If I can solo it with a companion I might possibly be interested in it, but it depends. Does the difficulty get harder and harder and the rewards greater and greater?

For me it's not just the journey it's the rewards that motivate me.

Seraphayel wrote: »

My question is: how did they came up with the idea for this system? I mean, have there been threads asking for this? Enough, to warrant developers even thinking about it and eventually leading to the development of it?

It just feels so random and out of the blue, basically like Arcanist does. Neither Arcanist nor the endless dungeon were things I saw players asking for.

New class? Sure. Arcanist? Basically never as there is no class like that in other ES games. New system / story mode / harder overland? Sure. Endless dungeon? Never.

I mean these new things feel absolutely tone deaf regarding player wishes.

I mean, one could draw parallels between Matt Firor and Vivec so no surprises there.

Natakiro wrote: »

I really hope this can be solo'd, if desired. Yes, playing with a buddy would be great if it's a friend, but I would hate for it to become another RND thing. Even if "buddy" is limited to just a companion, that would be better than something so similar sounding to an existing system. If it isn't able to be taken solo, I will probably have little interest in it, in the long run. Sad that they're giving up a dungeon and area for that (despite complaining about RND, I actually love dungeons, probably my favorite non-overland content; I enjoy that I can do a lot of them SOLO.) And the reward system will have to be considered; something endless like that would need a reason to play it. But hey, at least it's guaranteed to interest me more than the card game, which I literally never play.

Either way, it is far too early to begin to tell what was even meant by "endless dungeon with a buddy", so I will reserve judgment and not have any expectations until more info is given.

If veteran 4 man dungeon hard modes can be soloed, I’m sure this can be. I wouldn’t worry about that.

Excited for this, if it does well then ESO will finally be my 100% replacement for Phantasy Star Online 2 since that was one of my favorite things about PSO2 being infinitely random genned locations with bosses & encounters & what not.

Alinhbo_Tyaka wrote: »

AltanasAExcalibur wrote: »

Vrienda wrote: »

Aaaand my interest is gone. Cutting a dungeon and story DLC for an endless coop dungeon? Didn't they see how Torghast flopped for World of Warcraft?

On the other hand, the endless floor dungeon in FF14 was immensely popular and well received such that a further 2 iterations of it have been released.

I think an endless dungeon with floors that have relatively small maps (compared to ESO dungeons...) would be a good thing. Less running aimlessly around.

I didn't like those. For content that was pitched as being able to be run solo to groups of 4 I found them to be over tuned for folks who did not want to run with a group. I also didn't like the parallel leveling, progress and gear systems. If ESO is implementing something similar to that where the endless dungeons are a side game I will be skipping Necrom just as I did High Isle.

You do realize that the endless dungeon is not part of Necrom, but will be the 4th quarter new system, right?

Dragonlord573 wrote: »

Me and the bois on our way to fight in an endless dungeon for 14 hours straight

Amen. What an awesome concept. I hope they do it right lol. Kind of reminds me of that movie "Labyrinth".

They could even do like a PvP map with this and I'll suite up my DK in Minotaur Heavy and sit there for hours and chase ppl around. It'll be great.

1 dung even on normal is already too much most of the time

It intrigued me for sure. But by the time that comes out Soulframe will be playable. And Soulframe is literally procedurally generated dungeons going into the earth and the overland being the hub world. And I'll be playing Soulframe for sure. I know ESO will not come close to it.

Jusey1 wrote: »

So, Dungeoneer from RuneScape perhaps? I'm on board with that.

I hope so! That is a very good example of how these types of content can be done right.

fizzylu wrote: »

And that's the funniest part; these features in the other MMOs that have them are not even popular.

They're very popular in FF14. Whereas WoW's version was mostly detested. So it will all come down to implementation.

Personally, it's the one thing from the announcements that I'm most interested in, but I could still go either way on it. If they can find a way to keep it feeling overly repetitive and samey, then great. And if it works well, then rolling out similar endless adventures to locations like the depths of Valenwood, or the sands of the Ailk'r and canyons of the Dak'fron in Hammerfell... yeah, I can probably get behind that.

