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Re: Concerns About ESO’s Future Direction and Solo Player Experience
I have no issue with solo players. I want them to enjoy and experience the game. However, fundamentally, as Kev said, this is an MMO. If a gross aversion to any group content is something a player experiences, the devs can't really be expected to cater to that. MMOs will always have the scope of content gaps and divides, where some players will experience certain things that a portion of the community won't, and that's okay. That's been how MMOs work since they began. Not every EQ player got their ultimate weapon. Not every WoW player cleared Mythyic+. That's part of how MMOs function, and that's okay.
Skjaldbjorn
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Re: Concerns About ESO’s Future Direction and Solo Player Experience
BagOfBadgers wrote: »The difficulty for a “solo” solo player is somewhere between a soloing a Harrowstorm, where you can take a DPS and slot a self heal and a soloing a Dragon, where a self heal, purge and building tanky are needed.
For a player that doesn't want to group but is happy to run with zerg, self heal is the only real change.
Yes the Night Market is hard soloing/running with a small zerg but no more difficult than than a DLC trial, in my opinion.
I have never understood the mentality of not changing a Toon to suit where and what role. I wouldn't take my DPS in to PvP and expect to do well, likewise a Tank/Healer to DPS.
Yes the NM is hard and it's good that it is. It's very popular, going by my friends and guilds, as the list shows well over 75% in the NM, with many more players online.
I've said it before but the main problems are that some vocal players expectations didn't match the reality of the toughness and the need to actually, for once, do mechs!
If the NM is not for you, that's a shame, as it's great to work together and help others achieve things that seemed out of reach before. There are many people that are doing tough content for the 1st time and finding it's not as bad as they were told and small build changes make a massive difference to their enjoyment.
I don't do housing, RP, fashion and the like but I don't come to the forum bashing ZOS and players for using and enjoying it, that seems a bit petty to me, but each to their own, I guess.
exactly this, very well said. if nm was easy and the bosses felt like delve bosses, no one would be able to get even a light attack in. the great thing about mmos is that there is so much to do and there is something for everyone! if you dont like the current thing they release, just wait a bit. take a break. no need to make yourself suffer through something you dont like.
Re: Zos, we need an explanation
ItsNotLiving wrote: »They should give nightblade and templar players their own server so they can be competitive somewhere.
Necromancer too. These three classes are STRUGGLING
Necromacer has very strong class masteries and will be ranking ahead of nightblade and templar by a pretty good margin in PvE and especially PvP.
Re: Concerns About ESO’s Future Direction and Solo Player Experience
Point 1THIS IS ESO
Go anywhere, do anything, and play your way in The Elder Scrolls Online, the award-winning online RPG set in the Elder Scrolls universe.
Point 2
So… are solo players excluded?
✔ From the core gameplay loop? Yes. The entire progression loop — bosses → keys → Gilded → Ordeal — is group‑only.
✔ From the rewards? Yes, indirectly. You can earn Favor solo, but at a tiny fraction of the speed and with massive difficulty spikes.
✔ From the intended experience? Absolutely. The zone is literally described as a “group‑focused PvE world”
The uncomfortable truth
ESO has always had:
- normal dungeons
- normal trials
- normal arenas
- normal world bosses
- normal story content
- Night Market breaks that 10‑year rule.
There is no normal mode.
No scaling.
No solo‑friendly version.
No alternative path.
If you don’t group, you simply cannot participate in the main loop.
This is why so many players, especially casuals, solo mains, and accessibility‑focused players, feel pushed out.
yes: solo players are excluded
So how do these two things fit together?
They don’t. It’s like saying: You can play your way…except here, where you must play our way.
Night Market is the first time ESO has:
- no normal mode
- no solo‑friendly version
- no scaling
- no alternative path
- no accessibility options
- no “play your way” philosophy
It’s a hardcore‑only event zone inside a game that advertises freedom.
4. Why this contradiction exists
Because: Marketing wants ESO to stay “play your way” They can’t change the slogan. It’s the identity of the franchise.
IT'S WRONG!
Let me ask you something.
Are Normal Trials solo friendly?
Oh they aren't? Hmmmm.......
How is Night Market any different? Its the same difficulty level (literally, the mob health and damage is scaled the same).
"Play how you want" is not an excuse to say that every single piece of content must be tuned for the lowest common denominator player. "Play how you want" instead means that there should be something for every type of player. And guess what? There still is. Nothing was taken away with the addition of the NM. They gave something to group players (so that group players have more options to play how they want).
When they add solo dungeons later this year, does that mean they're pushing group players out of the game? What about when they have an entire update dedicated to a solo quest line?
If a live service game adding a single piece of FREE content that you don't jive with upsets you this much, you need to take a look in the mirror.
