My Entire Friend list, with exception of 2 people, has stopped playing. Many of them did PvP daily.
I don't need any other indicator that ESO is not doing well.

Lucasl402 wrote: »

Most of what ZOS has done since and including U35 has been detrimental to the game. U35 killed the end game PvE community and showed how little ZOS will respond to customer feedback. The 10 year anniversary event was a disaster and the 2025 content was even worse. And vengeance is killing what's left of the PvP community. That leaves only the casual questers who don't sub, rarely buy crowns, and only log on a few times/week if that. ESO can not survive on that.

If everyone at ZOS isn't in crisis mode right now they're even more out of touch than their harshest critics claim they are.

Claiming the population in ESO is just fine is a highly uninformed and biased statement. The statement does not reflect reality.

Yet another thing that was abandoned...

Let's not even pretend that the ones we have make a lot of sense either - the ancestral Akaviri style came from a zone that... never had much to do with the Akaviri in the first place?

I do wish we'd get the other reworks, particularly if Ancestral Redguard took more after the OG Redguard style that they removed from the game because it was too revealing it didn't look enough like modern t-shirts. However, I do not want them to keep the same stupid Treasure Map lead sourcing. Why they're stuffing more and more into Treasure Maps instead of literally anywhere else is beyond me.

Honestly, they should just allow Treasure Map leads to drop from zone chests as well and then a lot of complaints about the lead sourcing system would go away.

Never use them. Throw them away as soon as I get them, they are worthless.

SneaK wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

complaint about what these corrupt thugs are doing,

Thank the ball groups, bombers and consistent Rush of Agony users who have run everyone off. I hope you guys are happy because apparently no one else matters outside of what a ball group thinks.

Yikes

Misplaced aggression at its finest.

I haven't said anything that wasn't true. That goes for the thread as well as anything else I have posted here. If you disagree, tell me where I lied.

The aggression is justified btw. Why? Because after years virtually nothing has changed with Cyrodiil PvP. I'm not going to keep explaining myself or re-inventing the wheel. If they care, then this will get fixed, if it doesn't, I'm not going back to Cyrodiil anyways. That's it. I mean, hah, there are other things I could harp on. Like how bad and how rude certain factions have been.

You know?

For clarity and maybe a little closure on my part (as I'm *trying* to head out for a little vacation soon) I actually went back to Grayhost Cyrodiil the other day. Was there for most of the day actually. Those on the faction I was with were really nice and all, but it was mostly us solos running things there (on that day at least). This was while Vengeance was still up.

Alright so after spending couple hours there, began to notice some patterns. It wasn't all bad ok. But there were a couple things that stood out... very noticeably so.

Lag. The lag was noticeable, yet the game was still playable. All of us had to deal with the lag and occasional drops.

CC Pulls. While normally CC can be frustrating, the pulls were insatiable. I know there's couple sets that cause this, Rush of Agony is one, maybe Dark Convergence is another, maybe more. Remember getting chained from across the room/courtyard frequently. This is something I know alot of people have complained about on here, including myself, but it's really bad. ZOS, I guess I'm not understanding why you continue to allow these 'thugs' to get away with this nonsense.

Alot of Gimmicks and Nonsense. I'm not posting this to vent but I can't help but get absolutely flabbergasted in wild amazement at how quickly any PvP comes to a stop when the Rush of Agony bombers and eventually ball groups come around. One example, no grief, but a good strong example there was a very large tri-faction battle at Ft Arrius and this DC ball group sat there for what seemed to me like well over an hour, 2 hours perhaps, and consistently wiped everyone. They did not die one time. Red got no kills and neither did Gold. PvP just came to a dead stop when they showed up. The kill log looked similar to the Vietnam War Memorial.

A question I have. So, during my time on here, I've had certain people telling me that I'm out of my mind for having an issue with ball groups and bombers, Rush of Agony filth ruining the game for me and the players that I am with. How is what happened on just this particular day alone, how is this ok? How do you look at this situation either as a ZOS Dev, a class rep, a forum poster, or even from a ball group and look and this and say this is normal. There's no counter play; there's nothing anyone can do to stop those guys. Why do you say that I'm not in my right mind for not wanting to have my time wasted.

I've tried for years to get this whole gameplay void fixed. I've done everything I can to bring attention to it. I will be staying with ESO, I'm getting back into PvE among other things in game but not back to Cyrodiil in any serious gameplay capacity until this gets fixed. I'm tired of seeing good people come on here, have a legitimate complaint about what these corrupt thugs are doing, how the Cyrodiil PvP players are getting exploited and just being COMPLETELY IGNORED. I'm sick of it and if ZOS wants to decide to finally care about this then I'll think about going back.

MincMincMinc wrote: »

Artisian0001 wrote: »

xylena wrote: »

edward_frigidhands wrote: »

I am not sure how else to say this but...probably the actual bloody game that we bought.

GH isn't even remotely close to the original product I bought in 2014.

Instakills were rare and generally only against jank builds.

Ball groups could be scattered by siege.

You could 1v1 gank ball groupers inside their ball.

Classes and weapons defined builds, not gear sets.

Soft caps on stats prevented extreme minmaxing from breaking the meta.

Gameplay pace was slower, but fewer fights stalemated.

This is all much more like Vengeance than GH.

Ballgroups are still scattered by siege, literally all the time. A 12 man group can be pushed off a door by 4 people sieging if they do it effectively, which is insane.

You can still very much gank ballgroupers inside their group, it's just difficult, as it should be.

Stalemate fights only happen between extremely large groups over 12 people that res constantly during combat and at camps, which could easily be changed, the only other fights that stalemate are because players are not skilled enough to end fights.

