Best Of
Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Combat Refresh: Werewolf
Mediocre_Talents wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »Mediocre_Talents wrote: »Let me make sure I understand the crying. NB can have 2 spec bows, Templar's can stand in their safe house (rune) and almost take no damage and still do insane burst, DK can press 3 buttons and be OP, wardens, I guess we will see next patch but WW gets a little utility and some burst finally and everyone loses their minds?
Why is everyone so worried about WW? Should the devs just remove it from the game, would that make everyone happy? I encourage ANYONE asking for more nerfs to play WW on live right now and see how bad of a class it is. Year over year, patch after patch the people who play WW are just left with crumbs. The refresh comes out and it's now 21 pages of people crying about how over-tuned it is.
I also didn't see half of these people calling for DK nerfs when update 49 hit the PTS and now some of them are DK mains. Nice.
Let's get back to focusing on bug fixes and actual things the devs can use to make WW better, not worse.
Don't worry devs are just nerfing werewolf some more and gonna call it a day. the whiners will get their way. 11 years of being worthless garbage, especially in PvE, and we're not allowed to even look forward to our own rework.
(From PTS Summary week 3, the patch coming on this incoming Monday)
I actually don't even know why the devs are doing this, I didn't even see that many people saying Werewolf Power is unhealthy in PvE.
Plenty of 200k one-bar WW parses out there currently so this reads as a wild overreaction.
There are some 220k pure sorc parces too, what's your point?
That 200k is INSANE damage in any context but especially for a one-bar accessibility playstyle.
And that there is a huge sweet spot between 200k and the "nerfed into Oblivion!!" doomster takes that are proliferating based more upon vibes rather than actual evidence.
Re: Update 50 PTS – Week 3 Summary
From what I know, at least for the last 5 years, they pretty much did represent the power difference also in content too (specifically talking about trials). A skilled player able to achieve high values on a parse dummy will also be able to update the build according to actual content requirements -- except for HA builds.Turtle_Bot wrote: »I really wish ZOS had never released the trial dummies, those things have been the absolute worst thing to use as a metric for balancing classes because they give completely unrealistic parsing conditions that doesn't match up with real content. But players throw around dummy parses like they are actual in-game trial runs and use the most unrealistic and cheesed youtube click bait parse numbers as reasons to call for nerfs to other classes without any understanding of how that number was cheesed and why it is not a good comparison of how the class actually performs in real content.
No, they can't. Before the u46 was released, there were rumors of a sorc achieving over 180K damage (the highest at the time) using Overload. But we all know that in actual PvE, the sorc's usage rate is still very low, tied for last place with the warden.
This will be werewolf, because unless you're in a WW guild that's just going YOLO or has human babysitters, you will be at a disadvantage if you're even allowed. Melee only cleave with no utility? Yeah lol.
Yes, I'm also puzzled by their attempts to nerf the Werewolf's damage in PvE. In my opinion, the Werewolf's performance in PTS-PVE is currently only slightly above average, not excessively powerful.
Re: Tonic of Portent Favor does not last long enough
It's the same as Ambrosias and Tortes. Best time to pop them is when you have a fistful of daily quests ready to turn in, or at the tail end of the Ordeal/Trial, then use the remaining time to farm bosses.
Re: Official Night Market Feedback Thread
Feedback for third evening (and perhaps a bit encouragement for struggling players):
A little less progress today - yesterday I got 750 favor, today only 675 (Note: I don't have much time for gaming, so we're talking about circa 1 to 2.5 hours per evening here). Is it meagre for that amount of time? I don't know. But what I think matters is: Even if it was only 500 a day, the 5000 points to unlock the bank vault would be reached in 10 days. The maximum favor to be able to buy every item at the faction merchant is 10000. So that would be at most 20 days, the event is running for 2 months - that looks absolutely achievable to me. And I gain most favor not by combat, but by just running around questing. As long as a soloist is able to move around in the combat areas, that's enough to get the bank and unlock all available furnishings for sale in between 2 and 3 weeks (with combat even much faster - but what I wanted to note is that even if you don't do combat, you can achieve this).
