MashmalloMan wrote: »

If you're gonna have the aoe spawn on you, then why not just replace it entirely with a short self buff the player can consume.

ZOS has a twisted sense of humour with some of these sets.

Monolith of Storms for example, a stationary shock proc for the most mobile skill line in the game.

I can only think similar flawed reasoning was used for this set and their whole "Templar builds a temple" playstyle they like to make, but nearly everything about Aedric Spear is about being a mobile brawler, not a stationary brute, so it's in direct conflict with itself for an unfun experience.

This sounds like a great change 😊👌

Luneca wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

I don't know why OP even said the status effects can be dodged, because no, most status effect sources can not be dodged.
Elemental Susceptibility, the worst offender right now, is entirely undodgeable, and so are status effects caused by dots.

Dodgeable referred to the other parts of the equation needed to make it even relevant. No one has yet proven in any capacity that the set is OP besides only sharing their opinion that they think it is. What exactly is OP about it?

More than one instance of damage in an instant? How exactly is that different from anything else in the game? That it's automated like every other proc in the game?

Also if we want to stack status effects in an instant of time, or overall damage instances in a single instant, or even the most damage in a single instant there are far better options all around despite what some are claiming here which is exactly why they need to elaborate on why even more powerful status effect builds aren't an issue, but one using Serpent's Disdain is.

I literally cannot understand. Even if they nerf the set it doesn't really matter because there's other options that offer more "oppresion," if we are talking about status effect proccing in an instant of time and doing damage.

But then the argument is seeminly well the length of it is too much . Literally identical to the time they had elemental susceptibility last 60 seconds before it was cut to 30.

The argument then was that it was bad because it was free damage. And the exact same people complained about it then with the same exact kind of logic, or do we need to do a forum search to bring it up?

And the strange part is they are claiming it was always OP, but had no issue with it until this patch?

Again, I don't use the set. I just need to understand exactly what kind of logic they are using.

The only reason I see is that Poisoned and Burning are considerably stronger dots than those applied by skills, and making them permanent is what makes it strong. The debilitations from other status effects, such as defile, are also strong, but not necessarily game breaking. The set itself also has laughable stats.

I am unsure whether it's either very OP or overrated. All the pros use it, and many plebs too. There must be something to it. Personally I would not use it, because I prefer raw stats.

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Well Werewolves were never supposed to be powerful on their own, that is why they require to run in a pack and why they have a passive for being grouped with other Werewolves, where were people getting this strange idea that they were supposed to be powerful solo when passives like that exist?

What are you even talking about? There's a SINGLE Passive that lowers the Ult cost to stay in WW form. That's it. Please explain how that single thing is supposed to imply that WW is "required" to run in groups to be strong? I'm wanting to know where you got the strange idea that a single Passive equates being "required" to be in a WW group to be strong and weak alone.

That ONE Passive doesn't give any unique buffs. It doesn't have any kind of Synergy for a group. It doesn't have any interactions with other WW Skills than the Transformation. It doesn't give any kind of Shields. It doesn't give healing. It doesn't buff any stats. It doesn't debuff the enemy. It literally does NOTHING but lower the Ult drain for every WW in the group up to a certain amount. Which includes the transformed WW itself. Nothing about it, or any other WW Skill for that matter, implies at all that it's only meant to be strong in groups.

Let's not present our opinions as facts to argue for balancing.

@MSattrtand
Cool, now do that parse without a Trial dummy giving you all those buffs and in actual content forcing you to constantly move around, block, CC break, and so on, please. And tell us what other Sets/Mythics you're using instead of one part of the builds you used.

Berserker can ONLY reliably hold form if they a) have something they can consistently Devour during a fight, or b) go into a fight with somewhere around 300-400 Ult minimum so you have time to get enough Fury to proc Rampage. Which makes it pointless to make the form take only 100 Ult to pop when you're just going to get thrown out of the form over and over. They really need to adjust how much the Ult drain costs and it makes 0 sense that they've implemented that to test it imo.

