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Re: Sorc nerfs are too heavy handed
so this is what the full cheese build is looking like on sorc now
previously
I agree in principle with the nerfs as made, just the monolith of storms is too much. the weapon spell damage is way more important that the proc condition, it would be better at 150 per pylon in my opinon.
in actual content the monolith proc tends to no do anything.
We warned this would happen when you took the 225k parses at face value, instead of understanding the mechanics of what is going on.
here is the smae build without signet
it's garbage
here is another version using the atro instead of only overload
here is a 1 pet build
You have taken the most exciting thing to happen to sorcs in ages and destroyed it because some guys who just enjoy doing dummy things posted some big numbers and you freaked out.
The dummy is no the game. The 225k parses do not translate, we told you they don't translate, and you destroyed sorc because of them.
@ZOS_Kevin
Please, I'm begging you, have a conversation with people who actually play sorc in PvE.
These parses help point out that pet builds on pure class Sorc aren't as OP as people say they are. Though I'd have been curious to see a 2 pet build with Daedric Prey to see how it compares
Re: Sorc nerfs are too heavy handed
I wonder, could the set be updated so that you are considered as a Monolith while wearing the set, so you can at least get some consistent damage from it?
Re: We rise, Sorc mains!
We have entered a weird timeline were the Sorc rework might end up being a net nerf for pure Sorc PvP after setting the bar so high in U50.
Nothing can be worse than 80% of the kit being useless. We're regulated to a handful of skills of which you can get half of through subclassing. I'll take upcoming nerfs with open arms to have a better designed class from top to bottom.
Re: Update 50 Antiquity Leads Sources
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ONLY in Glenumbra, I guess you could read that patch note as:
"5 new furnishings can be earned [...] in Glenumbra," – meaning the furnishings are from Glenumbra, but the Leads are not necessarily. Or something like that.
Versus my understanding of it, "5 new furnishings can be earned from Antiquity Leads in Glenumbra..." – meaning the Leads should definitely be in Glenumbra.
I could be misremembering, but they haven't been THAT mysterious about Lead locations in past notes. If there were multiple zones to find something, they'd say so, e.g., "in Glenumbra and Hew's Bane".
I guess it's worth asking for clarity, although I kinda doubt anyone would answer us:
@ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_JessicaFolsom – would it be possible to confirm if Glenumbra is the ONLY zone these leads drop in?
Anyway,
Yes, if there are really that many things hidden ONLY in Thieves Troves, ONLY in Glenumbra, it will indeed be an awful mess on Live. A repeat of that mythic lead in safeboxes, no doubt. (I'm so glad I wasn't playing then; I got it later – and IIRC the odds on that were even improved. But how frustrating for players who choose to play and subscribe while content is fresh, to be excited about new things but not actually be able to get them. I know how that feels: not good, to say the least.)
ONLY in Glenumbra, I guess you could read that patch note as:
"5 new furnishings can be earned [...] in Glenumbra," – meaning the furnishings are from Glenumbra, but the Leads are not necessarily. Or something like that.
Versus my understanding of it, "5 new furnishings can be earned from Antiquity Leads in Glenumbra..." – meaning the Leads should definitely be in Glenumbra.
I could be misremembering, but they haven't been THAT mysterious about Lead locations in past notes. If there were multiple zones to find something, they'd say so, e.g., "in Glenumbra and Hew's Bane".
I guess it's worth asking for clarity, although I kinda doubt anyone would answer us:
@ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_JessicaFolsom – would it be possible to confirm if Glenumbra is the ONLY zone these leads drop in?
Anyway,
Yes, if there are really that many things hidden ONLY in Thieves Troves, ONLY in Glenumbra, it will indeed be an awful mess on Live. A repeat of that mythic lead in safeboxes, no doubt. (I'm so glad I wasn't playing then; I got it later – and IIRC the odds on that were even improved. But how frustrating for players who choose to play and subscribe while content is fresh, to be excited about new things but not actually be able to get them. I know how that feels: not good, to say the least.)
MoonPile
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Re: We rise, Sorc mains!
Panderbander wrote: »The absolute irony in this post.
In any case you'll still be able to use Sorc for your WW, so that's not too bad after all
What if I wanted to use literally anything else… I said ‘just shut that particular class mastery passive off for werewolf’ if it’s so problematic. Or I guess just give werewolf its own ‘class mastery’ if it’s receiving nerfs in part/ because of them? (I bet next week we lose that too, and they revert nothing meaningful)
So happy you managed to keep this. Meanwhile my werewolf bleed on berserker does less damage per second than on live and was reduced from 4 seconds to… checks notes… 1 second with a 1 second delay.
I mean are we serious? Can we not just convert power at this point from that into something else for PvP?Are we all in here and believe that wasn’t just a little heavy handed??
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Yes I get to talk about werewolf in the jammm sorc mastery thread if it’s catching nerfs for it.
