SeñorCinco wrote: »

Hrithmus wrote: »

I love when they camp. Gets me the Kill, achievement, loot and gold. What is not to love?

Really? You pay a script for others to do the job for you?

Man... I'm glad I still enjoy playing games.

Your right silly me. I should make the perfect party. Wait 35 minutes to find a healer. Go in the dungeon. Have someone afk for 5 minutes. Kill the public dungeon boss and call it a day. Man, that sounds super fun.

I would rather, get my achievement, kill the boss in under 15 seconds. Get my loot and gold and never go back in that dungeon again.

Sound good?

Ragnar_Lodbrok wrote: »

OP would rather ban good people than work with them SMH.

I'm not entirely sure the term "good people" should be used to describe botters to have 4-6 toons stacked on a spawn. If something isn't done about it I won't be a paying subscriber. They won't miss my money, but at least I'm voting with it.

otomodachi wrote: »

Chomag wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Yes we are for real. In MMOs you have to deal with other people all the time. Unless its afk botting I dont see a prob with killing the same boss over and over.

Dude, please stop zosdroning, it's getting pretty awkward.

@jamesharv2005ub17_ESO‌ Oooh snap! Would you care to comment on how one manages to have so many comments, and yet so few total points?

I dont know what you mean by points but the fact is most people here are bitter bitter people. Misery loves company. Im not in this for a popularity contest and to jump on the whole ZOS needs to control every little issue in the game. Learn to play nice with others you might not have as many problems.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

otomodachi wrote: »

Chomag wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

Yes we are for real. In MMOs you have to deal with other people all the time. Unless its afk botting I dont see a prob with killing the same boss over and over.

Dude, please stop zosdroning, it's getting pretty awkward.

@jamesharv2005ub17_ESO‌ Oooh snap! Would you care to comment on how one manages to have so many comments, and yet so few total points?

I dont know what you mean by points but the fact is most people here are bitter bitter people. Misery loves company. Im not in this for a popularity contest and to jump on the whole ZOS needs to control every little issue in the game. Learn to play nice with others you might not have as many problems.

Ditto my friend! May the sands always warm your feet!

Turelus wrote: »

Personally I don't want to see the timer any more than ten minutes with my personal taste being five minutes.

Five is just enough time to make killing it every respawn not yield results but not so long as to force players looking for the names blue items they drop to leave and comeback constantly.

Yeah, basically THAT is what they are trying to address. I'm sure they'll TRY to do it in a way that won't disrupt the legitimate campers. but I'm not sure how.

While I do agree camping is annoying (and even admit to doing it a bit myself, sorry) and somewhat exploitative, it is within the parameters of the game. It's also immersion breaking and unchallenging when you are trying to tackle a boss solo and 2-3 people come running up to end the fight in seconds.

The best way to stop this from happening would be to mark the mob as "completed" on the first kill. After that you can still kill the boss but you will get minimal exp for it and ZERO items (they can keep the token amount of gold dropped ). Exp and good loot are why 99% of the people are camping. Get rid of those incentives and the problem will go away.

PlagueMonk wrote: »

While I do agree camping is annoying (and even admit to doing it a bit myself, sorry) and somewhat exploitative, it is within the parameters of the game. It's also immersion breaking and unchallenging when you are trying to tackle a boss solo and 2-3 people come running up to end the fight in seconds.

The best way to stop this from happening would be to mark the mob as "completed" on the first kill. After that you can still kill the boss but you will get minimal exp for it and ZERO items (they can keep the token amount of gold dropped ). Exp and good loot are why 99% of the people are camping. Get rid of those incentives and the problem will go away.

The problem then is players who don't get the unique named blue item each ones drops on their first attempt would never get another shot at it.
Five to ten minutes should be enough to stop the constant camping and bots but still leave them open to be farmed for people who want to. If you look at the world boss spawns they have fixed ten minute timers and ZOS seem happy with those as they're not being added to the loot timer, so if we can just have a timer in line with those both will be farmable and give players the option to find items just not exploit the rapid respawning they have now.

I spent 4 straight days in the EQ dungeon 'Guk to get some item. Forgot the item but the spawn was something like 27 or 37 minutes. Friends would drop by to visit and camp with me. Strangers would roll by and we would group. Camping in this game was made too dam easy.

As noted in the quote below there is plenty of gaming industry precedence. This is 2014 yet they are making the same mistakes you have seen in games over and over again for over a decade. These mistakes later get patched using all kinds of solutions which are littered across many games and many years. Why devs the same mistakes, why?

bochiraneb17_ESO wrote: »

Are you guys for real ?

