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Re: Addressing Dragonknight Power Level on U49 PTS
Will the off balance bonus in Lava Whip be changed or moved to class mastery in some form? With subclassing and scribing, it's far too easy to source off balance, almost zero preparation in PvP, and no down time unless target survives 5 whips, while in PvE 5 stacks per 20 seconds doesn't look very useful.
moo_2021
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Re: Official Night Market Feedback Thread
How about you count number of people who posted positive feedback vs negative just in this thread. You will get both the idea and the stats.Parasaurolophus wrote: »
Where did you get the idea that the majority wants a reduction in difficulty? Do you have any statistics?
z32
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Re: Shattered Paths Signet Is Problematic
CameraBeardThePirate wrote: »Major_Mangle wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »I've been calling to nerf Ele Sus for years but folk always come out of the woodwork to proclaim that it is somehow balanced, heh.
Folk really will make any argument, no matter how ridiculous, to keep their overpowered toys.
The underlying issue is that status effects deal way too much damage, with 0 drawbacks
Status effect damage has been overperforming for years. You can find overtuned status effect pressure builds as far back as Morrowind patch. Status effects should get a major overhaul and be more about unique debuffs rather than being free damage procs.
P.S
To add to someone earlier in the thread saying they'd use Esoteric to deal with the status effect damage.....since status effects are considered as "procs", and won't proc other procs, Esoteric ain't gonna mitigate the damage from status effects
That's not how that works lol. Esoteric works with any direct damage, proc sets and status effects included.
Proc sets have always procced "take damage" effects. They just can't proc anything else on the user's side.
Think of procs as pets; they count as their own entity. A user's own proc effect cannot proc another proc set that the user is wearing because the proc effect is not "wearing" the proc set.
However, on the target side, it doesn't matter what the source is. A set that procs upon taking damage doesn't care what the source of said damage is, because the target is wearing the set and any damage the target takes will proc the effect.
Either ZOS changed/fixed that or I´ve been misinformed then. I mainly base that on what people found out when Esoteric was first added to the game on PTS (I know it had some strange interactions with taking damage while having a shield active etc).
Re: Shattered Paths Signet Is Problematic
We are going to have to suffer at least till u51 with this, and even that isn't sure yet. Until then we are stuck in the worst meta in the games history.
PvP is gonna suffer a lot.
PvP is gonna suffer a lot.
Wup_sa
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Re: Shattered Paths Signet Is Problematic
Major_Mangle wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »I've been calling to nerf Ele Sus for years but folk always come out of the woodwork to proclaim that it is somehow balanced, heh.
Folk really will make any argument, no matter how ridiculous, to keep their overpowered toys.
The underlying issue is that status effects deal way too much damage, with 0 drawbacks
Status effect damage has been overperforming for years. You can find overtuned status effect pressure builds as far back as Morrowind patch. Status effects should get a major overhaul and be more about unique debuffs rather than being free damage procs.
P.S
To add to someone earlier in the thread saying they'd use Esoteric to deal with the status effect damage.....since status effects are considered as "procs", and won't proc other procs, Esoteric ain't gonna mitigate the damage from status effects
That's not how that works lol. Esoteric works with any direct damage, proc sets and status effects included.
Proc sets have always procced "take damage" effects. They just can't proc anything else on the user's side.
Think of procs as pets; they count as their own entity. A user's own proc effect cannot proc another proc set that the user is wearing because the proc effect is not "wearing" the proc set.
However, on the target side, it doesn't matter what the source is. A set that procs upon taking damage doesn't care what the source of said damage is, because the target is wearing the set and any damage the target takes will proc the effect.
Re: Concerns About ESO’s Future Direction and Solo Player Experience
Prophet_of_Malacath wrote: »I don’t care at all about Hardcore‑only difficulty options — I don't like it, But I can handle them.
The question is: what about the other solo/casual players?
They get help from randos or guild.
Like, you're seriously not absorbing, this is THE BEST INTRODUCTION TO GROUP CONTENT they've had in a while.
People get nervous with Dungeons.
Some folks don't even try Trials.
The NM Trial was the first trial I ever stepped foot in, and I haven't really done Vet Dungeons either. It can be a lot of pressure for the typical solo/RPer to do hard content with only 4 people, or even 12 if everyone matters to a great degree.