At any rate, I said this in the WW Feedback thread, but we aren't trying to advocate for WW to get buffed or anything. We're worried that it's going to keep getting nerfed over and over to the point where the whole reason for the refresh (which was, big shock, to make it STRONGER) is lost. Other things have gotten big enough nerfs that people are upset. We're worried it's going to happen to WW.

Luneca wrote: »

People are already complaining about a mid set like Serpent's Disdain, and you honestly think it's a good idea to power up Pyreband? It's not happening.

When ZOS nerfs something, they usually don't undo it. It's a good thing I learned a long time ago not to grind hard for gear in this game. I'll just fire siege.

I think it's great idea. Asking for nerfs is weird unless something is grossly uncompetitive like Shattered Paths is making pulse gankers right now. Giving pyrebrand crit would make a mediocre set a little better is all. I've yet to have an encounter in group or 1v1 that makes me think Serpents is a problem.

The people who think Pyrebrand a very strong set at the moment must not even use it. I can tell you, it's not.

More Rakkhat information based upon some recent parses (pureSorc, Sergeant's + Storm Master):

Oakensoul: 126k
Anthelmir: 130k
Rakkhat: 133k

Based upon this, we see that Rakkhat is a measly 5% ahead of Oakensoul formats and 2% ahead of Anthelmir. In other words, the set is currently failing the very basic test of justifying its own existence.

Why would a player ever choose Rakkhat under these conditions? Vs Oakensoul particularly, when Oakensoul gives you:

Infinite sustain (vs. the resource penalty of Rakkhat)
Simple one-bar format
Permanent Empower (vs. the clunky Contingency weaving of Rakkhat)
Minor Slayer
Vastly improved tankiness with tons of defensive buffs

Oakensoul and Anthelmir are completely fine where they are but Rakkhat NEEDS additional help. It is THE Heavy Attack Mythic. Like literally that is the ONLY thing that it does in the game. It even has a "curse" component to it that justifies additional power. So if it is only fractionally better at actually increasing Heavy Attack DPS then it is massively failing at filling its intended niche in the game.

@ZOS_Kevin Is it intended that Rakkhat to be in this weakened position? Are folk aware that it has completely fallen between the cracks during this PTS?

Pinktraining wrote: »

WW players should stop complaining and try playing Pure NB, the worst class in the entire game, and then they will know just how powerful WW really is.

A class that only uses one bar can deal such high damage, and it's not even limited by the light attack cap, yet some people are still advocating for a buff to WW?
WW is already quite balanced; it would be perfect if we just slightly nerfed the unexpected damage buffs from shattered paths.

Please show us who's asking for buffs. None of us are, we're asking for WW not to get heavy-handed nerfs over a handful of specific interactions. How is asking for Mastery Passives to be disabled/decreased in strength for transformed WW asking for a buff? How is asking for Signet to be disabled for transformed WW asking for a buff?

We don't want to be made stronger, we're worried about WW getting nerfed right back into pointlessness before the rework even makes it to Live. People are coming out of the woodwork to decry WW's strength without seeming to consider that YES, it WILL be considerably more powerful than Live! Just like, surprise, DK was after ITS rework! That is the ENTIRE POINT of these reworks!

Sure, tweak numbers here and there, fix broken interactions, don't let the damage get TOO out of hand. But like you said, WW is fine where it is, the average person isn't going to do top tier damage because they're NOT going to be running Sets that work with WW's Skills or doing proper rotation to generate Ukt/Fury correctly/power their Claw Fury correctly. It's a 1bar builds but that doesn't mean average players will get the most out of it. If WW keeps getting nerfed, though, it gets to a point of why bother trying to make it stronger?

Look at everything else they've been nerfing this PTS and tell us with a straight face we don't have valid concerns of ZOS doing too big of a nerf that winds up going Live.