xylena wrote: »

NxJoeyD wrote: »

For me, looking at someone who nabbed 57 kills looks more like a PUG stomp, not an solid match between high MMR players.

This is 100% correct, these sorts of BGs results prove only that the MMR is broken. I could run up 57 kills on a Hundings/Julianos Necro if my opponents are bad enough.

I'm anticipating the high end meta to be heavy on Sorcs in part because Conservation is the sort of effect that only higher level players are even going to know how to maximize in the first place, nevermind the fact that it specifically rewards high APM gameplay. There will be plenty of strong ranged Sorcs that play like MagSorc but don't build like it's still 2015.

The forum meta really needs an auto reply bot that tells players "sorry please be patient while we rework the entire class system." No wonder they use AI to sort through this crap.

MMR is absolutely broken! This is one reason why when I look at a recap I look at my performance versus the entire field, across both teams. I know MMR will create wholly imbalanced matches and the only ones I really look to reflect on are the ones where at least both sides put up a solid effort and that's where I can look and see whether or not I kept pace with those averages.

I would agree with CoE being something that higher end players are able to maximize. I also think that, in part, that's going to lend heavily to the idea that although we're getting "class" skill refreshes that says nothing about world, or more importantly, weapon skills which will play a big factor here.

Coe is strong but when we say that we see Sorc possibly being on the high end of the meta I think that's going to be driven more by CoE reinforcing non-Sorc skills that have a higher ceiling of potential, more than I think it's going to turn pure-Sorcs that are slotting mostly skills from their own class lines into OP meta machines.

One can have all the sustain in the world from CoE but if they're going up against meta subclassed builds using Flood or Tomb or Wrath or Curse or waiting around for the bonus proc of Frags; then they're likely going to be body meat.

The Devs have created a PvP combat environment that reduces the concept of risk vs reward in combat, and no matter what we do there's inherently going to be that elephant in the room of imbalance possibility, at least until all refreshes are complete.

So for me, when I'm looking at the Sorc passives I'm looking at 3 things mainly: 1) What's the high end potential that current subclassed metas can bring, 2) What does the broad scope of Sorc look like (not just one concentration of Sorc), & 3) How do Sorc class skills compare to similar skills in other classes (either in scaling or mechanic).

When we're seeing Warden+Templar+DK hybrids (this is just one example) hitting high persistent burst + durability; and who's class skills have so many deliverables per cast than anything in the Sorc kit, that's the level of power I'm setting the benchmark at when it comes to the net effect of these Mastery passives.

One of the issues I think we have is that Sorc has such a disparity between the Mag & Stam concentrations plus we've also got the pet vs no pet concentration which really sees the class divided up more than the others and it's more difficult to find Sorc skills that actually synergize as well or carry all the deliverables the current state of PvP demands thanks to sublcassing.