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Re: Should 4v4v4 (3 Teams) Battleground mode become permanent again?
heimdall14_9 wrote: »Man you guys can't do math or whatever. 3v8 is way worse than 3v4 or 7v8. I would rather do a 3v4 than a 3v8, and it is, in fact, possible to win in 3v4 if the 4th enemy is a potato.
Oh! But in 3 teams you can win with 0 kills by running around the map... That's winning by score and playing objective and has nothing to do with pvp skill! I love winning this way it's exhilarating! I don't totally do this so I can get my transmutes as a concession prize for queing into a losing match and getting stomped on!
if you and the other two players put your head in the sand because your out numbered thats on you guys but ive been in many good 3 way fight down a man and had other two standing strong with me to pull out the upset thats a real good match give a really good feeling to be the underdog in a fight and still come out ontop
I don't really care to join unbalanced matches, nor am I going to keep queuing for the hope of some kinda recovery. I give up when it's clear the other 2 are not strong enough to outplay outnumbered. It's not a sin to give up and it's not fun when your team is too weak to participate.
Like I said, I've had some 3v4 where we won, whether our comp and builds just synergized better or what I don't know, it's exciting. Especially knowing that the opposite team had compotent pvp player and it's not just a noob seal clubbing lobby.
Re: Conservation of Energy needs to be adjusted for the health of the game
I know that you dont care that its busted, thats a bit evident
It's busted if you put it like that, but in the grand scheme of things, it isn't that really busted. Here's why:
1) Due to subclassing, sustain on the live server is incredibly easy without needing any sustain set. You mentioned Wretched Vitality and Roksa in your argument:This passive by itself is objectively stronger than running both wretched vitality and max stack roksa together. Max stack roksa + wretched vitality gives 630 magicka and stamina recovery
Most builds don't use those sets together, as it's completely unnecessary. You may occasionally see either Roksa or Wretched on builds with Sugar Skull food, but most people just opt for Orzoga instead so that they can wear another damage set. For example, this is my sustain with Animal Companion/Assassination/Storm Calling:
At this regen, you don't even need Roksa or Wretched lol. Keep in mind, I haven't included Netch, which is another 353 stam or mag recovery. My damage is still fine because I'm wearing 2 offensive sets and stacking 4 damage abilities:
So when looking at the comparison from MY perspective, can you point out if that sustain passive is actually broken or not?
2) Sorc has historically suffered from bar space issues. Traditional wardsorcs cannot fit all 3 of their offensive class abilities together (Curse, Frag, BA) while keeping a spammable because they simply do not have extra slots:
This version is literally using Chudan to free up Major Resolve for a slot.
Even the wardless version still lacks slots for extra skills:
Still requires Chudan here
If you use BA as pseudo spammable, then you can actually drop Chudan, but you wouldn't have a true spammable either:
Bowsorcs isn't that different. Since it uses Crystal Weapon as spammable, it no longer has access to the hard-hitting Crystal Frag morph:
On the melee side, sorcs suffer more from this drawback as you need to stack a lot of damage mitigation and movement buffs to survive in close quarter combat. This means things like Major Evasion, Major Expedition, snare cleanse/immunity, etc. are equally important. These are two sample bar setup of my melee sorc:
The DW version gets Major Evasion and Major Expedition (Quick Cloak), but only has 2 offensive skills (Bfb and BA). The 2H version gets 3 damage skills (Bfb, BA, Curse), but loses Major Evasion and Major Expedition (Quick Cloak). Both versions do not have a snare cleanse/immunity unless they swap to Ball of Lightning or replace it with Race Against Time, but that also means losing a stun.
Meanwhile, you have a subclassed build that not only has access to 4 damage abilities (SA, Merciless, Fissure, Contingency), but also Major Expedition + Minor Evasion + snare cleanse/immunity (Deceptive Predator), and 2 stuns (Off balance from SA, Warden Charm). Did I also mention AoE Major + Minor Breach?
On PTS, Conservation allows me to drop Dark Deal completely and solve the snare cleanse/immunity problem by slotting Race Against Time:
Guess what? It still doesn't match the bar space efficiency of a subclassed build. If I use the DW version, I don't have AoE Breach or 2 extra damage abilities. If I use the 2H version, I do gain full pen, but that depends on landing an ult that can be dodged. I also don't have Major Evasion or an extra burst ability. But you know what? That's fine. Drawbacks are a part of the game, and when you consider the fact that a pure sorc with 2 class masteries still cannot fit every core buffs on to their bar, that's actually pretty damn balanced.