So having 7-8 botters in EACH dungeon at EACH boss just auto attacking continuously for 24/7 to get that 1 gold from the boss again and again is what you call normal gameplay ?

Is it really that difficult to cut the problem from the roots and just script the mobs to give NO loots whatsoever. Keep them just for the achievement or something or be smart like Arenanet and script the mob to give you loots only every 24 hours. That will take the botters job a LOT harder and they will give up eventually.

But to say just to ignore them and get the update by just randomly hitting the mob once is just a great way to play an mmo. Why not get the update when you enter the dungeon or better still just clicking on it on the map ?....doh

How would a 5-10 minutes timer work? You'd just have 5-10 mins worth of players backed-up waiting to get a hit in on the boss. It'd be worse than it is now.

pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »

How would a 5-10 minutes timer work? You'd just have 5-10 mins worth of players backed-up waiting to get a hit in on the boss. It'd be worse than it is now.

There are many solutions out there from other games that have encountered similar problems. If they are competent they will apply the appropriate one.

Nyxx wrote: »

No wonder innocent people are getting randomly banned. Nice to know that if I decide to spend five minutes killing a boss for some xp or loot, I might get reported by some whiny lunatics.

The reporters are not the lunatics. Camping a boss is, by definition, an exploit. If you don't want to risk being reported than don't do it.

People can try to spin it all they want to but in the end it hinders gameplay for others. That's all it is to it. I see protest coming from reporters. I see whining coming from supporters because they have to actually put an effort into doing something.

Anyone that is pro boss camps is by proxy supporting bots as well. Both are detrimental to gameplay.

SeñorCinco wrote: »

Nyxx wrote: »

No wonder innocent people are getting randomly banned. Nice to know that if I decide to spend five minutes killing a boss for some xp or loot, I might get reported by some whiny lunatics.

The reporters are not the lunatics. Camping a boss is, by definition, an exploit. If you don't want to risk being reported than don't do it.

People can try to spin it all they want to but in the end it hinders gameplay for others. That's all it is to it. I see protest coming from reporters. I see whining coming from supporters because they have to actually put an effort into doing something.

Anyone that is pro boss camps is by proxy supporting bots as well. Both are detrimental to gameplay.

HandofBane wrote: »

SeñorCinco wrote: »

Nyxx wrote: »

No wonder innocent people are getting randomly banned. Nice to know that if I decide to spend five minutes killing a boss for some xp or loot, I might get reported by some whiny lunatics.

The reporters are not the lunatics. Camping a boss is, by definition, an exploit. If you don't want to risk being reported than don't do it.

....
Wow

So by your definition there, anyone "camping" for a vampire or werewolf spawn so they can get bitten/scratched is exploiting if they keep coming back because they didn't get it the first time around? Did you even think your argument through or just like throwing the word exploit around?

Guys, come on, settle down. One is maybe frustrated, the other maybe not. People camping for drops won't even matter much once the bot packs are gone. I promise. Once campers are people you can talk to, and just there to get the item, the boss areas will clear up a bit and it'll go back to the experience of hailing and wassailing hearty aid against the scourgeous dastard afore you.

As has often been said (even by the campers themselves), it can be hard to differentiate between a camper and a bot. So if the in-game behaviour of campers closely resembles that of the universally reviled scripted bots then yes, there is a problem (at several levels).

Farming Bosses = Good

Okay, the actual Farming = Bad...
But if you go to a boss spawn (beyond the 10-15 zones) you'll find that in most cases, the players lingering at the boss spawns... Discounting the Bots that are always there as well.. are pleasant, and in high spirits.

Maybe they are just glad for conversation to break the tedium of repeatedly killing the same thing.... but I find myself wanting to linger just for the chats.

Getting a couple of extra soul gems doesn't hurt either.
I refuse to actively farm a boss, they designed the exp system to specifically avoid having us Grind and have reduced the boss's loot already to try to keep us moving around - but the mechanic they decided on to Spawn the bosses (each new character entering a given range, the first time they enter after entering the dungeon) means you'll often have another one spawn before you can loot the one you just killed.



Some people get their enjoyment from the game in opening a corpse to see what the loot is.. the gambler factor.


As to Boss-Farming harming the economy..
#1 - there really is no economy yet.
#2 - Boss drops are Lower quality than the drops of the random mobs.

Try it some time. Go find a boss in a dungeon with decent traffic (faster spawn) - and kill the boss for a bit. Take note of how much green+ loot you get.

Now kill everything else in the dungeon, and compare.

The bosses drop far more total items, but the quality is Less likely to be 'magic item' green or higher.

They gave an official answer to boss camping and reporting boss farmers.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/655920#Comment_655920