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Re: Multiclassing was the biggest oof. (edited rant)
Not a fan of the title change to the thread, Subclassing is not an “oof”… balance is.
Even without Subclassing, all of the problem skill lines are still a problem, you just Scribe away your deficiencies and alt away.
Even without Subclassing, all of the problem skill lines are still a problem, you just Scribe away your deficiencies and alt away.
Re: Multiclassing was the biggest oof. (edited rant)
[snip] The only ones to blame are those who don't see anything but the meta and force others to use it, but I'll tell you a secret: TESO isn't about the meta. It's about the uniqueness of characters. And the more opportunities there are for diversity, the more likely it is that you'll find the most effective one. Are the developers to blame? No, because balance is impossible. [snip] The division into classes didn't allow you to be who you wanted to be. When will you understand what this game is about, stop aiming for the meta! Play for fun and collect what you want to be.
Out of curiosity, how much experience do you have for the "you can bring any build you want to high-level content and it'll be great!" idea? Particularly when thinking about "high-level content" as vRG HM and above?
Honestly, I don't feel like responding to same argument time and time again. Lemme just quote from a different thread:
tomofhyrule wrote: »I’m over the “but but but you don’t have to play meta!” argument we see everywhere, even from the devs. It reeks of someone who doesn’t touch endgame content trying to explain endgame content to people who are very experienced in that.
The meta build is obscenely more powerful than anything else, full stop. If you are not bringing the meta, you are coming to your group admitting that you are playing in self-nerf mode and that you don’t care about them enough to contribute properly.
There is a difference between "perfect balance is impossible" (which is true) and "the balance is so bad that one single setup is easily 50% more effective than the second best" (which is currently also true). Are you implying that it's impossible to narrow that gap? And the Combat Team, since Subclassing dropped, has tried the following to balance the game:
- neuter DK sustain
- force Sorcs to use pets (partially reverted)
- disallow ultigen passives from stacking
- throw a single bone to Necros in U48
If the game wasn't made for people who play endgame, then why does it have endgame activities!?!?! The game is made for all of us. Balancing Subclassing would not have made your life any different, and you could still have picked and chosen whatever build you wanted. But the way it came out completely decimated endgame and started driving them off.
...I'm sure you don't care about the exodus of endgamers though. Because you think that ESO, like Skyrim, will always be there for you to solo with. So go ahead, try to play Legends right now and tell us how that goes.
Because ESO, like Legends, is a live-service server-based game, unlike the TES mainline games. That means once enough players leave and Microsoft decided it's unprofitable, that they'll pull the plug. I'm shocked to see the number of people who play ESO exclusively solo who celebrate endgamers getting fed up and leaving, because every person who leaves is one fewer thread keeping ESO active. It's like you're celebrating the very thing that'll kill what you love too.
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Re: ESO Developer Deep Dive - Core Combat Values
Please focus on developing clear and concise gameplay. Things that ARE important should BE important. Things that CAN be counterplayed, SHOULD be telegraphed as such with clear opportunities. Focus on making digestible and fun combat instead of convoluted messes.
Early on many people compared ESO's combat to a fighting game type of back and forth play/counterplay. Now adays combat is such a blurry mess of wtf is going on.
- Ultimates and CC should be prioritized animation wise. Spammable skills should not have flashy animations that hide the vastly more important effects happening in combat. Example being meteor and Valkyn Skoria: one being a deadly ultimate that can decimate a group of players, the other is an uncounterable proc set...... but they have the same animation.
- Snares and Immobolizes(roots) are far too prevalent with limited sources of immunity. The vast majority of players rely on counterplay skills such as Race Against Time and Warden's Predator skill. Both of these skills do not focus on incentivizing the counterplay and rewarding it. Example: Applies 4s of snare and immobilize immunity, upon succesfully removing a snare or immobilize grant the user 4s of major expedition or double the duration of immunity.