• The new class? Thanks, but I don't like edgy evil themes permeating everything my character does. Good news for necro fans though I guess? Nice alt character there.
• Apocrypha? Great for the daedra fans! I'm not one of them though. I'm here for Tamriel. Still haven't started the Deadlands questline, and there's a good chance I never will.
• The Telvanni Peninsula? This seems to be the first time they're copy/pasting existing assets rather than creating new region biomes. There's some amazing lore for unique environments in the Telvanni Peninsula (though bizarrely, they aren't including much of the Telvanni Peninsula in this release, and Necrom is Indoril lands, not Telvanni lands), but they're just making it look exactly like Vvardenfell's east coast

That asset reuse also raises concerns about the level of investment they're putting into ESO going forwards. Vvardenfell didn't reuse existing Morrowind assets. Summerset didn't reuse the Auridon assets. Greymoor didn't reuse the eastern Skyrim assets etc.

So while I'm genuinely happy for all the players who are excited about this Chapter, and I'm no stranger to waiting for a sale on the Chapters that don't excite me personally, this one has me a little concerned about what state ESO is in, and I get the feeling I'll be waiting until this time next year for the 2024 Chapter reveal before I can get a good idea about this game's future. 2024 is the 10 year anniversary for ESO, so if they aren't going big for next year, then it's clearly game over. And by the same token, if they are going big for next year, that might explain why they're relying on asset reuse so heavily this year, to give their artists more time working on next year's assets.

From what I've seen so far, this DLC looks half finished with not much thought put into it. Seeing how there seems to be little information available (unlike past announcements) it appears that the developers are fishing the forums for information on what to expand on. What exactly are is the player base expecting, etc. Hold off with this DLC purchase until all the information is available. U35 destroyed the game for me & so far from what I've seen, the lack of available details/information is not enough to bring me & my money back.

ACamaroGuy wrote: »

From what I've seen so far, this DLC looks half finished with not much thought put into it. Seeing how there seems to be little information available (unlike past announcements) it appears that the developers are fishing the forums for information on what to expand on. What exactly are is the player base expecting, etc. Hold off with this DLC purchase until all the information is available. U35 destroyed the game for me & so far from what I've seen, the lack of available details/information is not enough to bring me & my money back.

Q4 update, which is when this dungeon is coming, is almost never even close to ready this far in advance for details. This may be the earliest we have ever gotten details about the Q4 update.

And as far as Chapter updated information for Q2, this is pretty much on par with the same amount of information for the chapter we get in January every year.

And in a few hours, we will have a ton of info on the Q1 update, as well as the likely Monday PTS Notes.

alternatelder wrote: »

If this ends up as some kind of co-op challenging content, like a mini trial/arena type thing, I will be pretty disappointed we lost a zone of content for something I doubt many people will even play.

Yeah, players have been begging for years for shorter versions of Dragonstar Arena, Maelstrom Arena, etc. I can't remember a single time that anyone has asked for longer arenas. But that seems to be exactly what we are getting.

Darkstorne wrote: »

They're very popular in FF14. Whereas WoW's version was mostly detested. So it will all come down to implementation.

I don't know a single soul that does Palace of the Dead endgame. Most who use it do so for leveling and that's it.... so to me, yeah, it's not a "popular" feature. Not hated and disliked like WoW's Torghast, but not "loved" to the point of being a reason why people choose to play FFXIV or log in every day.

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Alinhbo_Tyaka wrote: »

Historically new systems, skills, etc require the latest chapter to be able to access them and that would be Necrom.

2023 is different, though. As I understand it, the Q3 improvements and Q4 new system will be available to everyone, not part of a DLC or chapter. That's why some ESO Plus subscribers feel that their subscriptions are going to be losing value this year.

I expected the Q3 stuff to be across the board since it is suppose to fix and improve existing game functions/code. If ZOS comes through on their promise I think, and believe most players will agree, it is worth the one time loss of a dungeon DCL.

If Q4 does turn out to be across the board that lessens my already low interest in buying Necrom and just doing what I am for High Isle. That is waiting for it to become a DLC and subscribe to ESO+ for a month to play through the content. As I said I will make my decision once ZOS decides to tell us what the infinite dungeon really is and who will be able to access it.

The way I interpreted the lessened value of ESO+ was more along the lines that ZOS always released a new zone DLC but this time around we are getting a dungeon instead. Depending upon one's perspective and what type of content they like no new zone could be a pretty big letdown.