And btw, i’m not 100% happy about this lol. In 1 month Cyrodiil will have sorcs running around with 40k+ HP that are extremely tough to kill. Not a good PvP environment at all. Conservation needed some adjustments to its healing and buffs to its resource return. Ideally I’d want the old 1k mag/stam value and blood magic proccing off sorc abilities only, not all.
Yeah honestly.. As a Stam Sorc, we were done dirty for years, but we we're under dogs, it felt unique to have next to no identity, but still able to compete with speed and good sustain combined with great set abuse. I never jumped ship and despite feeling "weaker" I always managed to get by and compete. I'm talking before hybridization, Crystal Weapon, and Bound Armaments. All we had was weapon abilities, Hurricane, Streak, Surge, Dark Deal, Implosion, and Overload 3rd bar.
The patches where Stam Sorc became meta due to abusing ridiculous set combinations always led to us being nerfed in the class kit some how. Hrothgar's Chill, Oakensoul, Savage Werewolf, Master DW, list goes on and on.
Then came subclassing, and suddenly everyone is picking up the only good skill line we have via Storm Calling to abuse Streak and Hurricane, literally 2/3 of the main reasons I started maining Sorc in 2015. I pray they don't gut them and Critical Surge like a pig for slaughter. Maybe some tweaks, even quality of life changes like Surge getting some scaling introduced or BOL getting Major Expedition instead of projectile absorption, but I'm super curious how they'll go about it.
DK was an easy class to start with because they were already the best pre refresh class design that best highlighted the direction they wanted to go with a very clear fantasy across the class and majority of abilities already dealing flame damage. Warden is a complete mess, Sorc has some very strong skills, but about 80% that do nothing. Necro is a clunky mess that needs a rework from top to bottom. Templar needs a passive buff, some new damage skills, and some skill swaps, but they're not far from being great.
I'm sure DK mains feel the same way now with all the meta chasing bandwagoners jumping to their class, it's just how the cookie crumbles, but I prefer to be slightly under power and under estimated rather than feeling like I'm cheating or meta chasing.
I guess the lesson is I can never be happy lol.
At least now I don't really think it's a big deal since Sorc is going to be refreshed in 6 months anyway, anything powerful via Masteries this patch will be retuned soon when a lot of the power is added back to abilities and passives where they belong.
...actually less than 6 months, PTS for U52 should be Sept 13th so 4.5 months, Warden and U51 should be July 6 so only 2.5 months. They'll also probably release preview articles earlier.
Re: We rise, Sorc mains!
Blood Magic needs to be looked at for sure.
Apart from this though I am very happy. I feel like there is some real dynamics at play now. Conservation of Energy is amazing to fall back on, but it's also incredibly uneventful. Sphere of Influence and Calculated Defenses I did not even consider for pvp. Now Sphere of Influence might be a good middle ground between Conservation or not. There is some sustain, even if not much, but it may actually give enough shields to... go on the offensive for a second or two inbetween shield casts like in the old days, like it is normal for every HoT spamming meta build today.
And Calculated Defense may actually give enough spell damage to justify the loss of sustain from Conservation too; at least in more controlled environments like groupplay.
Very excited to tinker with these in pve (interesting stuff for Vestige, too) and pvp.
Apart from this though I am very happy. I feel like there is some real dynamics at play now. Conservation of Energy is amazing to fall back on, but it's also incredibly uneventful. Sphere of Influence and Calculated Defenses I did not even consider for pvp. Now Sphere of Influence might be a good middle ground between Conservation or not. There is some sustain, even if not much, but it may actually give enough shields to... go on the offensive for a second or two inbetween shield casts like in the old days, like it is normal for every HoT spamming meta build today.
And Calculated Defense may actually give enough spell damage to justify the loss of sustain from Conservation too; at least in more controlled environments like groupplay.
Very excited to tinker with these in pve (interesting stuff for Vestige, too) and pvp.
Dracane
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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Class Mastery
6% spell damage should be a reason enough for groups to want you, or? But it will be for supports only. I think DD Sorc still won't be desired.
Dracane
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Re: U50 Feedback Thread for Class Mastery
The reworked classes are the new standard. New WW is on par with New DK in PvP. Sorc was buffed in PvP by a lot. Yes it sucks to wait for the others but it seems like it will be worth it.Militan1404 wrote: »Might have missed something but dk was already the strongest class before the pyrebrand buff.
xylena
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Re: U50 PTS: Feedback for new Weekly Tome Challenges
I agree with being able to abandon/delete partially claimed challenges! This is just disgusting. Challenges was supposed to be less time consuming/easier than Endeavors (less FOMO they said), but it's the complete opposite. The current ones on live are already annoying and not that easy to get done with real life, but mostly doable with the rerolls. If all these PTS ones goes on live, you practically have to live in the game to complete them for much less rewards. Gross. Which means I just won't do them anymore.