Re: [Bug] 'Fractured Facets' Achievement - Faceted Foes may have stopped spawning in Night Market
+1 for this bug report.
I saw two in the first hour of night market, and a friend got the achievement the day after, but that is it. Nobody I know has seen or killed one since day 2 of night market. I have spent many hours in the Night Market and currently sit at over 12,500 favour collected. This is certainly a bug that needs to be fixed.
I saw two in the first hour of night market, and a friend got the achievement the day after, but that is it. Nobody I know has seen or killed one since day 2 of night market. I have spent many hours in the Night Market and currently sit at over 12,500 favour collected. This is certainly a bug that needs to be fixed.
Re: Why isn't there a normal Night Market mode?
Because the Night Market IS "Normal Mode". It is balanced around the same difficulty as a normal trial. You can PUG it, just like a normal trial. If it were balanced like a Vet Trial, you would not be able to do so.
What you're asking is why there's no solo Night Market, and the answer is the same reason there are no Solo Trials; because it's group content.
What you're asking is why there's no solo Night Market, and the answer is the same reason there are no Solo Trials; because it's group content.
Re: Concerns About ESO’s Future Direction and Solo Player Experience
- Does ZoS have plans to turn ESO into something like a Dark Souls-style game?
- Do they have any plan to push solo players out of the game?
Admittedly, I only looked at page 1, but... Anyone else insta-thought: "wait...Dark Souls is the most solo game ever"?
I don't mean to be disrespectful but the way you've put it can sound incongruent to some.
SkaiFaith
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Re: Concerns About ESO’s Future Direction and Solo Player Experience
Point 1
Point 2
So… are solo players excluded?
✔ From the core gameplay loop? Yes. The entire progression loop — bosses → keys → Gilded → Ordeal — is group‑only.
✔ From the rewards? Yes, indirectly. You can earn Favor solo, but at a tiny fraction of the speed and with massive difficulty spikes.
✔ From the intended experience? Absolutely. The zone is literally described as a “group‑focused PvE world”
The uncomfortable truth
ESO has always had:
There is no normal mode.
No scaling.
No solo‑friendly version.
No alternative path.
If you don’t group, you simply cannot participate in the main loop.
This is why so many players, especially casuals, solo mains, and accessibility‑focused players, feel pushed out.
yes: solo players are excluded
So how do these two things fit together?
They don’t. It’s like saying: You can play your way…except here, where you must play our way.
Night Market is the first time ESO has:
It’s a hardcore‑only event zone inside a game that advertises freedom.
4. Why this contradiction exists
Because: Marketing wants ESO to stay “play your way” They can’t change the slogan. It’s the identity of the franchise.
IT'S WRONG!
THIS IS ESO
Go anywhere, do anything, and play your way in The Elder Scrolls Online, the award-winning online RPG set in the Elder Scrolls universe.
Go anywhere, do anything, and play your way in The Elder Scrolls Online, the award-winning online RPG set in the Elder Scrolls universe.
Point 2
So… are solo players excluded?
✔ From the core gameplay loop? Yes. The entire progression loop — bosses → keys → Gilded → Ordeal — is group‑only.
✔ From the rewards? Yes, indirectly. You can earn Favor solo, but at a tiny fraction of the speed and with massive difficulty spikes.
✔ From the intended experience? Absolutely. The zone is literally described as a “group‑focused PvE world”
The uncomfortable truth
ESO has always had:
- normal dungeons
- normal trials
- normal arenas
- normal world bosses
- normal story content
- Night Market breaks that 10‑year rule.
There is no normal mode.
No scaling.
No solo‑friendly version.
No alternative path.
If you don’t group, you simply cannot participate in the main loop.
This is why so many players, especially casuals, solo mains, and accessibility‑focused players, feel pushed out.
yes: solo players are excluded
So how do these two things fit together?
They don’t. It’s like saying: You can play your way…except here, where you must play our way.
Night Market is the first time ESO has:
- no normal mode
- no solo‑friendly version
- no scaling
- no alternative path
- no accessibility options
- no “play your way” philosophy
It’s a hardcore‑only event zone inside a game that advertises freedom.
4. Why this contradiction exists
Because: Marketing wants ESO to stay “play your way” They can’t change the slogan. It’s the identity of the franchise.
IT'S WRONG!
Athory
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Re: Concerns About ESO’s Future Direction and Solo Player Experience
The difficulty for a “solo” solo player is somewhere between a soloing a Harrowstorm, where you can take a DPS and slot a self heal and a soloing a Dragon, where a self heal, purge and building tanky are needed.
For a player that doesn't want to group but is happy to run with zerg, self heal is the only real change.