Night Market's zergy nature made it easy to jump in but not be the sole point of failure for a group of people. Also everyone is learning and dying together, and it was a great sense of community without being blamed/yelled at or the toxicity that can sometimes come up in other content.
People can join and easily be carried if at least half the group is decent, and slowly get used to harder content on their own terms.
It was Night Market that inspired me to do my very first trial and it opened my eyes up to some possibility now.
Re: Shattered Paths Signet Is Problematic
Remathilis wrote: »I swear I see this exact post for every new mythic released. Maybe just ban mythics in pvp?
What part of this mythic also being insanely overtuned in PvE did you miss?
Re: I’m so angry....
This could have all been answered by the statemant "Google is your friend", as any good will has gone with your constant posting and demands that players answer "YOUR" problems without effort from yourself!
Re: Concerns About ESO’s Future Direction and Solo Player Experience
@ZOS_Kevin I want to chime in as someone who predominantly plays this game solo, the Night Market the way it is now is exactly what's been missing from this game.
It is difficult, yes. Nigh-impossible to solo even. And that's a good thing.
This is good MMO content right here. It's a reason for people to group up. It's a reason for guilds (other than social and trading guilds) to exist.
If everything in this game is so easy it can be soloed, there is no point to this game being an online multiplayer.
Would a single-player TES game with optional coop be cool? Yes, of course.
But ESO was made to be an MMO, not a RPG with optional co-op. There is no point in trying to undo that decision now by limiting ourselves to having only soloable content.
There is plenty of solo content in this game already. The people that are complaining are only complaining because not all content is solo player content. It's the same people that selfishly advocate for the removal of PvP so solo questing in Cyrodiil can happen and the same people that in the past have cheered for nerfs targetting the perceived "elite" that in hindsight only made the game more difficult for the average player.
Fun is subjective and people are trying to pass off their subjective enjoyment (or lack thereof) as objective feedback concerning the health of the game. That's not the same.
I also want to point out that my time in the Night Market has, to me at least, brought back memories of Imperial City's glory days. Content that you can grind, that you want to grind yet isn't "a grind". Something you and your guild can spend hours and hours doing, not because you feel pressured to do it, but because you want to and because it feels worth it.
I've been helping out in groups as tank to help people tackle the Skirmishes, the keys, etc, because "it's too difficult". This is the stuff that brings people together. It's all of us together against the challenging content. And then you win.
That's the fun.
Should the Night Market not return beyond the three initial runs, some of the learnings from it could definitely be applied to revive Imperial City somewhat. The core loop present in the Night Market is something crucial which Imperial City has been lacking.
It is difficult, yes. Nigh-impossible to solo even. And that's a good thing.
This is good MMO content right here. It's a reason for people to group up. It's a reason for guilds (other than social and trading guilds) to exist.
If everything in this game is so easy it can be soloed, there is no point to this game being an online multiplayer.
Would a single-player TES game with optional coop be cool? Yes, of course.
But ESO was made to be an MMO, not a RPG with optional co-op. There is no point in trying to undo that decision now by limiting ourselves to having only soloable content.
There is plenty of solo content in this game already. The people that are complaining are only complaining because not all content is solo player content. It's the same people that selfishly advocate for the removal of PvP so solo questing in Cyrodiil can happen and the same people that in the past have cheered for nerfs targetting the perceived "elite" that in hindsight only made the game more difficult for the average player.
Fun is subjective and people are trying to pass off their subjective enjoyment (or lack thereof) as objective feedback concerning the health of the game. That's not the same.
I also want to point out that my time in the Night Market has, to me at least, brought back memories of Imperial City's glory days. Content that you can grind, that you want to grind yet isn't "a grind". Something you and your guild can spend hours and hours doing, not because you feel pressured to do it, but because you want to and because it feels worth it.
I've been helping out in groups as tank to help people tackle the Skirmishes, the keys, etc, because "it's too difficult". This is the stuff that brings people together. It's all of us together against the challenging content. And then you win.
That's the fun.
Should the Night Market not return beyond the three initial runs, some of the learnings from it could definitely be applied to revive Imperial City somewhat. The core loop present in the Night Market is something crucial which Imperial City has been lacking.