Side note: The visibility of quest markers is still horrible. Missing people and propaganda, especially.
I still have the same tactics like the past few days: Running around in the combat zones, doing quests (both from the plaza as well as the combat zone ones - the armor drops in those boxes are trash, but you get favor at least), and while roaming the map I keep my eyes open for other players and join in during fights when ever possible. What I noticed is that I barely take damage while just moving around in the Spider District - what ever it's called in English - anymore, probably because I know the map by now and can easily outrun the mobs (I need to heal noticeably more in those other two zones I've havent done much in yet - it really is a question of practice).
Apart from gaining favor, I had planned for this evening to get the remaining 3 fragments for the Eye of Arac - from 2 bronze and 1 silver boss, so a very straightforward task. Unfortunately, the joys of human interaction prevented it. When I logged in, the silver boss was currently active - I joined in, but at some point, the group just scattered?! Later, I tried again when another group was there, we had halved the boss' hp, then some person pulled it away and it resetted. Instead of trying again, the majority of people ragequitted, ran off or teleported out. With no one left, then I decided to take a break, too.
When I logged in again, that silver boss was gone, but the two bronze bosses were there. I stood there and waited for more people. No one came. People ran past, no one joined. I moved to the roof top nearby - one person standing around there, but afk. Later, there was a whole group of people standing around on the roof - doing who knows what, but completely unreactive. No reaction to chat. No joining in when I headed for the boss. They just stood there on the roof and did nothing. I waited for a whole while, nothing happened (now, consider what that means if the player cap for an instance is 36 and then there are whole groups just standing around afk - not blaming them, maybe they're not even aware of the player cap, but for group content with a player cap, that is a problem, of course). In the end, I logged off. Maybe I'm luckier tomorrow.
I got 3 fragments for another artifact today, at least (2 for boss fights, 1 from the quest box).
A little less progress today - yesterday I got 750 favor, today only 675 (Note: I don't have much time for gaming, so we're talking about circa 1 to 2.5 hours per evening here). Is it meagre for that amount of time? I don't know. But what I think matters is: Even if it was only 500 a day, the 5000 points to unlock the bank vault would be reached in 10 days. The maximum favor to be able to buy every item at the faction merchant is 10000. So that would be at most 20 days, the event is running for 2 months - that looks absolutely achievable to me. And I gain most favor not by combat, but by just running around questing. As long as a soloist is able to move around in the combat areas, that's enough to get the bank and unlock all available furnishings for sale in between 2 and 3 weeks (with combat even much faster - but what I wanted to note is that even if you don't do combat, you can achieve this).
Side note: The visibility of quest markers is still horrible. Missing people and propaganda, especially.
I still have the same tactics like the past few days: Running around in the combat zones, doing quests (both from the plaza as well as the combat zone ones - the armor drops in those boxes are trash, but you get favor at least), and while roaming the map I keep my eyes open for other players and join in during fights when ever possible. What I noticed is that I barely take damage while just moving around in the Spider District - what ever it's called in English - anymore, probably because I know the map by now and can easily outrun the mobs (I need to heal noticeably more in those other two zones I've havent done much in yet - it really is a question of practice).
Apart from gaining favor, I had planned for this evening to get the remaining 3 fragments for the Eye of Arac - from 2 bronze and 1 silver boss, so a very straightforward task. Unfortunately, the joys of human interaction prevented it. When I logged in, the silver boss was currently active - I joined in, but at some point, the group just scattered?! Later, I tried again when another group was there, we had halved the boss' hp, then some person pulled it away and it resetted. Instead of trying again, the majority of people ragequitted, ran off or teleported out. With no one left, then I decided to take a break, too.
