Note that there's no stipulation in there that the dungeon you get needs to be one you wish to run. And indeed, if you do not want to run that one, you can drop group and accept the deserter penalty.
There is also an option if you want to get only dungeons which you wish to run: the Specific Dungeon queue. And yes, "you do not receive a bonus reward when completing a dungeon you specifically queued for." Because you don't need an incentive to do something you want to do anyway - the incentive is to entice you to go out of your way.
Re: random daily dungeon infiltrated by dlc dungeon....
SilverBride wrote: »tomofhyrule wrote: »And therein lies the rub. You want the benefits of being a good samaritan without actually being one...
But you won't. Because it's the Helping Hand reward you're truly after.
Queueing to fill in base game dungeon groups is being helpful to those groups as much as it would be to a DLC group, so the reward would be earned.
No it isn't. You said it yourself:
which means it is therefore more helpful to queue for a DLC dungeon, which means the rewards for doing DLCs should be considerably greater than for normals.SilverBride wrote: »I think there are way less that want to queue for DLC dungeons
But until they add tiered rewards, the choice is: 1) get the rewards for being helpful and deal with the fact that you are likely to get a DLC, or 2) queue for specific dungeons and have fun with the dungeons without needing rewards to incentivize you.
Unfortunately, "get all the rewards for minimal effort and the satisfaction of watching people who need DLC stuff suffer in endless queues" is not an option, nor should it be.
Re: random daily dungeon infiltrated by dlc dungeon....
And therein lies the rub. You want the benefits of being a good samaritan without actually being one.SilverBride wrote: »DenverRalphy wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »I'm saying that players that only want to queue for Base Game dungeons should have the right to queue for content they prefer, too.
They can. It's called queueing for a specific dungeon.tomofhyrule wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »I'm saying that players that only want to queue for Base Game dungeons should have the right to queue for content they prefer, too.
And they do. It's called "queue for specific dungeons."
And have to give up the random dungeon rewards to benefit those queueing for specific dungeons.tomofhyrule wrote: »If your entire goal of queueing is "I want the rewards for being a helpful human being," then you get what people need. You should not get the rewards for helping others if your entire goal is not to help others.
This has nothing to do with being helpful human beings. It has to do with being able to choose the content we want to participate in, which should be an equal choice for all players.
You already can choose the content you wish to participate in. You can queue specific. Heck, you can list a non specific "Random Base Game Dungeon Run" in the group finder to advertise to like minded individuals if you wish.
But you won't. Because it's the Helping Hand reward you're truly after.
Re: random daily dungeon infiltrated by dlc dungeon....
SilverBride wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »tomofhyrule wrote: »And herein lies the problem: you think that it will "increase player satisfaction" for the person stuck trying to farm for a DLC set, but their queue is popping even slower than a BG queue.
Why can't the players wanting DLC dungeons join guilds that run dungeons and form groups with like minded players? Or form groups with friends? Why depend on players that don't want to be there to fill their groups?
My guess is for the same reason that the players wanting DLC only normal dungeons don't join guilds that run dungeons and form groups with like minded players? Or form groups with friends? Why depend on players that don't want to be there to fill their groups?
There would be plenty of players queueing for base game dungeons. Those wanting DLC dungeons are the ones with the potentially longer queues, so they should look for their own solution.
Should players who only want base game dungeons also not look for their own solution? Seems to me the system is there, use it as it is, or find your own solutions, as you suggest.
Aislinna
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Re: random daily dungeon infiltrated by dlc dungeon....
Random is exactly that. You take what you get. You want specific content, line up for specific dungeons. Doesn't matter if you want all base game or all DLC.
Re: random daily dungeon infiltrated by dlc dungeon....
SilverBride wrote: »DenverRalphy wrote: »SilverBride wrote: »Why depend on players that don't want to be there to fill their groups?tomofhyrule wrote: »And herein lies the problem: you think that it will "increase player satisfaction" for the person stuck trying to farm for a DLC set, but their queue is popping even slower than a BG queue.
Now you're trying to twist the narrative by laying responsibility onto the players who like to play content you don't want to do? C'mon..
The players queued up for DLC dungeons didn't pick anybody to join their group. They merely made themselves available for volunteers to draw from.
I'm saying that players that only want to queue for Base Game dungeons should have the right to queue for content they prefer, too.
They can. It's called queueing for a specific dungeon.
Re: random daily dungeon infiltrated by dlc dungeon....
SilverBride wrote: »Why depend on players that don't want to be there to fill their groups?tomofhyrule wrote: »And herein lies the problem: you think that it will "increase player satisfaction" for the person stuck trying to farm for a DLC set, but their queue is popping even slower than a BG queue.
Now you're trying to twist the narrative by laying responsibility onto the players who like to play content you don't want to do? C'mon..
The players queued up for DLC dungeons didn't pick anybody to join their group. They merely made themselves available for volunteers to draw from.
Re: When will the Stonelore and Scalecaller crown crates return?
Stonelore crates were last available December 19, 2024 - January 2, 2025.
Scalecaller crates May 9, 2024 - May 23, 2024.
Most items take about 2 years to return so it'll likely be about another year till they return.
Scalecaller crates May 9, 2024 - May 23, 2024.
Most items take about 2 years to return so it'll likely be about another year till they return.
