Alphashado wrote: »

kasain wrote: »

Fyrakin wrote: »

onibubu wrote: »

Is Veteran content hard? Yes
Are few mobs not balanced? Yes
Is it overall playable? *** Yes

Don't get me wrong but everytime I see people here posting their death recaps it involves skills that a) should be interrupted b) should be sidestepped c) at the very least should be blocked.

Here are some tips:
1) Interrupt, Sidestep, Block
2) Use Potions and Bufffood, they are not that expensive
3) Use CC (you know that skills when an enemy cant to *** for 15 seconds...) Its easier to fight one enemy and then the next as both at once!

And the most valuable tip:
4) DONT BE A GLASS CANNON!
It does not work. Have at least 1900 Life! Be capped at least at spell resist.
If you are dead you can't do damage!

VR Content is playable? Yes
Enjoyable and Fun? No

You can expect form a player to be able interrupt and maybe (just maybe) side step but not dps all at once. Player has limited pools, npcs can spam everything they have until they are dead, when you face several trash npcs all at once it is just like any other boss fight with appropriate skill mapping/planning ultimate usage etc. I'm not saying its not possible, it is possible, but after a week or so it gets old. You start to feel like going back to work. I'm sorry its not what I expect form an entertainment. I had enough of work during the day and want to have some fun.

Am a v6 in a v7 area playi g tbe game in my bra and panties. If I k ew how to record and pozt my solo naked boss killings I would. Armor is for fashion only. The game is to easy. It was o ly hard that one or two days after 1.21 update.

Lol I would love to make a music video of all tbe kills I do naked. Don't rely on armor. Use your skills. Or if anyone needs help, I help you out np. You can enjoy my thin, fine looking naked female.

When a monster can truely present a danger to me I will put on clothes.

Even if what you are saying is true, which I highly doubt, then good for you. You are clearly enjoying veteran content the way it is.

A gigantic % of paying subscribers are not enjoying it the way it is. Try thinking outside of the box for a moment and consider what this means for you and your naked "domination".

I think that he was being facetious. I totally agree with your assessment.

gougefub17_ESO wrote: »

Great another l2p post.
->1) Interrupt, Sidestep, Block

Great when I need to do all three at once.
HOW DO YOU DO MELEE DAMAGE AND KEEP BLOCKING. You must be a caster.

I have never been in a situation where I had to do all three things at once.
It is true, you cant block ALL the time and do damage.
I mean block/interrupt the heavy attacks.
Step ot of *** attacks.

For the rest your Resis/Armor/Life should be high enough to take a couple of hits. And NO this has nothing to do with your class...

gougefub17_ESO wrote: »

-> 3) Use CC (you know that skills when an enemy cant to *** for 15 seconds...) Its easier to fight one enemy and then the next as both at once!

Yeah works great for 3-4 mobs, or if you can separate two mobs with out causing damage to the CC'ed one and releasing.

I have NEVER seen a group of 4 mobs or more in the veteran levels...
You CC the 3. and kill 2 which is managable.
As for doing damage to the ccd one... dont use aoe abilities when you could hit the ccd mob...

gougefub17_ESO wrote: »

Really wondering if we are playing the same game.

I am really wondering the same thing.

But I have to agree on one thing.
Veteran Levels are tedious and boring... so we can actually agree on something

I just thought I would say, I saw a lot of people complaining about how easy VR content was, I think people got what they asked for.

onibubu wrote: »

gougefub17_ESO wrote: »

I have NEVER seen a group of 4 mobs or more in the veteran levels...
You CC the 3. and kill 2 which is managable.
As for doing damage to the ccd one... dont use aoe abilities when you could hit the ccd mob...



But I have to agree on one thing.
Veteran Levels are tedious and boring... so we can actually agree on something

I guess your have never wander into wasp's nest. However, I am pretty sure that I have attacked 3 mobs and a tiger jumps into the mess. And last not I had a situation where I attack 3 and a 4th wander back into the zone

NB CC only one at a time, my weapon does AoE so I have to CC one, pull the other toward me

BUT you hit the main point, I would probably even love the tough combat, IF VR had any sort of purpose beside LEVELING.... That is probably the point of my rants.