- Skills and effects do not need to be paragraphs long, reduce the convoluted designs. Example old Dizzy swing vs new dizzy swing. Prior to Elsweyr Dizzy was simple and understood by everyone including new players, a long telegraphed cast that was easy to see and long enough to counter. If not countered, the defending player was punished with damage and a knockup. Now newer dizzy has a short cast time and less than stellar damage which goes against core build ideas for the 2h burst playstyle. It applies one of two debuffs based on a near invisible debuff animation with unknown effects. Seriously Offbalance is not explained in game with values available to the common player who doesnt do testing for timers/cooldowns. On top of the random debuff, if a player is offbalance the stun is not tied to the skill. Which means that the defending player cannot anticipate a critical CC which otherwise they should have been able to counterplay against to avoid entirely. If anything the offbalance+snare debuff playstyle would make more sense on the last Dual Wield skill, where a more bursty reward skill pairs with the 2h single big hit bursty nature.
Early on many people compared ESO's combat to a fighting game type of back and forth play/counterplay. Now adays combat is such a blurry mess of wtf is going on.
Re: Need an Antiquities furnishing lead vendor.
It does seem that the vendors only sell leads from multipart antiquities though. Not those from the basic one-lead-and-done furnishings.
Treasure map leads are an abomination and should 1000% be given to standard zone chests as well there is no excuse for nested RNG. And even though there were complaints about this since they put Ancestral motifs in there 5 years ago (and we still are missing a lot of potential Ancestral motifs…), ZOS is putting more things gated behind layers of RNG. And then to add insult to injury, half of the zone furnishing antiquities from Necrom on are not available at the respective furnishing vendors.
Antiquity Codex Completion for me has joined those idiot Tales of Tribute emote fragments as “something for which the RNG is so low that it’s not worth it to go for.” Isn’t ZOS nice to give us reasons not to play?
Treasure map leads are an abomination and should 1000% be given to standard zone chests as well there is no excuse for nested RNG. And even though there were complaints about this since they put Ancestral motifs in there 5 years ago (and we still are missing a lot of potential Ancestral motifs…), ZOS is putting more things gated behind layers of RNG. And then to add insult to injury, half of the zone furnishing antiquities from Necrom on are not available at the respective furnishing vendors.
Antiquity Codex Completion for me has joined those idiot Tales of Tribute emote fragments as “something for which the RNG is so low that it’s not worth it to go for.” Isn’t ZOS nice to give us reasons not to play?
Need an Antiquities furnishing lead vendor.
I think we need a vendor that sells leads for Antiquity furnishings. Doesn't matter if the vendor only appears on the weekends like the Golden and Lux vendors, or is permanent, with a rotating stock on weekly reset.
Maybe station the NPC in the Antiquarian Circle in Solitude and give them 5-6 leads from older zones. Leads from the new zone could be added once it's not "new" anymore.
Leads that you have completed the codex for could be greyed out to prevent undercutting the achievement furnishing vendor (or not! Lol) *Sidenote, I do realize there are some furnishings that do not appear in the Achievement Vendor despite being antiquity lead sourced*
Maybe station the NPC in the Antiquarian Circle in Solitude and give them 5-6 leads from older zones. Leads from the new zone could be added once it's not "new" anymore.
Leads that you have completed the codex for could be greyed out to prevent undercutting the achievement furnishing vendor (or not! Lol) *Sidenote, I do realize there are some furnishings that do not appear in the Achievement Vendor despite being antiquity lead sourced*
Re: Writhing Wall Event ESO Live: Oct. 1 (2pm ET/18:00 UTC)
Completed the main storyline in western solstice today, to prepare for the writhing wall event... I'm ready!
PS: Fun storyline!
PS: Fun storyline!
Sarannah
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Re: PTS Update 48 - Feedback Thread for New Item Sets
Can’t believe zos got baited by casuals to make this mythic actually a 20% damage increase
Re: Ongoing player harassment and griefing help?
One tip - don't submit any additional tickets, each one puts you to the back of the queue again. Ask Kevin to check the existing ones and PM you an update.