So no, I don't think the sustain is broken. It's NECESSARY and was long overdue for this class.
You put so much time into listing all of this. It's interesting to follow.
What you describe further shows that these class masteries, despite looking strong on paper, are not truly enough.
From various tests I did, I can at best break even with the passive power of a subclasses build. I will have the same damage values but: Far less criticial damage modifiers than Animal Companion + Assassination, so I will still hit for less in actuality. And also I don't have the amazing active abilities and barspace options.
I stand by it that the class masteries are not strong enough and need to be much stronger offensively. This goes for them all. Only Warden impresses me well enough so far, and even then I am uncertain whether it can compensates with its great stats for the subclass burst.
Dracane
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Re: Conservation of Energy needs to be adjusted for the health of the game
I know that you dont care that its busted, thats a bit evident
It's busted if you put it like that, but in the grand scheme of things, it isn't that really busted. Here's why:
1) Due to subclassing, sustain on the live server is incredibly easy without needing any sustain set. You mentioned Wretched Vitality and Roksa in your argument:
This passive by itself is objectively stronger than running both wretched vitality and max stack roksa together. Max stack roksa + wretched vitality gives 630 magicka and stamina recovery
Most builds don't use those sets together, as it's completely unnecessary. You may occasionally see either Roksa or Wretched on builds with Sugar Skull food, but most people just opt for Orzoga instead so that they can wear another damage set. For example, this is my sustain with Animal Companion/Assassination/Storm Calling:
At this regen, you don't even need Roksa or Wretched lol. Keep in mind, I haven't included Netch, which is another 353 stam or mag recovery. My damage is still fine because I'm wearing 2 offensive sets and stacking 4 damage abilities:
So when looking at the comparison from MY perspective, can you point out if that sustain passive is actually broken or not?
2) Sorc has historically suffered from bar space issues. Traditional wardsorcs cannot fit all 3 of their offensive class abilities together (Curse, Frag, BA) while keeping a spammable because they simply do not have extra slots:
This version is literally using Chudan to free up Major Resolve for a slot.
Even the wardless version still lacks slots for extra skills:
Still requires Chudan here
If you use BA as pseudo spammable, then you can actually drop Chudan, but you wouldn't have a true spammable either:
Bowsorcs isn't that different. Since it uses Crystal Weapon as spammable, it no longer has access to the hard-hitting Crystal Frag morph:
On the melee side, sorcs suffer more from this drawback as you need to stack a lot of damage mitigation and movement buffs to survive in close quarter combat. This means things like Major Evasion, Major Expedition, snare cleanse/immunity, etc. are equally important. These are two sample bar setup of my melee sorc:
The DW version gets Major Evasion and Major Expedition (Quick Cloak), but only has 2 offensive skills (Bfb and BA). The 2H version gets 3 damage skills (Bfb, BA, Curse), but loses Major Evasion and Major Expedition (Quick Cloak). Both versions do not have a snare cleanse/immunity unless they swap to Ball of Lightning or replace it with Race Against Time, but that also means losing a stun.
Meanwhile, you have a subclassed build that not only has access to 4 damage abilities (SA, Merciless, Fissure, Contingency), but also Major Expedition + Minor Evasion + snare cleanse/immunity (Deceptive Predator), and 2 stuns (Off balance from SA, Warden Charm). Did I also mention AoE Major + Minor Breach?
On PTS, Conservation allows me to drop Dark Deal completely and solve the snare cleanse/immunity problem by slotting Race Against Time:
Guess what? It still doesn't match the bar space efficiency of a subclassed build. If I use the DW version, I don't have AoE Breach or 2 extra damage abilities. If I use the 2H version, I do gain full pen, but that depends on landing an ult that can be dodged. I also don't have Major Evasion or an extra burst ability. But you know what? That's fine. Drawbacks are a part of the game, and when you consider the fact that a pure sorc with 2 class masteries still cannot fit every core buffs on to their bar, that's actually pretty damn balanced.
So no, I don't think the sustain is broken. It's NECESSARY and was long overdue for this class.
hoangdz
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Re: Request: Crossplay FAQ
Hi All, just wanted to follow up here. I know some folks would like info now, but we are still a bit too early for sharing anything. There is quite a bit that is getting figured out and subject to change. But once we have some core concrete info, we will certainly share more info, long before testing and release of Crossplay. But one thing to reiterate. Crossplay will not be this year. We know that is disappointing, but we need the year to work through a lot of the considerations we need to make for Crossplay.
Note: I am using AI to help me better format and express my thoughts and concerns.