When I logged in again, that silver boss was gone, but the two bronze bosses were there. I stood there and waited for more people. No one came. People ran past, no one joined. I moved to the roof top nearby - one person standing around there, but afk. Later, there was a whole group of people standing around on the roof - doing who knows what, but completely unreactive. No reaction to chat. No joining in when I headed for the boss. They just stood there on the roof and did nothing. I waited for a whole while, nothing happened (now, consider what that means if the player cap for an instance is 36 and then there are whole groups just standing around afk - not blaming them, maybe they're not even aware of the player cap, but for group content with a player cap, that is a problem, of course). In the end, I logged off. Maybe I'm luckier tomorrow.
I got 3 fragments for another artifact today, at least (2 for boss fights, 1 from the quest box).
Syldras
3
Sword & Shield Refresh
If along the class refreshes we get also a refresh of the weapon skill lines (assuming due to 2h) - it would be nice if 1h+s would be expanded beyond not just being a tank skill line but additional also a solo friendly skill line...incorporating more solo morphs like shields, heals, better (aoe) spammable, aoe breeches etc... could also be achieved with additional scribing options - i think that would be really nice...
Re: Official Night Market Feedback Thread
After playing a few hours I have some thoughts.
Grouping: I admit I hate grouping. I have commitment issues, I can't even have a gold fish. First I tried soloing, but that was taking forever and I soon realized I can get quests done much faster by just dying, getting to the Oasis, then leaping towards my next objective. I don't know if it's a bug or feature, but you can complete quest objectives while still dead. So that allowed me to solo some quests.
Eventually for the kill quest and skirmishes I did have to group and fortunately I was able to eventually find a gathering of players and just tagging along with them like a beneficial parasite. So I was able to get a lot done as a solo player just following others. Finished 3 skirmishes and got in all my kill quests and earned almost 800 faction points.
A huge request I have is to make it possible to see where other players are on the map to make it easier for solo players to join the zerg.
Difficulty: Solo, this was a major pain. On my dragonknight, I couldn't solo anything, my warden/arcanist had much better luck and I could solo groups, but it took time. But once I was tagging along with other players, the difficulty level made it a lot of fun. So I would say the difficulty level is fine for what this is meant to be.
Reward: I do wonder if the rewards offered is worth it though. I really didn't see any reward, other than the final skin, that looked worth playing for. I would have liked more exciting rewards. Maybe unlocking parts of the house becomes worth it.
Faction: Not sure why everyone on the PCNA server seems to have started out on the same faction. It's 49 days long, so it could change. But on day 1 the Eyes faction already has almost twice as many points as the other two factions combined. But probably not a big deal, since the reward between First, Second, and Third looks trivial. And eventually everyone will get to partake in all 3 factions.
Grouping: I admit I hate grouping. I have commitment issues, I can't even have a gold fish. First I tried soloing, but that was taking forever and I soon realized I can get quests done much faster by just dying, getting to the Oasis, then leaping towards my next objective. I don't know if it's a bug or feature, but you can complete quest objectives while still dead. So that allowed me to solo some quests.
Eventually for the kill quest and skirmishes I did have to group and fortunately I was able to eventually find a gathering of players and just tagging along with them like a beneficial parasite. So I was able to get a lot done as a solo player just following others. Finished 3 skirmishes and got in all my kill quests and earned almost 800 faction points.
A huge request I have is to make it possible to see where other players are on the map to make it easier for solo players to join the zerg.
Difficulty: Solo, this was a major pain. On my dragonknight, I couldn't solo anything, my warden/arcanist had much better luck and I could solo groups, but it took time. But once I was tagging along with other players, the difficulty level made it a lot of fun. So I would say the difficulty level is fine for what this is meant to be.
Reward: I do wonder if the rewards offered is worth it though. I really didn't see any reward, other than the final skin, that looked worth playing for. I would have liked more exciting rewards. Maybe unlocking parts of the house becomes worth it.
