Thank you for the stats, it's really cool of ZOS to do presentations like these. I don't know if Zhaj'hassa should have been counted though, because the fight had many bugs with the spawning timer and location of the pillars, as well as the pillar mechanic itself, so the death toll was probably influenced by that. Also, there is a small typo with the name of that boss on the graphic (an H is missing) in case you wanted to correct it

Thank you, Fire Orb, for killing Tho'at while I was mostly just running away

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Jaimeh wrote: »

Thank you for the stats, it's really cool of ZOS to do presentations like these. I don't know if Zhaj'hassa should have been counted though, because the fight had many bugs with the spawning timer and location of the pillars, as well as the pillar mechanic itself, so the death toll was probably influenced by that. Also, there is a small typo with the name of that boss on the graphic (an H is missing) in case you wanted to correct it

Thanks for the feedback here. We've seen a few ppl mention the bugs with Zhaj'hassa. We'll take that into account in the future. We felt it was still appropriate to add Zhaj'hassa based on some of the specific data points we have, but we understand the player perspective on this as well. We'll take that into consideration in the future if this scenario pops up again.

Also we'll leave Zhaj'hassa with a nerfed name. Call the missing "H" the cost of any extra kills they got.

Heh, fair enough, Kevin And thank you for the elucidation, it's good to know there were other considerations for the eligibility of this boss (I'm guessing the data pointed to deaths that were unrelated to the bugged parts of the fight). It's interesting to have insight like this!

Awesome summary! Thank you very much.

So, by assuming players are spending approximately 2 hours per run on average, that's 767.098 runs within the first month. That's quite some participation. Glad to hear that!

From my experience, it's completely understandable why Gothmau, Zhaj'hassa the Forgotten, Focused Efforts, and Dragonknight + Warden got the attention they did. It felt like there wasn't much competition for their respective spots on the statistics leaderboard.

I wonder how much these statistics would change given a year's time?

Billium813 wrote: »

Even with that consideration, it's interesting that a transformation Vision was included. Scorching Support IS one of the best ones IMO, so it makes sense. I always chose that one if I see it and it does seem to show up quite often...

It synergizes well with Focused Efforts. It has a cooldown and even then does not always proc off cooldown, but it ticks fast, which is extra opportunities to proc burning. My 2H Stamplar's only active source of fire damage is Reflective Light, which I think ticks every 2 seconds. It procs burning significantly less than Scorching Support. Swift Gale is another one that synergizes well with Focused Effort. It splits into 3 little ice storms every half second, and any one of them can proc chilled. And again, my 2H Stamplar doesn't have much other access to chilled. Poisoned and hemorrhaging? Sure. But burning and chilled not so much, so the right visions and verses help.

Billium813 wrote: »

For instance, Well-Trained Command is almost useless to me without a Class combat pet. Lessons Learned and Full Coffers are similarly blanks that I won't choose considering I'm 2200 CP with 20 million Gold in the bank.

On one round I had the worst possible options.

I had the choice between a useless combat option (useless to my build) and full coffers for a boss round... I chose full coffers, simply because you need to make a choice (I too have millions in the bank).

When I defeated the boss there were a couple of "puddles" of coins on the ground - each containing 100g.

Wonderful

Varana wrote: »

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

Billium813 wrote: »

For instance, Well-Trained Command is almost useless to me without a Class combat pet. Lessons Learned and Full Coffers are similarly blanks that I won't choose considering I'm 2200 CP with 20 million Gold in the bank.

On one round I had the worst possible options.

I had the choice between a useless combat option (useless to my build) and full coffers for a boss round... I chose full coffers, simply because you need to make a choice (I too have millions in the bank).

When I defeated the boss there were a couple of "puddles" of coins on the ground - each containing 100g.

Wonderful

The synergy that produces the gold puddles (Shakedown) does some damage (40k+ for me iirc), so it's at least doing something.

Yeah, that’s the verse, Gilded Sleight — it does damage and the dropped gold is scaled per archive level. But the vision, Full Coffers, is never worthwhile.

When I looked at the deadliest marauder stat, my very first thought was "Holy smokes, Batman!", then I looked more closely at the spelling.

On a more serious note: I'd be interested in the stats for how LONG these achievements took, because I get the impression from this forum that this dungeon is very time-consuming and can only be done in one continuous run.

Is Zhaj'hassa still broken?

It's really frustrating, I wanted to just do one quick Arc 1 run before logging off, and got him just before Cycle 5. Seriously almost done and spent all four threads on him. I've been able to DPS him down before needing to do the buggy mechanic before but tonight I'm just tired, this sucks.

Zhaj'hassa can still bug where the pillars spawn RIGHT at the edge of the arena, so you can't quite get behind them.

But more importantly, Zhaj'hassa (and bosses like The Serpent) expose an issue with ESO gameplay as it pertains to Boss design, and when players expectations don't quite align with gameplay.

IMO, the Zhaj'hassa fight is a bit difficult for players for a couple reasons, aside from bugs:

1. Random "one-shot" mechanics - MANY players often take the line that they ignore boss mechanics until they matter. That means that MANY players will end up dying once or even twice on a boss like Zhaj'hassa before begrudgingly asking "what am I supposed to do?". They forget the boss for several weeks when it doesn't show up, then have to relearn over and over, wasting Threads.

Sometimes this is the fault of the player for ignoring mechanics and trying to brute force a solution, but it's also the fault of design for not keeping mechanic designs consistent and easy to read by players. I mean, MOST bosses don't even have a "one shot" mechanic. So, when a player stumbles upon one that does, a player can be caught off guard at a sudden difficulty spike! The game doesn't have a good way of letting the player know WHY they just died, or that it was because of a mechanic. It creates confusion for the player as the death summary screen offers NO help.

2. Poor directions - I have noted repeatedly that ZOS is inconsistent with their usage of combat cues; and it's getting worse over time. Having colored AOEs on the ground is a great way to tell players where TO stand and NOT to stand. However, I have seen MANY fights, with mechanics that require players to have specific positions, that ZOS fails to use combat queues correctly.

Zhaj'hassa and The Serpent are great examples. During the Zhaj'hassa fight, the screen goes dark as the player is debuffed with Grip of Lorkhaj. MANY players I have played with have NO idea that they need to run to one of the light pads at the edge of the arena! Having ZOS place a Green AOE cue at those pads would be an excellent combat cue to let the player know what to do. The same thing happens during The Serpent fight when the boss drops Pink Orbs. There are no combat cues letting the player know what to do.

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My issue is when a game over-relies on Youtube videos and third-party website guides. If a player feels that they have to leave the game and google a boss in order to figure out what is going on, then the game has failed the player.