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Re: Whitestrake’s Mayhem - very low turnout currently?
The last few MYMs also had low turnout as well. A lot of it is that the "I only PvP when it's MYM" crowd have massively reduced or stopped playing because of the games direction over the past few years.
This is about to become a new normal too. Event tickets are going away and becoming Trade Bars which don't have the low cap, so there's going to be a lot less impetus for players who hate PvP to 'just do it for the tickets' with the new model.
This is about to become a new normal too. Event tickets are going away and becoming Trade Bars which don't have the low cap, so there's going to be a lot less impetus for players who hate PvP to 'just do it for the tickets' with the new model.
Antiquarian Idea/improvement
I have used the Antiquarian System for some time now and I thought of an interesting idea to improve or enhance the experience for players who have already found some of the armor pieces once, but do not want to find it an addition 2 more times. Would it be possible that upon finding and assembling a Mythic piece of armor 3 times we might unlock the style page for the piece we've found? As an example, items such as Bloodlord's Embrace would be a wonderful style to use for chestwear without needing to unequip our gear to have a certain look. Thank you for taking your time in reading this and I hope that it's a feasible idea to potentially implement. I believe this would motivate players to returning to farm areas to get a style page unlocked for their account as well as give overlap for aiding the newer players just starting out.
Re: Hurricane Skill Style "Sandstorm"
Only if it plays Darude's "Sandstorm" while it's active. XD
Re: MMO does NOT mean Grouping
When we talk about grouping it all comes to having better gear which leads to elitist attitude. Take the best gear reward from group content and let's see how many of these "MMOs are for groups" people will still be playing in group content. So we can just summerize that this elitist attitude is encouraged by developers with handing out better gear.
I as a a solo player who played computer games over 40 years really am tired of developers giving better gear to group players as we pay the same amount money.
In over the years, in different MMOs while grouping I encountered some individuals who otherwise should not be playing any game if not they should get some serious professional help. I still like to see and hear people around, but I am extremely sceptic when it comes to interact with them. My wife also plays mmorpg games but we generally play different games and she is also like me, means she likes to play alone, doing solo content and only can dream of getting better gear because developers think only group players are entitled to get it.
It is already hard to group up with strangers with age, religion, culture, nation or politics idea differences.
I have a humble suggestion, I am sure this has brought up before. Make realms, shards, servers, what ever you call it gear based. Hardcore servers have improved loot with lots of group content. And we casulas, in casual servers get some gear with only solo content. Keep these two individual group seperate. The biggest problem and conflicts occur when elitist mentality intersects with casual perspective.
I bought ESO+ for a year as soon as I heard solo instances will be added. I have faith on ESO team that they will gradually lower the gap between these two (hardcore and casual) groups so everyone in the game will not have a advantage over the others and live happily ever after instead trying to compete with anyone who does not think alike...
MMORPGs are for everyone.
There is a fundamental flaw in your premise. Group content is harder, not because of the design, but because it requires a group - that's 4 - 12 people working together, acting together, and not making mistakes together.
A solo player can make a mistake and survive. Two or three players making a mistake means a death or wipe. A solo player only has to deal with what the mobs are doing, a group has to deal with what the mobs and the rest of the group are doing.
Edit: I would also add, that thinking there is a dividing line between casual and hardcore is pretty elitist thinking.
On a Monday, Friday and Sunday between 8pm - 10pm I'm hardcore; the rest of the time I'm just a casual dude roaming around mat farming, or lead farming, or popping into Cyro or IC for 10 minutes, or just hanging out doing WBs with friends or housing or any number of other non-end-game things.
Last night I couldn't play. I was trying to fix a technical issue and was trying the nuclear option of re-installing. My friends were doing some vet dungeon runs with a newbie tank. I sat on discord watching from the healer's stream, and telling the tank about the mechs that were coming, giving pointers on how better to deal with something. If I'd been in game I'd have been a DD doing the same thing and likely dying as I don't DD often. Wiping with them, laughing with them, making jokes and generally having stress free fun.
On Sunday, I'm going to be raid leading in high end-game content where a single death is going to annoy me because a DD should know better, or a bug or RNG screwed us again. I'm going to be in RL mindset. I'm going to be demanding perfection from myself and as close to perfection as the rest can get - it's going to be stressful as a RL. But I'm still going to be making jokes, laughing, probably wiping in at least 1 out of the 4 runs I'm cramming into 2 hours - but I'm also still going to be having fun.
