Above and Beyond: Increased this passive’s bonus to Critical Damage and Healing Done to 25%, reducing to 5% against targets with Battle Spirit, rather than granting 15%, reduced to 7% against targets with Battle Spirit. Increased the Critical Damage and Healing maximum to 35%, up from 25%.
Eye for Exploitation: Increased this passive’s maximum Weapon and Spell Damage to 2500, up from 1250, and damage reduction to 20%, up from 12%. Both values are halved against targets with Battle Spirit.

This is absurd and these changes makes no sence whatsoever. Last PTS week NB was the worst PVP class BY FAR, even worse than arcanist. Everything in NB's toolkit is bad excluding mobility, but you decided to nerf them.

NB's survivability: worst survavbility among all classes. Should I even explain why class that only relies on burst heal and vigor is worse than everyone else? Only class HOT NB has access to is path, which is small, restrists your movement(and NB has to relay on movement in order to survive), doesn't really heal much and is too expansive. Compare it to templar where most of your skills heal you and your healing abilities are not that expansive. Compare it to immortal DKs... Compare it to anyone else. Every other class has access to good survivability skills but since you've nerfed dark cloak into the ground NB doesn't.

NB's damage. Worst burst among all classes and worst pressure. People keep complaining about NB's damage without ever going deeper to realize how weak NB's burst is. I'll explain why NB's burst is horrible with math, I'll give you some examples on how other pure classes combo would look like:

DK's burst:





Let's calculate: without multiple %damage done DK passives full DK's burst skills total tooltip is... 43 299 damage

Warden's burst:




Total tooltip is 31 852+(realistically more depending on your HP)

Necro's burst:




Total tooltip is 31 852+(realistically more depending on your HP)

These are just few examples. Templar's and sorc's(arcanist's burst is terrible tho, but it's a full pressure class and isn't realy made for pvp anyway) burst are also good but I'll not add them there to keep this post a bit more compressed. Not let's take a look on NB's burst





Total tooltip is 21 349(realistically more because of 20% that will buff surprise, but even this way it will still be 50% of DK's burst.

Of course these are VERY rough estimates and they don't include a lot of buffs and class passives that would change actual numbers, but if anything they wouldn't change anything in NB's favor(excluding necro). Why didn't I take incap+merciless "combo" into consideration? Because anyone who have played PVP for at least a few weeks will always dodge merciless. It's not guaranteed, predictable and there is too much time to react. Back in the day I thought it may take some reaction, but in reality it doesn't. Found it out in a few funny ways: I tried playing PC NA for a bit where I have 300 ping and I dodged every single merciless after incap, didn't get hit a single time. But that's nothing, once I logged to duel my friend when I came back after my other friend's birthday where we had a drinking game that didn't go well for me, I guess at this point I had 1000+ ping inside my head but I still dodged all of the bow procs. It doesn't take reaction or skill to dodge it at all. But even if I would take it into consideration incap+merciless still deals less damage than db+bb+bfb, let alone DK's combo.

Why do people complain about NB's damage? It's simple, they see 15k merciless in death recap and think "damn' that's a lot! my blastbones deals 3k less damage, NB's damage is crazy!" without ever realizing that their total burst combo damage far exeeds anything NB can do.

Now onto pressure, it's just bad. NB doesn't have any good pressure tools. No dots and no good hard CC. NB is completely countered by current block meta, the only way NB can bypass block is by using hysteria, but it deals no damage and doesn't guarantee any damage skills, not even a spammable. Pressure is needed to drain enemy's resources but hysteria is so expensive that you'll just end up draining your resoureses instead

Sustain is mediocare. Skills are too expansive and all of your sustain comes from 1 passive, siphoning attacks and path's minor regens. 15% recovery passive is good but it's nowhere near enough to compensate expansive skills, path is soo expansive that it takes more magicka than it gives and siphoning doesn't recover as much as it did before, there are rare circumstances where you can just spamm it to get resources but most of the times you can't, if you press it a few times you'll just have to press your expansive healing skills again and you'll not win much. Your enemy will tho because they are pressing cheap offensive skills while you're pressing expensive defensive skills. It's not NB's worst part, but if sustain isn't good shouldn't at least other important things be good...?

NB's mobility is good, no complaints. Shadow image is the best mobility skill in the game. But mobility is the least important thing out of these 4 and obviously it's not enough to make class strong.

