Now we have only Sorcs in Cyrodil.

UntouchableHunter · August 19

We got the news, DK and WW nerfs.

Now we are having the DKs and WW cheese players moving to Sorceres.

Today we had red sorc team (5 Sorcs actually) playing coordinated like a ball group and destroying everything.

Impossible to kill them, tons of shield, mobility and stun for free, crazy dmg.

We don't even have the DK and WW nerf live but why the cheese players will play DK and WW if the Sorc were at the same level before the nerf.

With the patch 51 the Sorcs will be by far the only one OP class in Cyrodil.

What kind of balance is it. We had 3 strong class to fight now we will have only one and a dead Templar class.

I really don't understand why you devs just don't listen the community and instead nerf buff the classes that are behind.

Now prepare for a flood of sorcs nerfs on patch 51.

Munkfist · August 19

This is what happens when everyone calls for nerfs without thinking of the ripple effects they have in pvp.

Radiate77 · August 19

Munkfist wrote: »

This is what happens when everyone calls for nerfs without thinking of the ripple effects they have in pvp.

No this is what happens when we ONLY nerf.

You can’t bring down the top without elevating the bottom, and the only true buff we’re seeing next update is to Swallow Soul. Much wow.

CoolAsh · August 19

Sorcerer has actually been strong for a very long time. Because of its consistently strong performance, it has built up a large player base, and many of those players have been loudly complaining on the forums about other classes. Meanwhile, players who main weaker classes gradually quit because their experience is so poor—for example, Necromancer players, especially considering that the Necromancer class rework still seems to be nowhere in sight.

On top of that, Sorcerer is the only truly ranged class in the game. The other classes can’t really be considered true ranged classes. And with Streak, Sorcerer can instantly create a huge distance between itself and its enemies.

Honestly, if you were designing a ranged class according to conventional logic, you would probably cut its melee damage in half. Yet Sorcerer has extremely strong damage at both melee and ranged distances.

Sorcerer should be nerfed just like Dragonknight and Werewolf, but ZOS has selectively chosen to ignore it. The result of not nerfing these classes is endless power creep, where players can get instantly killed in PvP before they even have time to understand what happened.

IncultaWolf · August 19

Yes, there are pvp streamers already saying the new meta will be sorc next patch. They were already as strong as dk if built properly but it's just going to be more evident soon. Even on live I see more sorcerers than anything in my battlegrounds.

rlindsey912nub18_ESO · August 19

Sorcs damage would be fine but zos had to buff their shields too just whyyyyyyyy?

CatalinaWineMixer2 · August 19

Munkfist wrote: »

This is what happens when everyone calls for nerfs without thinking of the ripple effects they have in pvp.

It's the same people singing the same old song, "Nerf this, nerf that". Like a broken record. These changes have already caused an exodus in our Guilds. They need to stop catering to an absolute minority. And thats what is happening here. Zos needs to eliminate the PTS, hire their own testers and start setting and enforcing a rules based combat order. And either comple all of the refreshes immediately or remove Subclassing and return to a sane Class based combat order. They can remove it in a single update, just like it was put in. And we do not need a broken cherry picking system like Subclassing in Eso. It is killing the entire game. We haven't needed this crap for 10 years and we don't need it now. It is the reason all of the combat is broken in the first place.

This constant nerf cycle isn't going to work anymore. Who in their right mind would even entertain the thought of 10 more years of this?

Necrotech_Master · August 19

there will always be some meta in cyro that 75%+ of the people are going to play

as soon as people figure out the "best" combination of subclassing, or pure class, or WW, or gear, etc the majority of people will switch to use it

this is why i have such frustration playing GH and prefer playing in vengeance because if you dont play the meta, everything will be 10x more difficult, and then when you have groups of people playing the meta, it just turns into a farce with benny hill music as 6 people need 30+ to kill them

Luneca · August 19

That's because there's no real counter to sorcs as long s DoTs remain a joke. If you run an actual DoT build, you'll be dead before you can even "set up" enough to make anyone sweat.

The game's balance is in a bad place because the current combat system lets SOME classes oversustain, ignore mechanics, ignore build decisions, and things like DoTs and purge don't really matter anymore outside of being sieged and a faction stack event.

When a large part of combat can be ignored or you simply don't encounter it in any realistic scenario, it means that balance is going to be bad and there is a problem.

But ZOS apparently thinks this is fine. i will say this direct damage era is the worst PvP era in the game IMO. I'd rather be back in One Tamriel or Scalebreaker. I'm not even joking -- at least then everyone could be broken.

This current patch and the next? Haha...no. I'll have to farm more siege.

Seraphayel · August 19

The nerfs aren't even live yet, you're coming to false conclusions "just seeing Sorcs now".

By the way, Sorcerers have always been the top class in PvP, ever since 2014. If they were not #1, they were #2, but never below that. Sorcs have always been busted and it never changed.

Vaqual · August 19

This is literally simpler than "only nerfs" and "ripple effects".
Everyone knows what makes Sorc overperform, everyone knows what makes WW overperform, everyone knows what makes DK overperform. Fun fact: A lot of people knew it before the problematic stuff even hit the live server.
All of it is easily fixable without "gutting" anything.

So many users on these forums are not able to have a factual discussion. It's crazy. The hysteria is annoying.

Weesacs · August 19

Yup, with the DK and WW nerfs, here come the class hoppers. Nothing more pathetic than changing your ‘main’ every time the meta changes just to keep your ego on top.

UntouchableHunter · August 19

Seraphayel wrote: »

The nerfs aren't even live yet, you're coming to false conclusions "just seeing Sorcs now".