Tandor
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Official Discussion Thread for "ESO’s October 2025 Survival Guide"
This is the official discussion thread for, "ESO’s October 2025 Survival Guide"
"Bring down the Writhing Wall and celebrate Tamriel’s spooky season this October!"
Re: How to Kill a community
BardokRedSnow wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »JustLovely wrote: »Joy_Division wrote: »Hey everyone,
I wanted to open up a discussion (or maybe just vent a little) about how the new "Vengeance" PvP server has really hurt the classic Greyhost PvP experience. I know ZOS introduced Vengeance to address some long-standing issues—queue times, performance, population balance, etc.—but in the process, it feels like they’ve gutted what made Greyhost such a unique and vibrant part of Cyrodiil.
1. Population Drain
Since Vengeance launched, Greyhost feels like a ghost town. During prime time, we used to have full queues and intense battles around every corner—Keeps constantly flipping, massive coordinated fights, and real strategy. Now? It's barely active. Half the alliances don’t even bother showing up. The competitive edge is gone.
2. Split Community
Instead of fixing the underlying issues with Cyrodiil, they just created a separate instance and split the community. The PvP community in ESO is already niche, and now we had servers cannibalizing the same player base. It’s harder than ever to find organized groups unless you’re already deep into a guild and even then as a GM it is hard to run.
3. Sweaty Meta vs. Casual Fights
Greyhost always had a nice balance of hardcore and casual players. You could run solo, do small-scale fights, or jump into massive zergs. Now, Vengeance has turned into a sweaty, no skill casual zerg PvP fest with all the low-end players flocking there. Meanwhile, Greyhost is left with randoms, disorganized pugs, and barely enough activity to sustain a siege.
4. Loss of Identity
Greyhost had its own identity. The guild rivalries, the politics, the alliances—those took years to build. Vengeance reset all of that. Now it's just another PvP instance, without the history, without the community culture. It doesn’t feel like Cyrodiil anymore—it feels like an eSports lobby.
I’m not saying Vengeance shouldn't exist, but it shouldn't have ever been a question to have its existence in the first place. had to be a better way to integrate it without killing off what made Greyhost special. Thank you ZOS for damaging the hard work and effort ALL FACTIONS have put into creating such a fun, competitive environment just to do "testing" on issues that never seem to be solved. 10+ years and still having trouble with the mail system and why do I have to reload UI to open mail or port to another area? crazy. Maybe we should host a Vengece for PvE and make it so PvErs get NO DROPS. No Gold. No Craftable gear to have a chance to figure that bug out. Sounds like a great idea.
Curious to hear your thoughts—have you stuck with Greyhost? Switched to Vengeance? Is there still hope for the old server, or is it time to come to terms that whoever is creating these "ideas" wants to kill the PvP community.
You are describing Cyrodiil circa 2016.
All of the problems you are attributing to Vengeance have been the consequence of ZOS's increasingly reliance of broken proc sets, heavy favoritism of defense/healing mechanics, hybridization that allowed players to have builds with no weaknesses, and a terrible decision to combine the roles of lead PvP and lead combat under the same team (which led to the neglect of both).
Cyrodiil has been a ghost town for years now. Even ball groups and guilds cannibalize each other because the population is so low. The guilds have left because the balance is terrible and people just got bored literally doing the same thing over and over and over for years: "3-2-1 Deep Fissure, wait for my Rush of Agony proc." Keeps have not consistently flipped ever since ZOS lowered the population caps, making it impossible for the sort of action you are describing.
The sentiment is not wrong; Cyrodiil was once an interesting and more lively place. But those who once enjoyed it left long before Vengeance was ever even an idea. It's not because of Vengeance
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Would removing the ability to group up solve Cyrodiil?
No. Removing heal stacking and nerfing pulls would.
There's already the advantage of coordination and numbers, groups dont need infinite heal circles and shield spam, plus the ability to force people into an Ult dump.
The irony is that vengeance doesn't limit heal and shield stacking. Even with vengeance ZOS isn't doing the thing PvP players have been begging for since circa 2018.
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