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Re: NB - Masteries (PVP)
Yeah, the Nightblade Passives are probably the worse. A 5% bonus to crit damage? You can subclass out any line other than assassination for aedric spear or animal companions and see a 10-15% bonus to crit damage. The increase in the crit cap is not going to see any benefit in any scenario other than a khajiit gank build with axes and in medium armor with order's wrath and back-alley gourmand. Here's a list of all crit damage buffs you need to have in order to see the max benefit. Feel free to add any that I missed.
- Minor force - 10%
- Major force - 20%
- 2x Axes - 12%
- Hemorrhage - 10%
- 7x Medium Armor - 14%
- Fighting Finesse - 8%
- Khajiit - 12%
- Class Mastery - 5%
- Order's Wrath - 8%
- Back-Alley Gourmand - 13%
75% is the current crit damage cap. 110% is the crit damage cap with the class passive. Having everything listed above will put you at 112% crit damage, so only 2% is going to get wasted. While it may sound nice to have that much crit damage, you're going to have near 0 survivability and 0 pen outside major breach and maybe minor breach if you go with surprise attack over concealed weapon. Now here's a list on what an average brawl build would look like.
- Minor force - 10%
- Major force - 20%
- Hemorrhage - 10%
- 3x Medium Armor - 6%
- Fighting Finesse - 8%
- Khajiit - 12%
- Class Mastery - 5%
That brings you to 71% crit damage. You could swap out your offensive set for Back-Alley Gourmand, but would it be worth losing the proc damage from null arca or tarnished nightmare? Not to mention, you have to live with Shadow and Siphoning. Your only damage is SA spam with incap into spec bow. You can easily do the Assassination/Animal Companions/Storm Calling setup and get to the 75% crit damage cap while having a delayed burst skill, a cleanse, much better maneuverability, and arguably more weapon damage compared to the other NB passive which is what I want to get into next.
Eye for Exploitation received a minor nerf, but it doesn't matter since the passive is still not going to see any real benefit. A lot from what I've seen on PTS is that every class has enough healing to keep them at full HP, meaning the scaling weapon damage from this passive is really not going to do anything other than buff your healing from the high damage the other classes, along with werewolf, will be getting.
I was hoping for NBs to see a buff to their passives, but it looks like they only got a buff on the PvE side. They needed a buff there, yes, but NBs are looking to be one of if not the worst class in PvP if you don't want to be a ganker. Even if you want to be a ganker, there are better options with subclassing. I don't see force pulse ganking being outdone by the crit damage cap increase pure nightblades will be getting. Meanwhile, all other classes are receiving buffs to their passives.
Not disagreeing or anything, but you missed those:
Shadow Mundus 11-18%
Backstabber 10%
Vaqual
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Re: Theorising on how to improve Sorcerer Masteries
Elendildur wrote: »Conservation of Energy
This seems to be ok in PvE, but overtuned in PvP, so remove the sustain while Battle Spirit is active.
Anything else would need changes to Blood Magic, which is unlikely to happen before the Sorcerer refresh
Nah, keep the sustain but nerf the healing. I don't want to slot Dark Deal again, no thanks. Literally the most dated skill in the game in a fast paced meta, taking up a whole bar slot and making bar space so difficult to deal with.
hoangdz
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Re: Conservation of Energy needs to be adjusted for the health of the game
Agree that Conservation should not be affected by Max HP in any way whatsoever. Mechanics that reward players for stacking HP need to be confined to the context of PvE tanking.
xylena
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Re: You've nerfed the worst class in this PTS
They increased the NBs crit damage cap, now even on all impen you will be getting hit like you aren’t wearing any crit resistance
By default, everyone has these:
- Base = 20% crit resist.
- At least 5x impen = 10% crit resist.
- Rallying Cry = 17~21% avg next patch.
- Possibly CP = 10% crit resist.
That's 30% guaranteed, 50% very likely, 60% if you're in CP.