Re: Concerns About ESO’s Future Direction and Solo Player Experience
- Does ZoS have plans to turn ESO into something like a Dark Souls-style game?
- Do they have any plan to push solo players out of the game?
To answer the core questions asked:
Q: Does ZoS have plans to turn ESO into something like a Dark Souls-style game?
A: No.
Q:Do they have any plan to push solo players out of the game?
A: No.
Just following up here generally. We hear the feedback from solo players about the Night Market content. We want to follow up with just few things.
We have no intention of pushing solo players out of the game. However, we started this year off by noting that we were going to try some new things. Night Market is one of them. While we always provide group players with trials, we also wanted to try something different. This was not to alienate solo players, but rather to add a new way to play. That being said, we do hear the feedback and have passed that on our teams for future consideration, especially for when Night Market comes back later in the year. Remember, part of the ethos of this event is to add to it over time.
As several have noted in this thread as well, we have a roadmap that is publicly available. The point of the roadmap is to showcase the content we have coming throughout the year. As is noted on the roadmap and current PTS testing, we have plenty of solo friendly content as well. Thieves Guild and Sheogorath Questlines, Favors system, Rumors system, Two Solo Dungeons, Sage's Vault, and the list can keep going. And that is all on top of existing content. We also understand that not every piece of content will be for everyone, and that is okay.
We know this may come off as a contentious statement, but it does bare repeating. While we are an Elder Scrolls game, we are also an MMO. Storytelling and the heart of solo adventure will always be an important part of ESO. However, some of our event/ event zone content will be focused on encouraging group play. It is the nature of the genre. Additionally, we know just like there are players who come for solo content, there are also players who come for group content and challenging group content. So we want to make sure we are providing new things for them as well.
We'll close with this. Last year, we saw many threads throughout the year asking us to address content and find new ways of renewing the gameplay experience, both in variety and challenge. We are in the first passes of this now with items like Night Market going live. But we will have content throughout the year to address both solo and group play within the community. The feedback is helpful to steer us on the right track. So thanks to everyone, both solo players and group players, who have given their constructive feedback regarding the Night Market. The team is taking a look at what can be done during this current running and what can be adjusted for the next run of the Night Market.
Thank you Kevin, we love you Kevin!!!
I’m really glad to hear ZOS wants to give group players content focused on them, rather than everything having to be for everyone (before people call me a gatekeeper, I say this because if all content is for everyone, it’ll never be anything but easy and boring once you’ve progressed far enough since the difficulty has to be averaged). I do want to touch on “while we always provide group players with trials” just to be clear— dungeons and trials are both group PvE endgame activities but the communities are a venn diagram, not a circle. Even in the overlap, in my experience people lean more towards one content or the other.
Night Market does in a way feel like a love letter to the dungeon community and for that I am grateful. Some say it was a bad move to reuse existing mechanics but for me, that’s the one part of IA I like— seeing dungeon mechanics and bosses in a different context. It’s different to me than you guys taking that razor fire line mechanic from dread cellar, putting it in dreadsail trash, and then putting it in oathsworn pit…
I do hope you guys are still thinking about the pts feedback for hard modes though, I’ll post in the feedback thread after I’ve done the dungeons but I’ve been hearing from guildies that they’re boringly easy.
Anyway, after hearing that the content is for groups and will continue to have groups as its focus… I think I don’t want a normal version of Night Market actually… I said in the feedback thread that some of the trash enemies could use some nerfing, and I still stand by that, but we need content like Night Market (and dungeon challenger rewards!) to push and pull people out of their comfort zone to TRY content that they thought they’d never be good enough for/never would like/etc. Maybe they’ll still not like it… but maybe they’ll realize they enjoy it (I HATED pvp… until I killed someone!). Without these draws, midgame will continue to die (I hear it’s pretty dead already). Without midgame, endgame will wither out eventually from people leaving but not enough replacing (I dropped my guild from challengers and tris to veterans, challengers, and tris because the guild was dying, though there were other things at play, our reputation as an elite guild seemed to be one of the two big problems). Hearing someone say they tried their first trial because of Night Market… people joining groups for the first time… and my experience of players from mid game to scorepush all fighting one boss together… I think Night Market as it is is important for the health of the game past casual play.
Soarora
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