Love how this thread was about having empathy and perhaps some patience & consideration and then it gets the same posts as other threads being derogative about casuals & you just need to group/git good. 🙄

I am what might be considered an ‘elite’ player. I spend most of my time in game doing vet hm on trials & dungeons. So the NM should be right up my street, yeah?

No. It’s awful. Just awful. It’s so badly designed I almost believe it’s done by AI.

Make it too hard for the majority of players, most of whom do not like big grouping, and play this game solo or with a couple of friends, and you wonder why people complain?

Oh but this is for those that enjoy group play, you say. Just join a group via GF and all will be rosy. With a pop cap of 36? Lol. Read the posts of those who have tried. And given up.

And if it is for group play, why make it such a grind? I’ve given up hope of doing the trial or dungeon or whatever because the time & logistics of first getting a group together, then all getting the right number of <whatever> to progress to the next bit, in a certain time frame as most of us have a life outside this game, seems ridiculous & unachievable.

And then, if I want to do the trial or dungeon again, I have to do the grind again?! Hell no.

In previous content for those ‘group players’ there are varying levels of difficulty, making it accessible to virtually everyone. Th NM is not.

And the idea that this is good as it gets players out of their comfort zone & makes them ‘get better’ is arrogant nonsense. Who are you to tell people how the should play & enjoy themselves? Not everyone plays a video game to stroke their own ego & become a dps (or whatever) god. My self worth is not dependant on killing pixilated enemies.

And for those who say there are areas of the game that they don’t like & don’t play, so why should everyone be able to everything - well, a major content drop that is making a lot of people not want to play the game AT ALL, is not the same as people not wanting to do housing or ToT.

Stop dividing the playerbase. Calling people casuals or elites or whatever. We all play the game and want it to succeed, but this is sadly another mis-step. And their owners won’t tolerate too many mis-steps. Especially if the money stops coming in.

@coop500 ...I read your post OP and felt so much empathy which is rare these days, thank you. ❤️

I was going to create my own post but here you are with a voice for us that have struggled with Night market, not cos we are deliberately being rdbellious, not because we hate group content but simply cos we cannot beat it.

I no longer pvp like i used to back in the day in eso but when it is the mayhem event i go into cyro and give it a good go.

I am not in a raiding guild atm but i have farmed gear sets by joining LFG trials and i really loved healing those trials. I enjoyed the pug comraderie. I am not adversed to grouping with new and vet peeps

I pug dungeons all the time as a healer for transmutes and pledges.

I got my hubby to return to eso amd we enjoy IA.

What breaks my heart is that i /we have been locked out of this Night market content cos we could not find groups from the start of it and we went to the plaza all excited , we joined the faction we had researched and liked and then finalky we go in...theres one other random player, bless him and we start killing mobs....hubby in his tank build and myself in dd plus heals and we did kill a group of mobs but they respawned so fast that we were innundated or overpowered by insane damage. It just seemed too much

Note ive been playing eso since launch 2014 with just a few breaks. I know about LA, animation cancellation, cp, gear etc etc.
Im realising that many solo players that can solo it are pvp players, other use stealth builds with wizard wardrobe and then switch builds...many players had a head start in pts so now they know what to do.
Today i wanted to give it another go and i looked in group finder only to get confused by the lingo,or acronyms. I didnt know .
what group to join. Some groups were asking for relics...i had no clue what for.

Not every player plays on the pts.
We pay for a game we feel we are locked out of certain content, im not crying. I want to enjoy all eso content.

I am skipping it
I don't enjoy pointless slogs
It does not exist

JemadarofCaerSalis wrote: »

I also have a question related to this.

What exactly is a zone? IE, is each district its own zone? Or are all three districts in one single zone?

AScarlato wrote: »

36 is way too small for this content - especially if that covers the town and all 3 areas at once.

I have been trying to articulate a way to ask this, what DOES it cover.

Because yeah, if it covers all three zones AND the nightmarket, then of course the districts are going to be empty.

It sounds like all of the areas once you enter the Night Market are considered the same zone. I don’t remember seeing a loading screen when you open the door to the Skittering, Parch, or the Sorrow areas.

I also have a question related to this.

What exactly is a zone? IE, is each district its own zone? Or are all three districts in one single zone?

AScarlato wrote: »

36 is way too small for this content - especially if that covers the town and all 3 areas at once.

I have been trying to articulate a way to ask this, what DOES it cover.

Because yeah, if it covers all three zones AND the nightmarket, then of course the districts are going to be empty.

nb_rich wrote: »

Lydawobbles wrote: »

Are those numbers per faction across all platforms?

Good question cause it shows a lot of points accumulated, but I can’t find anyone in the night market unless its people just standing around lol people are barely even posting “lfg” in the zone chat.

Imo it's gotta be platform specific.

This activity is being driven only by a few hundred players at best.

Another exceedingly boring post from one of the "learn to play" brigade.

Very few people want this level of content. Most want the kind of new content we had with Chapters (zones, stories, quests, and other content in keeping with Elder Scrolls lore). That isn't to say there shouldn't be a balance and we can't do things in a different way from Chapters, but when a majority of players won't play the content because it's too frustrating, too difficult, too boring..... what's the point of it?

ZoS current direction is all wrong.

I like and find it overall too easy still, but the question of the purpose arises. What are the rewards exactly or the ultimate goal? it is not clear to me yet. Mobs drop no gold, and we only get old sets, which I only appreciate in the way of filling my sticker book.

Maybe the purpose soon reveals itself now where I have all 3 artifacts and can supposedly delve deeper.

I want to also give a little more feedback as I've had the chance to do night market with an optimized raid team split in half, calling ultimates and making sure all buffs were provided etc. With 5 people we destroyed everything in our path and as we went on we collected more and more people following us. This was so simple it almost felt too easy.

Last night I brought a group of about 18 at the max and 12 at the low end over the 3 hours we were there, split into two groups all in voice. These were many casual, solo questing people and some new low CP guildmates. We had 1 very experienced tank and healer and a couple of us were experienced vet and hm trials players. We had a much harder time and I can see the difference being optimized makes. We still got everyone all skirmishes and bosses and most people have all splinters except the coffer ones. We died a lot. We had people follow us, sabotage our mini games, steal taunt and over taunt bosses but all in all it was a pleasure to have my guildmates who wouldn't be able to do these things solo, in a group and getting stuff done. Some of them had never grouped and didn't even know how to travel to player.

I know some people are opposed to grouping. Don't want to feel forced. Want to do everything solo. I wish they had made difficulty levels but they did not. Things are the way they are. The night market is an amazing zone and a super fun time. I would encourage people to try it out. Ask in guild if there's anything going on. If you're on PSna, and want to follow a group this evening, we'll be going till midnight Eastern, dm me and I'll send you my account name. You can join people that are just there to have fun and where saying sorry is 10k to the guild bank.