I hope this is the right place to talk about skill styles, it felt like the best place to potentially do so of the options on the list. I will say I appreciate the "no weapon override" version of molten and letting players choose, that's awesome to see. I also appreciate trying to give players green skill styles to replace the loss of the old poison morphs but I have two complaints about them overall.
1. While I like the green fire, part of what I liked about the original Noxious Breath was a cool orange/green gradient.
Original Noxious
PTS Green
I am not necessarily asking for this to be changed currently (completely green fire is cool and there is a need for it as a skill style imo), but I would like an offering of the orange/green gradient style in the future (as well as possible other gradients of orange/blue orange/purple or even color combos like blue/purple) for this skill style. It has a lot of potential and one of my dragonknights in character uses flames of various colors in dance and combat and I would like a way to represent that better.
2. I am disappointed that Hearthfire was not considered for a legacy skill style and I would like to see that changed/added. Ash Cloud was a very cool skill that was a big part of my dk healer's identity. I had hoped that with talks of legacy skills for DK we would maybe see a black Hearthfire skill style that could at least give us a little bit of the old look for Ash Cloud and I would very much like for it to be considered in the future if it's not in the scope of this pts.
@Urzigurumash 😂
@Prionyx On a serious note though NB is easily the second/third best pure class. It had one shot potential prior to class masteries, now it has even more crit damage.
They increased the NBs crit damage cap, now even on all impen you will be getting hit like you aren’t wearing any crit resistance
Is this a joke? Have you even read the post? You'd never reach NBs crit damage cap + NB doesn't have any burst or "one shot potential"|, stop complaining about NB if it's just a class you don't like and want it nerfed
You will get to the cap quite easily actually. NB was reaching 100% crit damage easily pre subclassing, reaching the new cap will be easy.
Ele sus 10% crit damage
Warden is getting 20% crit damage buff
Arcanist has 20% crit damage buff
Mora’s scribe thesis 12% etc
Monomyth 20%
Possible 18% crit damage buff from champion points
Minor force 10% crit damage
There are way more sources of crit damage I haven’t even included
You need 180%+ crit damage to reach crit cap in pvp atm, you'll never reach it unless you are doing this intentionally which doesn't make sense because other damage buffs would give you more, you'd never reach crit cap in a normal circumstances, please stop trying to get NB nerfed because you don't like the class
* Minor force - 10%
* Major force - 20%
* Hemorrhage - 10%
* 3x Medium Armor - 6%
* Fighting Finesse - 8%
* Khajiit - 12%
* Class Mastery - 5%
* Shadow Mundus 11-18%
* Backstabber 10%
* Ele sus 10% (players are always spamming it)
* Warden 20%
I am counting 129% + the base 50% = 179%
I didn’t even include sets here. Not to mention 1000 (2000 in PvE) more weapon and spell damage
I am not saying it should be nerfed. I’m just saying it doesn’t need further buffs. 2 tap play styles aren’t fair or fun especially from an ambush type class. But ZOS is buffing thing playstyle and then comes people like you complaining that it’s not enough “buff it more ZOS” come on
How does warden affect pure NB? Or are you talking about group builds? NB is useless there, it's all wardens
Also nobody runs backstabber but just for the sake of it I'll give it a pass. So 159% which is nowhere near crit cap since there is a crit resist in pvp. Why would you include sets if nobody runs crit damage builds? And even if they do it's pointless, there are sets that give damage done% or regular starts higher than crit dmg, they are obviously better
What "2 tap play styles" are you talking about? NB doesn't have any and didn't have since around 2019. Please explain your words or stop trying to get class nerfed simply becasue you don't like it. Even 25% crit dmg and 2500 execute wpd wouldn't help NB to reach DK or sorc, but you somehow say that laughable 5% crit damage will. Animal+restoring+assassination is nowhere near new DK, but they have more crit dmg and OP skills unlike trash shadow and siphoning skill lines, how would 5% crit help?
I don’t know if you have amnesia but we all remember how broken pure NB was before subclassing and this was like 2 years ago not 2019.
You are acting like crit resistance didn’t exist back then, it did, and pure NB was still 2 tapping people, now it can get even more crit damage and 1000 more w/p damage
The fact that you are comparing it to the new DK says a lot. New DK is strong as it should. New warden will be strong as well and so on.
ArctosCethlenn wrote: »You dorks keep bringing up subclassing builds as if that matters for a discussion on the pure class masteries being terrible. Yeah no *** when you combine assassination with animal companion and storm calling its strong, but that isn't pure nightblade. That very explicitly includes a number of damage buffs and passives which pureblade doesn't have access to.@Urzigurumash 😂
@Prionyx On a serious note though NB is easily the second/third best pure class. It had one shot potential prior to class masteries, now it has even more crit damage.
They increased the NBs crit damage cap, now even on all impen you will be getting hit like you aren’t wearing any crit resistance
If NB is one of the best in class, then why do we not see it in PvP?
Because subclassing that’s why. Why do you think every broken subclass build incorporates NB? Because it’s weakest? How can a class with 1 shot potential prior to class masteries be the weakest?