As someone who has been playing through VR quests solo as a DW/bow NB, I do not see a problem at all with mobs. What I do notice is that the people questing around me often die to trash mobs and I don't, even though I had a mere 1250 health for quite a while and now still only have a measly 1500. The big difference always seems to be that they just run into mobs without a thought and then try to soak up whatever damage is thrown at them.

Yes, that soldier who throws the innocent looking dagger at you after a 3-4 second charge is going to take 1/4 to 1/2 of your life by the time the DoT ends. Solution: dodge or interrupt. Those casters that throw out AoEs or those lines of fire on the ground will probably hurt you even more (I'm not sure because I rarely get hit by them). Solution: take two steps to the left. That melee who flips you upside down with a heavy attack is probably eating 1/3 of your health and putting you in a bad position. Solution: block. If you don't react quick enough and end up on the ground, break CC, it's worth losing the stamina to make sure you stay alive. It can also be annoying if you have multiple casters attacking you from range with those charged attacks and tracking fireballs. Solution: dodge instead of blocking. You may not be able to run up and interrupt them if they're spread out, but that's not your only option and dodge bypasses attacks from everyone around you. You can even dodge melee heavy attacks.

Ultimately I think this is a L2P issue. I'm not saying that to be mean, but the mechanics are there to easily survive all this stuff if you just bother to react. I know it works because I see people die right next to me because they think they're gods and I do just fine on the same groups of mobs. Dumbing this down would make fighting mobs really boring, honestly.

joshisanonymous wrote: »

As someone who has been playing through VR quests solo as a DW/bow NB, I do not see a problem at all with mobs. What I do notice is that the people questing around me often die to trash mobs and I don't, even though I had a mere 1250 health for quite a while and now still only have a measly 1500. The big difference always seems to be that they just run into mobs without a thought and then try to soak up whatever damage is thrown at them.

Yes, that soldier who throws the innocent looking dagger at you after a 3-4 second charge is going to take 1/4 to 1/2 of your life by the time the DoT ends. Solution: dodge or interrupt. Those casters that throw out AoEs or those lines of fire on the ground will probably hurt you even more (I'm not sure because I rarely get hit by them). Solution: take two steps to the left. That melee who flips you upside down with a heavy attack is probably eating 1/3 of your health and putting you in a bad position. Solution: block. If you don't react quick enough and end up on the ground, break CC, it's worth losing the stamina to make sure you stay alive. It can also be annoying if you have multiple casters attacking you from range with those charged attacks and tracking fireballs. Solution: dodge instead of blocking. You may not be able to run up and interrupt them if they're spread out, but that's not your only option and dodge bypasses attacks from everyone around you. You can even dodge melee heavy attacks.

Ultimately I think this is a L2P issue. I'm not saying that to be mean, but the mechanics are there to easily survive all this stuff if you just bother to react. I know it works because I see people die right next to me because they think they're gods and I do just fine on the same groups of mobs. Dumbing this down would make fighting mobs really boring, honestly.

I'm the same build as you, VR9 (almost 10 and in Bangkorai, last AD faction zone). I can do everything you have described, and yes if I am thoughtful before I jump into most fights I can survive them with little to know problem.

But it just isn't fun anymore. I want a game that is mostly just fun, with challenges here and there. What we have at veteran ranks now is a game that is constantly challenging to the point of impossible with an occasionally fun fight.

Also, as I believe I stated in an earlier post in this thread, my main issue is the waved mob fights. As a Nightblade these are nigh impossible, because my main strength is plotting my attacks against unsuspecting enemies, and I lose it entirely in these encounters. I've cleared everything that doesn't jam up on one of these fights in every single zone up to Bangkorai. And I have three quests jammed up on these fights in Alik'r, all in previous zones I've managed to get through after many attempts. I'll get through the ones in Alik'r eventually too, I'm sure, it's just tedious and not fun.

I can survive the veteran trash mobs, and I've even beaten a group boss all by myself, but the most important question is "am I having any fun?" And as much as I hate to say it, no I'm really not. I loved levels 1-50 but I don't like the veteran content.

Every fight against a trash mob feels like a chore. If I don't take the time to wait for my resources to replenish, before heading over to the next trash mobs, I run the risk of dying or spending too much time in that fight and wasting potions. And one of the biggest problems is that, due to the difficulty, I feel like I'm forced to use certain skills just to survive every encounter. I can understand certain skills not being optimal, but having so many skills and builds be completely useless is just the antithesis of an Elder Scrolls game.