Now after you read this please answer my qeustion, why did you nerf passives that were weak as is? What is the reason for NB nerfs? It's by far the worst class in the game at this point, and even if you just remove battle spirit penalties and pure NB can keep 25% crit and up to 2500wpd execute passive NB still will not match DKs or sorcs, but somehow you thought that 5% crit will(and yeah, it's just 5% crit, maximum crit damage doesn't change anything because you'll never reach crit cap in pvp). What is the reason for these battle spirit penalties? Please remove penalties completely and don't make NB mains quit until NB's rework, because if you don't there will be just 2 options for people who want to play NB: just don't or quit ESO.

Please, PLEASE don't change "if battle spirit is active" numbers, just remove this abdurd condition from NB's mastery. It's a good way to balance things, for example if arcanist could keep 30% damage passive everyone would just play 40k HP arcanist bashers, but NB doesn't need these penalties at all.

Having my NA chars on the test server is great. When they're wiped it's a drag. Setting up chars from scratch is tedious. And, as others have mentioned a live account can have a great many things that can't be obtained on the test server.
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Tannus15 wrote: »

The elephant in the room - Shattered Paths Signet

Shattered paths signet is a really cool mythic, with a serious downside that if you use your ult with it you lose a heap of damage.

Unless you're using overload.

This is a really cool interaction, where you can switch on and off overload to keep your ult above 170, keeping the full damage from the mythic.

in this parse, I start with 500 ult, burn to 175, disable overload until the last 20% and then use it in execute.



I get to use 702 ult over the parse while still getting the full benefit of shattered signet.




There are a couple of issues with this parse though compared to content.
The first is that I start with 500 ult. In almost no trials in the game, should you be starting a boss fight with 500 ult. If you're doing that then you're not using your ults on trash.
Secondly you get a burst of dps at the start, but you get it at a time when you're likely going to be getting ult gen from a set like pillagers. Overload stops ult gen, so you miss out on some of the more significant support buffs.
Thirdly sorcs have Atro, which in most groups is there for major berserk. In fact, they really really want atro right at the start for their main ult burn. What no one wants at that time is a selfish sorc using all their ult on an overload opening after they just banked it all though all the trash pulls so they can have bigga numba on the boss.

My point is that using overload in trials like we do on the dummy is incredibly selfish and not good for group content.

Finally, compare the signet parse to a warmask parse where i use overload to start the parse, then drop an atro at 185 ult and then reenable overload for the last 10%




it's a big dps drop. This is more representative of what you can expect in actual content.

I bet you they use this as evidence to prevent Overload with interacting with this mythic, because every time Overload has/could have an interesting interaction with a set, it gets prevented from doing so.

Evidence: Rakkaht's Voidmantle & sets that proc based off casting your ultimate.

Overload - the ultimate that is an ultimate, light, & heavy attack, but also neither of the three for the sake of balance

Burtan wrote: »

ItsNotLiving wrote: »

Also just to add that 2 of your points are pure class specific so if you have an issue with a pure warden and it’s masteries that’s a separate issue.
Maarselok monster helm requires you to lose a mythic to make sure Serpents disdain is double barred so it isn’t a very common interaction and when it is losing a mythic is a very large sacrifice to make.
Force of nature grants you at MAX 3,960 penetration (which requires all 6 damage types) which is just a hair more than double maces or wearing 3 light armor pieces and requires you to drop a better blue CP slot.
Incoming mythic is already nerfed through battlespirit.

The incoming mythic still provides 85% dmg increase on status effects. Builds with serpent's disdain are already too strong before this becomes a factor.

Maarselok, Force of nature and other things themselves are not an issue as i said, serpent's disdain ties things like this together into incredibly low skill, high power "cheese" specs.

Serpent's Disdain is currently both a top duel set, 1vX set and Xv1 set on PC EU.

Again, it does more than multiple sets put together right now.

I have put a lot of hours on u49 in PvP and have never seen a single person use this set outside of dueling in Wayrest. Comparing this to actual top meta sets is insane. Just compare this to rallying cry, wretched, rush of agony, farstrider, twice fang, shattered fate, gorethief, essence thief, or even dark convergence. (All of these can be one barred and run with a monster helm another 5 piece a mythic and a heavy trainee chest, something you cannot do when wearing serpents.) This set is nowhere near as good as you think it is.

katorga wrote: »

I have a feeling based on past pvp changes related to corpse mechanics, that it is a performance killer.

If that were the case they'd have made the heal version of the passive PvE only as well