The game progressed and for the better, people that complain about this stuff think an uncoordinated group of people should be able to push off a coordinated group of people which makes zero logical sense, if smaller groups could pressure larger groups, imagine what that smaller group could do if they were larger !!!! Like, none of that make sense. A bigger group of better coordinated players will kill smaller groups of less coordinated players, as well as larger groups of less skill or less coordinated players, there is nothing wrong with that, if it was any way else the game wouldn't make any sense and it would be based solely on RNG.

IDK what ballgroups you are thinking about, but seige is literally a joke. Even I only run 1vX or 4 man groups and we sit in seige all the time. Powercreep and heals are so stupidly high and easy that seige is probably doing half of what it used to.

The problem with the structure of group play in eso pvp is that because zos introduced so many group sets they created an exponential growth of stats the more players you have up to a 12 man group. Whereas back in the day it was practically linear except for a small handful of viable group sets. So as a smallman with good coordination you could potentially match a 12 man group. However with more and more stacking group sets like rallying, PA, Trans, SPC, etc these groups sit ontop of a very high exponential plateau of stats. It is not only set, but skills have bloated to the point any average build can get most necessary major/minor buffs in the game, in a group you should easily have everything. In a dying population game, catering to the largest group size possible and giving them more stats while also having the most population is a recipe for disaster, at that point it would be like giving the largest playground bully a chainsaw.

The plataeu is not a great thing because you essentially gate half the server onto the plateau only fighting each other. Which is why we see ballgroups either just fighting each other or doing boring pug stomp farms unopposed. If you did not have this plateau or less of a plateau we would see more new player involvement because the power difference would be more down to skill and coordination instead of a mountain of stats and buffs. (also just to mention if we did it in a smart enough way you could cut down on lag and unnecessary calcs)

Maybe this can visually help. The blue line represents a linear stacking of players in a group. Imagine if they were all just wearing generic stat sets. Where the green and purple signify a 4 and 12 man group running group sets like rallying cry. Keep in mind that I wrote 30+ as if you actually compare and add up the stats a group set 12 man should have the combined stats of nearly 10x the player count of generic stat sets.

Yeah, this is a common misunderstanding of how the game works or how it feels to actually be under siege pressure, or you are just unaware because smaller groups don't experience this issue, which is fine. If you are in a larger group of people you almost never want to purge or have someone that can cleanse because this would lead to plaguebreak going off and potentially killing everyone, which isn't as big of a problem in smaller groups, and shouldn't be, which is why I prefer smaller groups. The point is, if you are a larger group on a door, oils has a unique debuff that reduces healing by more than any skill in ESO can, aside from some PvE dungeons that have mechanics that will just disable it, or something like carrying the chaosball for an extender period of time. If you are not purging oils because you also have plague on you, the healing debuff, along with the damage from it and the other siege from 3 coordinated siegers, is 100% enough to push good groups off the door, and it happens very often, if you don't understand how 4 people can rotate 8 different siege extremely easily then just get 3 other friends who you think are competent and watch your own group push 12 people off a door.

I agree to your other points, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts, there are sets introduced that make being in coordinated groups even stronger, that's exactly why coordinated groups SHOULD not be dying to other smaller uncoordinated groups often, as that would make no sense unless the coordinated group was full of just unskilled players. While people may dislike these sets, every single person can wear them, every single person can get in or make a group of their own. This is an MMO, playing with friends is normal, if you want to complain about bigger groups winning because they have coordination and skill, then you can go to BGs, or go to IC, or just go duel. Sure, it sucks being pushed by 12 people who have everything they need in their group, but it used to be 24 and sets like transmutation, PA, etc. still existed. Rallying cry also scales better with the fewer people you have, it still has a unique crit resist that can be given to everyone, but the devs have some interest in doing things that have benefits for smaller groups. Plaguebreak, as mentioned before, is another one of these sets. It just so happens that these sets can also be run by those in groups, but will still always function better against them then on them, if those applying can do it properly. Ballgroups have for the most part completely removed a purger from their group just because of the introduction of this set, but you see smaller groups and singular players with sometimes multiple ways to purge. Sometimes you just have to suck it up and accept that these groups will kill you, but to call them immortal like other people do is silly and loses credibility in any conversation.

Cooperharley wrote: »

There absolutely should be a role check. Every game (virtually) minus ESO is able to do this.

Set a minimum HP limit for tanks along with the presence of a taunting ability or its equivalent on their bar. Healer? Same thing. There has to be a minimum of 3 support-based skills on each bar for instance. If you want to run a group with 4 dps or 1 tank 3 dps for instance or less than 4 people, make your group before and then run into the dungeon.

To go along with this, expecting any sort of requirements in experience for a random dungeon queue for veterans regardless isn't going to do anything. You could increase the CP minimum to 1000 and you'd still have the same problems because CP equates more to time played than experience. There are plenty of CP 2000+ players that have never run many of the veteran DLC dungeons. The problem lies with the path from starting the game to getting to the difficult content efficiently/with proficiency. There are no hard lessons learned in the game UNTIL that due to overland scaling and ease. You can be naked and questing with fists and be fine currently. The scaling and horizontal progression of this game is cool until you realize it actually has wide spread negative effects

The increased overland difficulty level will be introduced, but will remain optional. Mandatorily increasing the difficulty level and also raising it in normal dungeons would probably scare away even more players. Unfortunately. Because I think if the base game dungeons were harder, it would help somewhat with the faker problem. And players would be forced to play mechanics even in normal dungeons, avoid aoes, dodge, block... But I don't think that this is going to happen.

Getting called a "corrupt thug" for playing the game using the mechanics and tools provided sure is... telling.