And healers in veteran content cheat. At least when they're a trash mob it's not too bad, but having to fight one as a boss? I had to fight Cassia Varo and her Ogrim. I managed to kill the Ogrim, with the help of that Flame Atronach the NPC gives you, but Cassia was another story. I got her health down to a certain percentage and then she started healing. I interrupted her and she didn't even get stunned, she just went right back to attacking me. And every single time her health dropped down to that same threshold, she started healing. I kept having to just attack, heal, and interrupt her while my ultimate slowly charged...

I don't mind a challenge but I don't want my game to feel like a job either. I am paying to play this content after all.

joshisanonymous wrote: »

As someone who has been playing through VR quests solo as a DW/bow NB, I do not see a problem at all with mobs. What I do notice is that the people questing around me often die to trash mobs and I don't, even though I had a mere 1250 health for quite a while and now still only have a measly 1500. The big difference always seems to be that they just run into mobs without a thought and then try to soak up whatever damage is thrown at them.

Yes, that soldier who throws the innocent looking dagger at you after a 3-4 second charge is going to take 1/4 to 1/2 of your life by the time the DoT ends. Solution: dodge or interrupt. Those casters that throw out AoEs or those lines of fire on the ground will probably hurt you even more (I'm not sure because I rarely get hit by them). Solution: take two steps to the left. That melee who flips you upside down with a heavy attack is probably eating 1/3 of your health and putting you in a bad position. Solution: block. If you don't react quick enough and end up on the ground, break CC, it's worth losing the stamina to make sure you stay alive. It can also be annoying if you have multiple casters attacking you from range with those charged attacks and tracking fireballs. Solution: dodge instead of blocking. You may not be able to run up and interrupt them if they're spread out, but that's not your only option and dodge bypasses attacks from everyone around you. You can even dodge melee heavy attacks.

Ultimately I think this is a L2P issue. I'm not saying that to be mean, but the mechanics are there to easily survive all this stuff if you just bother to react. I know it works because I see people die right next to me because they think they're gods and I do just fine on the same groups of mobs. Dumbing this down would make fighting mobs really boring, honestly.

This is where we disagree. The vast majority of us understand perfectly how to manage these fights. The point is that it isn't fun for everyone. It is a task, A chore. The kind of intense experience that many people would rather find in a dungeon or group objectives. I do not enjoy getting hit for 1500 damage by one hit because I missed one block on a trash mob.

joshisanonymous wrote: »

Ultimately I think this is a L2P issue. I'm not saying that to be mean, but the mechanics are there to easily survive all this stuff if you just bother to react. I know it works because I see people die right next to me because they think they're gods and I do just fine on the same groups of mobs. Dumbing this down would make fighting mobs really boring, honestly.

Mean, no. Condescending, very much so.

My main is a VR9 DW/Bow NB. You did not grace us with your veteran rank number, as you were clearly too busy insulting the population by taking it upon yourself to teach us to block and dodge things. How I made it all the way to VR9 without knowing to step out of a red circle... simply astonishing.

If you're running around as a NB with 1500 health, it's a pretty good assumption that you are in the lower VR content. Upon researching this topic you will find the majority of people who feel the trash mobs are unbalanced state these problems occur in higher end VR zones. Though there are players who do feel they can charge into any situation without thought or strategy, the vast majority of people in this thread are clearly not those types. If you pay attention to their points and examples you would see that.

As another guy pointed out, prior to 1.2 there were never any of these issues, minimal complaints at the most. I never had any significant notable difficulty as a DW/Bow NB at all until 1.2 and reaching the VR8 zone at the same time.

And I do not recall anyone asking to "dumb" anything down. We're asking to have the trash balanced so the VR content is no longer irritating. As another guy nailed it "Trash mobs feel like a chore.' Nor has a single person claimed any of the mechanics are too difficult either.

If you're going to express an opinion in a forum, please do so constructively. Also do not come into a thread where the majority of people clearly have issue with the content and start throwing around passive insults such as "L2P".

My main issue with the VR content is that you can not play as you want, I'm pretty much forced into using a pet/resto staff build, which I don't really enjoy.