My Friend ruined the Noble Colovian Beds for me
My friend ruined the Noble Colovian Beds for me by pointing out that they look like they belong in a funeral parlor. And they do. And now I can't get that image out of my head. The normal one is bad enough but the one with a canopy looks just like the top of a coffin. I'm going to try to cobble over these to make them look less funeral-ish. Anyone have any ideas?
Re: You Belong.
Warhawke_80 wrote: »I wish this was taken more to heart, but the community has steadily become more and more toxic towards casual players and even solo players, or simply those who don't want to play 100% meta. The feedback thread for the Night Market shows this even stronger, and the devs honestly feel a little out of touch about the average skill level of the playerbase as a whole, if we consider both the Night Market in it's current state, AND the difficulty settings of that new Overland Difficulty mode (600% more damage received!! What in the world lol)
Likewise, people won’t give group content a chance and label us all as toxic and elitist and want content we find enjoyable to be nerfed/no longer added.
It’s a self-fufilling prophecy. Casuals meet endgame and get mad at meta, endgame meets casuals and get mad they refuse to improve. Neither side is a victim, neither side is an oppressor. I wish we could all just hold hands in friendship but the first step is realizing the us versus them mentality on both sides is what’s causing our suffering.
Oh.boy.....
The whole “casuals hate group content and want it nerfed just because it exists” thing is such a caricature. Almost no one is out here trying to delete raids or high-end stuff forever. What actually gets people upset is the gatekeeping, the public shaming in group finder, the “parse gray = trash” attitude, or the loud insistence that if you’re not min-maxing with a static you don’t deserve rewards or respect. Painting all that criticism as “they just hate fun group content” dodges the real issue.
Then there’s the classic line: “It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy—casuals get mad at meta, endgamers get mad casuals won’t improve, nobody’s the victim, nobody’s the oppressor.” It sounds wise and balanced, but it’s nonsense when you look at the actual dynamics.
Casuals mostly just want to enjoy the game at their own pace—see the story, get some gear, maybe clear normal without 200+ hours of practice or voice comms. When they push back, it’s usually after getting kicked, flamed, or told to unsub.
The endgame crowd often controls access to the coolest rewards, titles, mounts, leaderboards, and social clout. They set the tone in discords, forums, and group finder about what “real” play looks like. Toxicity almost always flows one way: from the people with the time, knowledge, parses, and groups toward the ones trying to break in.
Saying “both sides are equally at fault” is like watching the popular kids mock the new table for not knowing the rules… then declaring both tables are creating division equally. The power imbalance is obvious.
The “self-fulfilling prophecy” bit also skips over how one side’s louder voices spent years saying “optimize or you’re holding everyone back / why content gets nerfed.” When casuals finally internalize that and either quit or clap back, suddenly it’s “see, everyone’s toxic!”
Wishing for less hostility and more mutual respect is great. But acting like the “us vs them” mentality popped up symmetrically is just deflection. Real change starts with owning the actual imbalances instead of pretending it’s 50/50. Only then does the “let’s all hold hands” part stop sounding like a cop-out.
Thank you for saying this. There's only like one or two people on the forums actually pushing for that. Most of us really just want to exist and have fun without chasing the meta. We want to not be afraid to even speak of what we're playing as without getting bullied under the guise of 'helping'.
I feel bad for anyone who isn't a crafter and needs to ask guildies for that. If it's not one of the meta sets, they often get chewed out. I try to just silently help these folks under the table, but it's not easy.
I could go on, especially related to the Night Market on the PTS, but I think at this point it kind of speaks for itself. The imbalance comes in the sense that casual folks just wanna play the content, and yes that means it may need to be a little easier than a vet DLC trial for most players to be able to take part. Meanwhile on the flipside, endgame players want it to remain hard. One side might just get to not flex as much if the content is easier, meanwhile the other side simply can't enjoy it at all if it's made too difficult.
Then there's like what you said, the sheer aggression towards players who aren't playing the perfect meta, in ANY context, is just downright disgusting. I want to be able to play a DPS build that doesn't use the Assassination line without people jumping on my case being like 'why no NB? It's a net loss!' and just continuing to push and nag and suggest youtubers and build content creators, it just becomes SO tiring. And if you reject this, then comes the aggression.
Not every build and not every player needs to be able to run in a vet trial to be worth existing in ESO.
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Re: Please remove Rushing Agony and Null Arca from build PvP
Don't even need to talk about balance with Charm, it's BUGGED just as badly as the old fear bugs they fixed by making it a normal stationary stun, why the hell did they resurrect dead bugs?nightbringer1993 wrote: »Charm
xylena
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Re: What Do You Think of ESO’s Trading System?