I understand that Crossplay is a massive undertaking, but the "wait and see" approach is exactly what has the community on edge. We aren’t just looking for a release date; we are looking for a seat at the table before the blueprints are finished.
By the time you have "concrete info" to share, it’s usually too late for player feedback to actually change the outcome. We’ve seen time and again that when developers make fundamental changes behind closed doors, players don't just complain—they leave because they had no say. There are massive, game-breaking issues that we need to start talking about now, while things are still being "figured out":
The Trading Economy: Trader Guilds are the backbone of this community. Merging markets isn't just a technical toggle; it’s a total shift that affects years of player effort and the "slots" that people have worked hard to maintain. If you wait until the plan is final to tell us how you're handling the economic merge, the damage to player trust and market stability will already be done.
Competitive Integrity (PC vs. Console): The gap between hardware and input methods makes for an inherently unfair playing field. We need to be part of the discussion on balancing and "opt-out" mechanics before those systems are locked in, or players will move on to games that respect their preferred platform.
Community Retention: Players leave when they feel sidelined. If the "in-depth talks" don't start until right before testing, you’re going to find that the guilds and veterans you’re building this for have already moved on because they felt they were shut out of the process.
The community is already reacting to the news. We want to help you get this right, but that requires transparency and collaboration while these changes are still subject to change—not after the decisions are already made.
Re: Vengeance mode for trials, arena's and trifectas now
spartaxoxo wrote: »We have a version of trials that doesn't require a build. It's called normal.
Nah nah fam see we had ravenwatch, below 50 AND BR, three different flavors of "normal mode". PvE deserves more difficulties including a Vengeance mode for trifecta trials, I want my icey fire cat mount same as you, but I don't have the time to zerg in Vengeance and also make builds for Trials, plus work, and taking care of my Alfiq
Give Us Vengeance in Trials
Re: IC as no pvp zone for quest line
templar_heal wrote: »
IC would be even deader, and, its a rite of passage to go there for the quest and encounter pvp lol for some users as the first time.
Turning this game into a no friction at all anywhere instant gratification sim is a super bad idea. There are users who get frustrated at having to ever deal with people be it pvp or otherwise, but its an mmo. Even for me as an introvert I crave interacting with or being near others in some capacity. Thats the life blood of an mmo.
There are many players that instead of being traumatized by or annoyed by the pvp interaction, are encouraged or motivated by it and look up builds to deal with it and be better at it. Some people, many actually, like adversity and to overcome it.
The game is full of quests and the like, this one single pvp zone which isnt even a part of the main quest having a main story arc unlike cyrodiil which is just a bunch of side quests isn't gonna break anyone.
Re: IC as no pvp zone for quest line
No. It is a PVP zone, and should remain a PVP zone. If unwilling to play it as such, then that is just a part of the game you do not complete.
As it is, it is actually not hard to complete without any real PVP engagement based on how and when you play it (same as Cyro). And if you do die to someone, it really is not a big deal. Just try again to complete what you were doing, and switch to the other instance if you feel someone is camping a particular area.
P.S., the change to porting out with more than 100 tel var was a bad decision by ZOS. Other changes could have been done to prevent porting out while in combat, or the amount could have been higher.
As it is, it is actually not hard to complete without any real PVP engagement based on how and when you play it (same as Cyro). And if you do die to someone, it really is not a big deal. Just try again to complete what you were doing, and switch to the other instance if you feel someone is camping a particular area.
P.S., the change to porting out with more than 100 tel var was a bad decision by ZOS. Other changes could have been done to prevent porting out while in combat, or the amount could have been higher.
Taggund
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Re: Concerns/Potential Solutions to Cross Play/Cross Prog
I highly doubt that they would merge accounts. Brings only problems.
That is a good possibility. How do you think they would deal with someone's account like mine who has played on all three platforms in regard to cross progression?
Re: The Best Faction you might ever choose. Join The Thousand Eyes!
Not trying to kill the cool roleplaying vibe here but I must point out the set only procs on direct crit damage.
So, don't expect it to fire as often as you might think, especially if you're not chasing crit chance on whatever build you're running.
Crit builds are pretty much the most popular for DPS builds. Stacking crit is easy. I foresee a lot of players experimenting with 4pc Highland Sentinel to accommodate builds containing both a mythic and a 2pc Monster Set. May not be meta, sure. But it won't be horrible either.
If nothing else, it can replace the defacto 1pc Crit to replace Slimecraw.
Re: Porting out of IC with tel var limits needs to be removed
Porting out of cyrodiil to ic to play coward needs to be removed
amiiegee
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