Damage on the NB is fine. My problem with a NB is that it’s squishy
The masteries are supposed to help the pure classes compete with subclassed meta junk in both pve and pvp, and nightblade's masteries are so heavily nerfed in pvp that they do not. Why does a mastery exist which is only 20% effective vs players?
When are we going to hit Font of Power or Wildfire Embers with -80% effect while battle spirit is active?
You all need to remember that the masteries are there to make it worthwhile for a NB to want to keep shadow, and for a non-soulcleaver or non-healer NB, siphoning.
😂 dorks? Why a personal insult? Anyways if you can read you can see I was just answering a question. Why we weren’t seeing pure NB or Pure classes in general.
Damage wise pure NB is 2nd or 3rd.
Survivability wise that’s a different conversation, but it can hide. I don’t know why ZOS don’t just give the class a reliable Major resolve
@Urzigurumash 😂
@Prionyx On a serious note though NB is easily the second/third best pure class. It had one shot potential prior to class masteries, now it has even more crit damage.
They increased the NBs crit damage cap, now even on all impen you will be getting hit like you aren’t wearing any crit resistance
If NB is one of the best in class, then why do we not see it in PvP?
Have you gotten lost in time travel? The bomb assassin from before u46, and the animal assassin from the past year, have been the most popular PVP combinations. If you're really into PVP, how could you miss it?
Insults are not necessary. I enjoy PvP, just not in this game. My NB gets killed by DK and templars and now Arcanist. I am not seeing NB in PvP when I go in. If what you are saying is that people are mixing classes to beat classes, then that is not a NB at all. He was saying pure class. You cannot have a pure class if you are mixing the class with other skills.
I want to remind you that before U46, the Techies Assassin and ganking Assassin builds were consistently popular and powerful. After U46, through its subclasses, the Nightblade skill tree became top in both PvP and PvE.
This change only slightly balances Nightblade's dominance. Furthermore, NB is a class that hasn't been reworked yet, so comparing it to New-Dragon Knight isn't objective.
@Urzigurumash 😂
@Prionyx On a serious note though NB is easily the second/third best pure class. It had one shot potential prior to class masteries, now it has even more crit damage.
They increased the NBs crit damage cap, now even on all impen you will be getting hit like you aren’t wearing any crit resistance
Is this a joke? Have you even read the post? You'd never reach NBs crit damage cap + NB doesn't have any burst or "one shot potential"|, stop complaining about NB if it's just a class you don't like and want it nerfed
You will get to the cap quite easily actually. NB was reaching 100% crit damage easily pre subclassing, reaching the new cap will be easy.
Ele sus 10% crit damage
Warden is getting 20% crit damage buff
Arcanist has 20% crit damage buff
Mora’s scribe thesis 12% etc
Monomyth 20%
Possible 18% crit damage buff from champion points
Minor force 10% crit damage
There are way more sources of crit damage I haven’t even included
You need 180%+ crit damage to reach crit cap in pvp atm, you'll never reach it unless you are doing this intentionally which doesn't make sense because other damage buffs would give you more, you'd never reach crit cap in a normal circumstances, please stop trying to get NB nerfed because you don't like the class
* Minor force - 10%
* Major force - 20%
* Hemorrhage - 10%
* 3x Medium Armor - 6%
* Fighting Finesse - 8%
* Khajiit - 12%
* Class Mastery - 5%
* Shadow Mundus 11-18%
* Backstabber 10%
* Ele sus 10% (players are always spamming it)
* Warden 20%
I am counting 129% + the base 50% = 179%
I didn’t even include sets here. Not to mention 1000 (2000 in PvE) more weapon and spell damage
I am not saying it should be nerfed. I’m just saying it doesn’t need further buffs. 2 tap play styles aren’t fair or fun especially from an ambush type class. But ZOS is buffing the playstyle and then comes people like you complaining that it’s not enough “buff it more ZOS” come on
@Urzigurumash 😂
@Prionyx On a serious note though NB is easily the second/third best pure class. It had one shot potential prior to class masteries, now it has even more crit damage.
They increased the NBs crit damage cap, now even on all impen you will be getting hit like you aren’t wearing any crit resistance
If NB is one of the best in class, then why do we not see it in PvP?
Have you gotten lost in time travel? The bomb assassin from before u46, and the animal assassin from the past year, have been the most popular PVP combinations. If you're really into PVP, how could you miss it?
Insults are not necessary. I enjoy PvP, just not in this game. My NB gets killed by DK and templars and now Arcanist. I am not seeing NB in PvP when I go in. If what you are saying is that people are mixing classes to beat classes, then that is not a NB at all. He was saying pure class. You cannot have a pure class if you are mixing the class with other skills.
I want to remind you that before U46, the Techies Assassin and ganking Assassin builds were consistently popular and powerful. After U46, through its subclasses, the Nightblade skill tree became top in both PvP and PvE.
This change only slightly balances Nightblade's dominance. Furthermore, NB is a class that hasn't been reworked yet, so comparing it to New-Dragon Knight isn't objective.
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