You go to a trader - click on bid on trader and enter your bid - it's not rocket science. The learning point is the price point that will vary for various locations and will range from 10Ks through to 10m gold (if not more).
I would advise bidding on the trader before the changeover (maybe weekend before) rather than running around at change over time - whilst it is possible having secured one that way it is much less reliable than bidding in advance. (you do need the relevant perms to be able to bid for your guild if you are not a GM)
I've never spent longer than 10-15m bidding on traders.
I would advise bidding on the trader before the changeover (maybe weekend before) rather than running around at change over time - whilst it is possible having secured one that way it is much less reliable than bidding in advance. (you do need the relevant perms to be able to bid for your guild if you are not a GM)
I've never spent longer than 10-15m bidding on traders.
Re: Poll: PvP HoT Stacking Options for Update 49
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Hi everyone!
Last week, we had shared two options to help address healing in PvP - most notably with stacked HoTs - after removing the initial change on the PTS: reducing the modifier to a lower value, or increasing the number of HoTs it would take to trigger the modifier. There was a lot of back-and-forth discussion in the original thread and, understandably, some pretty strong opinions.
As we start to finalize what will be going into Update 49, we’d like to ask what you would ultimately like to see, knowing our current bandwidth limitations. As we mentioned before, this is not the end all, be all; we do still intend to explore other options in the future beyond Update 49.
The two poll options below are currently the only options for Update 49. We did see many of you asking about not allowing the same type of heals to stack; this is something that was actually in the game years ago, and the sentiment was so poor that we removed it from the game. It’s something we could explore or iterate on in the future, but not for Update 49. We look forward to hearing and seeing what everyone is leaning toward for this update!
I’m genuinely glad this is finally happening. The sheer number of toxic ball groups in Cyrodiil has driven many guilds away from Grey Host and other campaigns, which also discouraged countless players from even participating. When one player or even a coordinated group of 4–12, can’t realistically be killed due to the extreme overhealing, the addons, and the timing certain skills at the same time then something is clearly wrong.
Cold Fire barely affects them because they simply absorb the damage rendering any damage useless. Even just two players with cross-healing can be devastating: one tank and one bomber can wipe 30+ players in a single engagement, and because of the constant cross-heals, they are effectively unkillable. Now scale that up to a group of 10–15 players, and it becomes absurd.
I’ve personally witnessed over 40 players trying to kill a ball group of six, only for all 40 to be wiped. In that group, two were bombers, two were “spin-to-win,” and two were healers, yet even the damage dealers were receiving nonstop cross-healing. The survivability is completely out of line.
Many of my close friends of mine not only have left Grey Host because of this, but some have entirely stopped playing altogether due to how severe and toxic the environment has become. That alone should be a red flag.
I fully support the incoming nerf to heal stacking. The reason these groups oppose it is simple: their crutch heals will no longer carry them, and they won’t be able to farm kills in near-godmode conditions while being forced to ACTUALLY play skillfully. Finally the youtube clips and videos of them farming people in cyrodil would come to an end. The moment you encounter them alone or that person with one of their ballgroup friend and you end them rather quickly, that's where it becomes obvious and apparent how heavily they relied on the heals crutch and their ballgroup.
This nerf will promote healthier, more competitive gameplay and require actual skill, awareness, and decision-making to survive. That’s why I’m in favor of it.
Toxic ball groups are one of the fastest ways to push new players out of the game, and that ultimately hurts ZeniMax as a business. We need new players, as I’m tired of seeing the same faces and people running around rocks with cross heals over and over in cyrodill. Vengeance proved this: there was a noticeable surge of players because you rarely encountered the same oppressive ball groups seen in Grey Host. Success in the vengeance campaign required decent and real knowledge of your class and the game, not abuse of heal stacking. You actually saw players considered "good" getting wiped and thats when you truly see the skill level. I speak the facts, im might get flack, but i eat thoese on king david, Thank you for the poll.
Re: PTS Update 49 - Feedback Thread for Night Market
I've now had a chance to go into the NM with a tank, 2 dps, 1 heal + companions and have thoughts, the most important of which is that more dancing Ogrim are required throughout the game, pls and thank you.
But, onto a more serious note:
How do you feel about the distribution of rewards during this event zone?
Terrible. After an hour, where we killed several 3mill bosses, 2 9mill bosses and 2 25mil bosses I got... wait for it... 160 favor. The cheapest thing I can buy is 2000. And 2 trade bars, just 2. Oh and the Gold Reward for the full kill daily gave me 1 purple weapon.