By the way, Sorcerers have always been the top class in PvP, ever since 2014. If they were not #1, they were #2, but never below that. Sorcs have always been busted and it never changed.

False conclusion? How dare you?
I'm playing every day, and I'm fighting a lot more Sorcs then DK and WW this week.

But take your time and prepare for the Sorc flood.

And yes Sorcs have always been top class in ESO.

UntouchableHunter · August 19

@ZOS_Kevin please take a careful look on the Sorcs in Cyrodil now and when the 51 come live please

Four_Fingers · August 19

And so on, infinitum.
Novel idea, let's let the devs design their own game.

LadyGP · August 19

You're always going to have that initial "rush" of players who go to the latest and greatest.

Over time it fades and things balance out.

Give it time...

Eldovar · August 19

In PvP games there will always be gamers who choose the things that given them an advantage; even if that advantage is 0.1 percent. Even for Vengeance there are preferred setups.

And if they nerf sorcerer, people will move on to the next best thing. Every game's meta follows one universal rule: solve the puzzle, ruin the game, wait for the nerf. Repeat.

wolfie1.0. · August 19

Been on the forums for a very long time.

In that time the vast majority of combat complaints have centered around perceived pvp imbalances. The vast majority of combat changes have been around said changes...yet the complaints seem to come in at the same rates regardless.

One wonders if the solution to end the cycle is just to end the pvp conflict by ending pvp in its entirety.

Definitely would free up some dev space for new PVE content.

UntouchableHunter · August 19

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Been on the forums for a very long time.

In that time the vast majority of combat complaints have centered around perceived pvp imbalances. The vast majority of combat changes have been around said changes...yet the complaints seem to come in at the same rates regardless.

One wonders if the solution to end the cycle is just to end the pvp conflict by ending pvp in its entirety.

Definitely would free up some dev space for new PVE content.

We were very loud in this forum. We dont wana nerfs. We want buffs to the weak classes and the rework for everybody.

DK and WW and Sorcs feels amazing to play right now.

Just rework or at least buff thee others.

If patch 51 we wont have 3 amazing options, will be only one and we be the alwayss tier OP on the list sorceres.

I like to play sorc, yes but I dont like to go to cyrodil and see only DK, WW and Sorcs. But on patch 51 will only sorc, sorc, sorc, sorc.

aLi3nZ · August 19

I just played bg. 3dk 1 Templar.

Often it’s 3dk 1 ww.

This only seeing sorcs is just lies and sur sorcs will be majority sometimes. It’s not often.

Nemesis7884 · August 19

Makes bounty quest faster...

BardokRedSnow · August 19

I was waiting for it lol, I knew as soon as people got their way with DK and WW nerfs people would be complaining about sorcs next. It never ends.

Personally Im okay with sorcs being everywhere, shield wall is such a good skill.

BardokRedSnow · August 19

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Been on the forums for a very long time.

In that time the vast majority of combat complaints have centered around perceived pvp imbalances. The vast majority of combat changes have been around said changes...yet the complaints seem to come in at the same rates regardless.

One wonders if the solution to end the cycle is just to end the pvp conflict by ending pvp in its entirety.

Definitely would free up some dev space for new PVE content.

sure if you want the game to die off faster, by all means

Wuuffyy · August 19

UntouchableHunter wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

The nerfs aren't even live yet, you're coming to false conclusions "just seeing Sorcs now".

By the way, Sorcerers have always been the top class in PvP, ever since 2014. If they were not #1, they were #2, but never below that. Sorcs have always been busted and it never changed.

False conclusion? How dare you?
I'm playing every day, and I'm fighting a lot more Sorcs then DK and WW this week.

But take your time and prepare for the Sorc flood.

And yes Sorcs have always been top class in ESO.

I noticed this also on my server. Seeing more sorcs than anything now. I jokingly thought some may be ‘prepping’ but given that you’re saying you are seeing the same, I believe you’re right.

Wuuffyy · August 19

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Makes bounty quest faster...

Only ‘kill sorc’ unfortunately. But that’s assuming you can catch them and they don’t streak away 13-14x after you break their shield once.

gamergirldk · August 19

I would have love they chance the shield mastery and we got a mastery for pets insted

AdonisJorge · August 19

gamergirldk wrote: »

I would have love they chance the shield mastery and we got a mastery for pets insted

i really like pet buils, hope they can fix it with sorc rework

Adrastus · August 19

hoping they bump up all classes similar to peak dk with warden rework release

Lylith · August 19

looks a bit like a 'nerf sorcs' thread.

Tommy_The_Gun · August 19

Lylith wrote: »

looks a bit like a 'nerf sorcs' thread.

I do wonder how forums will look like right after sorc re-work

Fischblut · August 19

I am sad when any skill or class is nerfed. Instead of even thinking about any nerfs, I patiently wait for when all other classes are also buffed (without destroying subclassing, of course)

I envy that 5 sorc team the OP've met, sounds like they had good time playing

I wouldn't take away that fun, I would rather see that every class has different fun options as well.

We had 3 strong class to fight now we will have only one and a dead Templar class.

My main PvP character is templar (pure class even), and I can't play other classes often - cause they don't contribute to my alliance rank :'( I am always sad since the day my Jabs lost their original visuals and powerful voice lines, and I'm forever stuck in combat cause I like to heal allies

I know this class is getting even more nerfed next patch, but I don't react to this cause I got no willpower left anymore.

I was waiting for it lol, I knew as soon as people got their way with DK and WW nerfs people would be complaining about sorcs next. It never ends.

Totally, and I wonder what class would some people want to nerf if sorc was nerfed too

Nerfs are taking away the enjoyment, and I hope someday developers stop nerfing things and instead let every player have many fun options.