Magicka/Stamina sources are all together underpowered in value. Mage Mundus, Alfiq, Arcane trait, set traits, even Death Dealer's Fete compared to other offensive choice have too low values to compete with Spell Damage, crit and penetration. Even with the Sorc masteries, any magicka you add to your build is an active damage loss.

I have 1.32x magicka scaling and also the 1% spell damage per 1750 magicka, and still any individual max magicka source is vastly inferior compared to any of the aforemention stat instances. Not just offensively, also for your heals of course.

I would like to say I am impressed with the handling of the werewolf markings. This is a very elegant solution for people who don't like having the markings full time, and for the trouble folks were having with activating rampage at the proper time without accidentally dropping werewolf. Good job!

I hope there is no heavy hand with changes to werewolf due to a couple of outlier / specific situations. I hope those outliers are addressed without impacting the overall functionality of werewolf. We still have complaints about certain areas like ulti timer, buffs working properly etc. so I hope we do not go backwards here.

I trust the ZOS team to do a good job though and be thoughtful. You guys are doing great. Thank you for your work!

Please go no further than Static Reverberation for Sorc. This mostly affects specific builds who exploit this to the fullest or dummy parses. But Conservation of Energy and Font of Power already are considerably weaker than first proposed and are needed by a wide variety of Sorc builds, both in pve (tanks and healers) as well as various pvp builds.

Touching this because of a few extremes can't be good. The majority has to be considered before a fringe minority. The values are already overly harsh for most builds. (1750 magicka for 1% of spell damage)

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It does seem like very little of the PVP feedback is being considered based on this post. Some main points that should really be addressed;

• Conservation of Energy Power Level - The healing this skill can provide, especially when approaching 40k HP, is disgusting. It will outheal everything on CMX every single fight. Defensive power creep like this is not healthy for the game and has the potential to lead to a very stale, tank oriented meta. I'd urge caution when introducing things that heal or mitigate excessively, just as much as things that deal too much "free" damage.
• Recursive flame/pyreband - Not even just in the context of dueling, despite that being all we can do to test PVP on the PTS. But this combination is just doing an absurd amount of "free" damage. Please reconsider the recursive flame passive to instead be some kind of %modifier to dots, instead of the current "proc" damage that it is. Again, it is not healthy to encourage so much "free" damage with minimal input.
• Werewolf Power Level - You spent a lot of time in this post addressing all the visuals discussion around WW, but what about the extensive feedback about the power level? Especially in regards to WW benefiting from class mastery passives and being a bit too oppressive with certain ones active. Would be really good to hear if the team is going to consider further adjustments here. The main feedback thread devolved into a mess of back and forth, but there is quite a bit of solid testing that was shared there in regards to this.

Just wanted to follow up here. We do have some changes for all three items listed above coming in Week Three Patch Notes. We are taking a pass at addressing some of the power level feedback from the Werewolf, in addition to some other visual elements. Full notes on Monday, but wanted to give a quick note that we are addressing some of this and will continue to evaluate feedback after the changes made next week as well.

Now back to editing patch notes for me...

Can we please at some point in the very near future address the issues with healer relevance. Quoted comment by React brings up some. The healing bonuses proposed currently benefit more tanks (HP based) and damage dealers (free infinite crux for Arcanist using reaving blows; self major heroism on warden DD for reaving blows). This combined with outsourcing Major Courage to werewolves (the skill should REALLY be changed to minor courage, which would still make them desirable in endgame PvE without displacing healers; change minor courage from pack leader to another buff, like minor berserk or minor protection) leaves very little benefit for score push pve groups to run a designated healer when they can get all of the same benefits from more damage where heal checks are not present.

It would be nice if the bonuses that are *intended* for healers couldn’t proc from champion points (reaving blows, salve of renewal, etc.). It still doesn’t fix the issue of arc healers not having a meaningful way to use crux, but it would at least be a start.

Healers are being sort of left behind in all of these updates, and I’m genuinely afraid of it creating bigger problems that will need to be addressed later down the line for the existence of healers to be relevant in early endgame. They’ve already been regularly dropped from most 4 man simply because the benefit of a healer without specific heal checks doesn’t outweigh an extra damage dealer (and even where some heal checks are present, more damage can simply skip the mechanic in many instances). With damage becoming even more, and important buffs traditionally sourced by healers being sourceable by damage, there is a very real risk that this could become the case in earlier trials as well, displacing healers from the endgame community.

There are thousands of players who prefer to play or exclusively play healers, and it’s probably already the most competitive role for spots in organized groups. While healers in lower levels of pve or less sweaty endgame or late trials in endgame probably won’t be affected (at least not at first), it’s demoralizing to think your potential cap on your role is being lowered, not because you can never be good enough, but because you simply won’t be relevant.

Please don't nerf WW too much, there's a lot of bad actors in here trying to remove all relevancy for werewolves for one reason or another. Please don't take Major Courage away, just give healers more of a reason to exist besides one buff from one set. That's not healthy gameplay either, and don't forget PvE when balancing werewolf due to PvP concerns. We still have no access to Weapon Passives after all.

With that said though, I like what I see here. Thank you so much especially for the adjustments to the glowy markings! This feels like a happy medium that should largely please most people on both sides, those who liked the markings and those who didn't, while also solving the issue of not knowing when Rampage was ready. This is a perfect solution IMO.

And yay blue Pack Leader! This is great for me. Excited to see the other animation changes and the like too.