Yes the Night Market is hard soloing/running with a small zerg but no more difficult than than a DLC trial, in my opinion.
I have never understood the mentality of not changing a Toon to suit where and what role. I wouldn't take my DPS in to PvP and expect to do well, likewise a Tank/Healer to DPS.
Yes the NM is hard and it's good that it is. It's very popular, going by my friends and guilds, as the list shows well over 75% in the NM, with many more players online.
I've said it before but the main problems are that some vocal players expectations didn't match the reality of the toughness and the need to actually, for once, do mechs!
If the NM is not for you, that's a shame, as it's great to work together and help others achieve things that seemed out of reach before. There are many people that are doing tough content for the 1st time and finding it's not as bad as they were told and small build changes make a massive difference to their enjoyment.
I don't do housing, RP, fashion and the like but I don't come to the forum bashing ZOS and players for using and enjoying it, that seems a bit petty to me, but each to their own, I guess.
For a player that doesn't want to group but is happy to run with zerg, self heal is the only real change.
Yes the Night Market is hard soloing/running with a small zerg but no more difficult than than a DLC trial, in my opinion.
I have never understood the mentality of not changing a Toon to suit where and what role. I wouldn't take my DPS in to PvP and expect to do well, likewise a Tank/Healer to DPS.
Yes the NM is hard and it's good that it is. It's very popular, going by my friends and guilds, as the list shows well over 75% in the NM, with many more players online.
I've said it before but the main problems are that some vocal players expectations didn't match the reality of the toughness and the need to actually, for once, do mechs!
If the NM is not for you, that's a shame, as it's great to work together and help others achieve things that seemed out of reach before. There are many people that are doing tough content for the 1st time and finding it's not as bad as they were told and small build changes make a massive difference to their enjoyment.
I don't do housing, RP, fashion and the like but I don't come to the forum bashing ZOS and players for using and enjoying it, that seems a bit petty to me, but each to their own, I guess.
Re: Concerns About ESO’s Future Direction and Solo Player Experience
Nemesis7884 wrote: »All these arguments about the [snip] market shouldn’t even exist.
- ZOS could simply add a normal mode as well, and the entire problem would be solved.
Of course, people would still find reasons to complain about the [snip] market, that’s normal.
But making it Hardcore-only for every single player is 100% wrong.
Why is this so hard to understand? ESO has always had a normal mode.
Why is that suddenly impossible?
No one is “against ZOS” for adding a Hardcore mode. Does anyone understand this point?
Players like me are against ZoS for removing the normal mode.
- I personally don’t like games with this level of difficulty. I simply don’t enjoy them.
- You love it? Great. Enjoy it.
But respect both sides. I respect yours, you should respect mine. It’s not complicated.
You love Hardcore? Perfect. You can enjoy the Market.
But why can’t I enjoy the Market too in a normal, solo-friendly experience, the same way ESO has always allowed?
- I don’t force anyone to play normal mode or help casual players in normal trials.
- So why are you "forcing me" to go play in Hardcore?
How is this even a real argument?
You don’t like normal trials? Fine — go Vet, go Vet HM, avoid casual groups. All good.
I don’t like the [snip] market being Hardcore-only.
What alternative do I have to enjoy the event?
Does anyone understand this?
How can you not?
Again:
If NO ONE, not even ZOS, forces Hardcore players to go help in normal trials…
Why are you (and ZOS) forcing normal casual/solo players to go play in Hard Mode? Just why?
I really, really understand all your points about “new group content, hardcore welcome, blah blah.”
It’s all 100% fine. I have absolutely no problem with that.
But....
Why do casual/normal/solo players have to go THAT hard? Why are we being pushed into difficulty we never asked for?
Why??
What on earth are you not understanding about this point?!
nobody is pushing you into anything you dont want - the night market was from the beginning laid out as a harder group zone and not as a solo content
ZOS: "Explore the Night Market:
Pledge to one of three factions and discover a world brimming with mystery and danger in ESO's first ever event zone. Encounter new characters, quests, and rewards in this challenging group-focused PvE world."
... challenging...group focused...
Did you really read everything I said? Read it again.
Did you misunderstand something?
What exactly are you trying to argue here?
that the night market was ALWAYS advertised as a group zone - never anything but so to complain that its not solo friendly make no sense - thats like complaining that trials arent solo friendly...
and sorry but the night markets overland content is also faaaaar away from "hardcore" ... the bosses are way easier than vet hardcore dungeons and bosses...if you have a 12 men group you will go through all of those bosses except a very few or the skirmishes like a hot knife through butter...
this on top of the fact that the nr one complain of eso players was the lack of difficulty in overland why we get an additional difficulty mode...
And on the solo content - again - enough solo content will release this year and we never got solo content in q1 also in the past...