If it's 160 favor/hour (and that's a grindy hour) - I'm more likely to simply not bother with this event if I have no chance of getting earning the cool housing rewards from it.
How have you found the difficulty of the Night Market? Please provide any additional context to the difficulty ratings below.
Difficult, and probably on the too difficult side. I found it equivalent to at least Arc 4 IA.
The other problem was with mobs having so much health, but the time one group was killed, the previous group had respawned and so you could get stuck in a loop.
The boss health was just too much - 15 min + on a single fight is no fun.
Did you play Night Market solo, with a random group, or an organized group (friends/guild members)?
Solo - one shotted on a Full DPS, couldn't sneak past mobs on a NB and one shotted. Lasted 20 sec on my IA DK.
Grouped - 1 tank, 2 dps, 1 heal, 3 companions - better but tedious - the mobs just have too much health.
How did you enjoy the Event Zone? As this is a new event type, we would like to get any positives and negatives.
I like the zone design in general. I like the idea of the factions. I love the dancing Ogrim. Glad to be back in Fargrave (one of my fav zones).
Did you try the different activities? If so, did you like them? Please let us know whatever you think worked and what missed the mark.
Managed to roll the balls and bounce them between panels. Not sure what that did tho - something about sand?
Collected some things from a quest inside the Skittering - wasn't able to finish it.
Found some plates to stand on in the skittering - didn't seem to do anything.
The difficulty of the zone really meant I couldn't try/experience any of the the other things to do.
How do you like the new Patrons?
LUV them. I think they're great new characters!
Did anything not function to your expectations?
I could see the cool ideas there but our group simply wasn't able to achieve any of them, let alone make it into the dungeons - or even know if they could be unlocked.
Do you have any other general feedback?
Thank you for trying something new! I like the idea of the unlock tree of mobs. But the difficulty concerns me. If the full zone has a limit of 36, at the current difficulty, does that mean as players disperse around the zone, there are never any groups big enough to actually kill anything? Does that mean no-one will really get to experience the zone properly?
It looks cool, and I think it would be cool, but I don't play ESO to be feel punished, and the Night Market felt punishing, not challenging.
But, onto a more serious note:
How do you feel about the distribution of rewards during this event zone?
Terrible. After an hour, where we killed several 3mill bosses, 2 9mill bosses and 2 25mil bosses I got... wait for it... 160 favor. The cheapest thing I can buy is 2000. And 2 trade bars, just 2. Oh and the Gold Reward for the full kill daily gave me 1 purple weapon.
If it's 160 favor/hour (and that's a grindy hour) - I'm more likely to simply not bother with this event if I have no chance of getting earning the cool housing rewards from it.
How have you found the difficulty of the Night Market? Please provide any additional context to the difficulty ratings below.
Difficult, and probably on the too difficult side. I found it equivalent to at least Arc 4 IA.
The other problem was with mobs having so much health, but the time one group was killed, the previous group had respawned and so you could get stuck in a loop.
The boss health was just too much - 15 min + on a single fight is no fun.
Did you play Night Market solo, with a random group, or an organized group (friends/guild members)?
Solo - one shotted on a Full DPS, couldn't sneak past mobs on a NB and one shotted. Lasted 20 sec on my IA DK.
Grouped - 1 tank, 2 dps, 1 heal, 3 companions - better but tedious - the mobs just have too much health.
How did you enjoy the Event Zone? As this is a new event type, we would like to get any positives and negatives.
I like the zone design in general. I like the idea of the factions. I love the dancing Ogrim. Glad to be back in Fargrave (one of my fav zones).
Did you try the different activities? If so, did you like them? Please let us know whatever you think worked and what missed the mark.
Managed to roll the balls and bounce them between panels. Not sure what that did tho - something about sand?
Collected some things from a quest inside the Skittering - wasn't able to finish it.
Found some plates to stand on in the skittering - didn't seem to do anything.
The difficulty of the zone really meant I couldn't try/experience any of the the other things to do.
How do you like the new Patrons?
LUV them. I think they're great new characters!
Did anything not function to your expectations?
I could see the cool ideas there but our group simply wasn't able to achieve any of them, let alone make it into the dungeons - or even know if they could be unlocked.
Do you have any other general feedback?
Thank you for trying something new! I like the idea of the unlock tree of mobs. But the difficulty concerns me. If the full zone has a limit of 36, at the current difficulty, does that mean as players disperse around the zone, there are never any groups big enough to actually kill anything? Does that mean no-one will really get to experience the zone properly?
It looks cool, and I think it would be cool, but I don't play ESO to be feel punished, and the Night Market felt punishing, not challenging.
Icy
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