Since the cap is not a hard cap and you can build beyond 125% critical damage, the new effective cap due to enemy resistances is actually between 155% ~ 185%, you won't take that much damage, but thats what a NB can build to without worrying about lost stats. There isn't a single build that will or can reach an additional 35% higher than this, and the new Mastery's 5% in PvP certainly doesn't help.
And look, I don't really care about NB as a Sorc main, I have no leg in this race, but I care about all class balance as a whole. An entire Mastery devoted to what amounts to only 5% crit damage/healing is abysmal, a gigantic oversight, and a waste of potential that I hope doesn't bleed to other classes.
I can only assume ZOS thinks this Mastery is great in PvP because they also don't understand the context in which it's used in and how critical resistance works. Shocker after the PvP stream we all like to reference.
Re: Conservation of Energy needs to be adjusted for the health of the game
Agreed, this passive is too much for pvp.
Sorc's Conservation of Energy is essentially a better Pound of Flesh Necro got but instead of having a base 10% chance to proc it is guaranteed to proc every second, heal for at least as much as Pound of Flesh if not more and also give Sorc close to infinite sustain.
This is way too much. There needs to be a cap put on both the sustain and healing with battle spirit active. Imo easiest way to go would be to cut the sustain and healing in half with battle spirit active and even then this passive would be insanely good.
Eh, I would rather them keep the sustain. Sorc has bar space issues so having this sustain allows it to drop Dark Deal, which is infinitely better overall for the class.
hoangdz
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Re: You've nerfed the worst class in this PTS
They need to expand the diversity of playstyles for NB. They could do this through Mastery buffs. But as long as the class is designed solely around burst crit stacking, it will only ever be busted op or useless garbage, similar to how max mag stacking on MagSorcs is always broken.
xylena
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Re: NB - Masteries (PVP)
Do we all have amnesia? Pure NB has 1/2 shot potential. For a long time I has had it, even before subclassing.
Now it has even more crit damage and execute scaling class mastery that gives it 1000 weapon and spell damage.
Just watch how strong NB will be when it goes live
Now it has even more crit damage and execute scaling class mastery that gives it 1000 weapon and spell damage.
Just watch how strong NB will be when it goes live
Kleoxcv
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Re: We rise, Sorc mains!
We have entered a weird timeline were the Sorc rework might end up being a net nerf for pure Sorc PvP after setting the bar so high in U50.
Vaqual
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Re: The Silence On Antiquity Leads Is Defeaning!
There's a thread on PTS about where the leads drop for the newly added station(U50), and currently 3 or 4 out of the 5 required leads for station drop from Thieves' Trove in Glenumbra. Now imagine how many spawn locations are in Glenumbra and how often spawn, and what this will look like on the live server once people start farming that—not to mention the "great" drop rates...
Thoriorz
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Re: Conservation of Energy needs to be adjusted for the health of the game
Agreed, this passive is too much for pvp.
Sorc's Conservation of Energy is essentially a better Pound of Flesh Necro got but instead of having a base 10% chance to proc it is guaranteed to proc every second, heal for at least as much as Pound of Flesh if not more and also give Sorc close to infinite sustain.
This is way too much. There needs to be a cap put on both the sustain and healing with battle spirit active. Imo easiest way to go would be to cut the sustain and healing in half with battle spirit active and even then this passive would be insanely good.
Eh, I would rather them keep the sustain. Sorc has bar space issues so having this sustain allows it to drop Dark Deal, which is infinitely better overall for the class.
Currently sorc has such an insanely good sustain with this passive that none of the other sustain class masteries even come close. Warden restores 125 Magicka and Stamina with its sustain perk for example meanwhile Sorc restores 800 on one stat + 300 on another. Granted warden's is more of a support passive but this level of difference is a bit unfair.
Dk and Sorc shouldnt be this privileged when it comes to healing and sustain
acanca
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