Faction: Not sure why everyone on the PCNA server seems to have started out on the same faction. It's 49 days long, so it could change. But on day 1 the Eyes faction already has almost twice as many points as the other two factions combined. But probably not a big deal, since the reward between First, Second, and Third looks trivial. And eventually everyone will get to partake in all 3 factions.
Re: ZOS, 4v4v4s may have their own issues, but they are much more consistently engaging.
Mainly came here because it WASN'T ANOTHER NM thread.
But while I'm here...
+1 for 3 team BGs remaining, as an addition to 2 team BGs.
Played both for years - both have pro's and cons, which is why choice is key.
But while I'm here...
+1 for 3 team BGs remaining, as an addition to 2 team BGs.
Played both for years - both have pro's and cons, which is why choice is key.
Brakkish
2
Re: Wizard's Addon Subclass Restriction?
Well it sounds like we are almost there. If the UI can do it free, then the code exists and could be simply modified to work in a different UI panel: Wizard's. LOL Thanks for confirming what I thought.
It's crazy now, we have SO many layers of redundant gear systems that could be condensed into one: just ONE build manager that swaps EVERYTHING and nothing else. We don't need a system for free menu respecs (that only respec skills) + shrine respecs, scroll respecs, etc. + another system that swaps skills and gear, etc. + another system (via addon) that let's you swap builds without swapping subclassing, etc. like bro, it's nuts.
can someone either code Wizard's to do everything (including some visual things + subclass lines) OR can ZOS stop being lazy and clean this mess up?
Thanks for letting me rant.
in order for wizards to do what your asking it will have to break even more rules then it already does , but once its able to i hope its the straw that breaks the camels back and zos will remove these type of add-ons as they give unfair advantages that eso system limit for reasons
After testing Shattered Paths mythic, it’s not the bear!
It’s very obvious if you test bear currently with the new mythic that it’s not the issue that’s causing it to parse high.
Once again it’s multi classing into Herald of the Tome and using maelstrom 2h. Without those two options Bear + shattered paths makes warden as high as a mid tier dd.
I’m currently hitting 150k with mythic and Bear ult without herald on my staff/staff warden, and 150K and my Dual wield/2h stamden. Both subclasses with Animal/Winters/Aedric, when I add herald and Mael 2h they become 165k-170k dds and when a better player uses it becomes 180k+.
I suggest looking into herald’s unique ink damage and maelstrom 2h’s interaction with all the best abilities in game before killing warden dpsing.
Side note, buff bow back bar again to be on par with maelstrom staff.
Once again it’s multi classing into Herald of the Tome and using maelstrom 2h. Without those two options Bear + shattered paths makes warden as high as a mid tier dd.
I’m currently hitting 150k with mythic and Bear ult without herald on my staff/staff warden, and 150K and my Dual wield/2h stamden. Both subclasses with Animal/Winters/Aedric, when I add herald and Mael 2h they become 165k-170k dds and when a better player uses it becomes 180k+.
I suggest looking into herald’s unique ink damage and maelstrom 2h’s interaction with all the best abilities in game before killing warden dpsing.
Side note, buff bow back bar again to be on par with maelstrom staff.
Re: WOW - you get NOTHING while reviving during a skirmish
If you want to call it a bug, it is a long standing one. It has always been the case that if you die during an encounter, for instance a world boss, your participation resets and you need to reach damage/healing done again to get credit. If the boss dies before this, you won't get credited, regardless how much damage you did before dying. So if you're not sure the time will suffice, you need to stay dead on the ground and only revive after the encounter completed.
I don't know if this is a bug or an intended mechanic, but I agree it should be changed because it actively discourages reviving and further participation out of fear of missing out on the reward.
yeah and a world boss that takes 1min to fight is also a lot less effort - the only thing this encourages is not reviving anyone, standing back as far as possible from danger and being just really not useful to the group...
on top usually only your active group is doing a skirmish and no one else