A way to make the PVE portion of Cyrodiil more bearable without impacting PVP too much

Numerikuu · September 2018

Every single MMO I've ever played that mixed PvE with PvP (PvEvP) never ended well. In the end the majority of them introduced PvP locks for the PvEr's since the game would become so toxic it would cause people to quit, or turn people off from ever trying it. Aion was the last one I played to do this, though it was far too little, too late. Asmodian faction side was in shambles. Game ended up completely unbalanced factionwise and many, many servers ended up being shut down or merged to 'try' and salvage it. Thank god ESO kept PvEvP to a small area, or the same thing would have happened.

People play games to escape the stress of the real world. Last thing they need is stress playing a game they enjoy. I hope that one day they make a PvE channel for Cyrodiil, because honestly? All the people that would flock there just to do the quests are people you PvPers and gankers never, ever run into anyway, so no loss on your end.

P.S: Can I have a cuppa?

AcadianPaladin · September 2018

I love the classic feel of 'medieval fantasy' zones - like most of the original alliance zones. Not so much the mushroom fog of Morrowind or the steampunk of Clockwork. . . The terrain and scope of Cyrodiil fits this perfectly - like the Gold Coast does. I also miss peacefully exploring familiar Oblivion haunts - my character was born in Bravil back in 2009 (TES IV).

I am a PvE player who simply (and without complaint) goes into Cyrodiil to get Vigor and Caltrops on my stam characters, then avoids the place. I don't care about skyshards, Cyrodiil quests or achievements but I would, again, love to peacefully explore Cyrodiil.

I have long proposed an additional instance of Cyrodiil that is PvE only. Keeps me out of the way of PvPers and lets me explore in peace.

Raammzzaa · September 2018

The reason I am not supportive of this idea is because I want to play the campaign, which is my favorite content to do with my friends, in a game I paid for, every day. I do not want to wait 1 - 3 days so that you don’t have to fight other players.

VaranisArano · September 2018

Valrien · September 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

This is one of the older necros I've seen

BigBragg · September 2018

I am genuinely curious, why are some people so concerned with doing the questing in Cyrodiil if you don't like PvP?

Also there are enough skill points and sky shards in the rest of the game to skip the map entirely, including your dedicated crafter.

Sygil05 · September 2018

I'm not a fan of this idea, primarily because it creates way too much dead time within Cyrodiil, some of which would occur during prime playing times (the weekend). Personally, PVP is absolutely boring if keeps/resources are not able to change hands, and I can't be the only one that thinks this way.

Part of the challenge of completing those quests/skyshards/achievements in Cyrodiil is the other players that you may run across. Not having the handful of achievements/skyshards does not really handicap you in any way in the PVE aspects of the game, and dumbing down the difficulty of getting the quest/skyshard/achievement is no different than PVP players asking for VMA and Trials to be made significantly easier so that PVP players can easily get the end game gear that drops there.

idk · September 2018

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

It is a choice to do the quests or not. The PvE content in cyrodiil is not required. If one wants to do them they should the appropriate risks involved which means possible PvP.

Yes, I've completed all the Quests on one character and killed more players I the process than killed me. May have been killed once in that process. Just be smart and diligent.

I get that there's a way of doing things, and I understand that doing the quests, skyshards and stuff is not mandatory. I just believe that if there's PVE content, it should be just as difficult as the rest of the PVE content in the game.

You know what? It is. It's just as difficult as the rest of the PVE content. You know why the fact that it's in a PVP zone makes it different? Because getting ganked by other players is an INCONVENIENCE. Getting sent back to the wayshrine, having to run all the way back there and such is an INCONVENIENCE.

There's a huge difference between something being difficult and something being downright annoying. ESO has a habit of being annoying rather than difficult.

The level of difficulty is just fine in Cyrodiil, the annoyance is what makes doing PVE in Cyrodiil un-enjoyable. It's something that I believe should be changed in order to remain consistent.

If you're not trying to do PVP related stuff, then I believe the inconveniences associated with PVP shouldn't apply.

You have yet to say something compelling. Your merely saying it is inconvenient for you and that’s insufficient.

As I said, I’ve done all those quests. I actually found. It more fun. Yanked a few players doing the quests while I was at it plus helps a few that were getting by gamked. I’ve also done the quests we can get from areas outside of the quest hubs.

It was a blast and a great idea Zos had the place PvE quests inside the PvP area. It should and likely will stay as it is.

catfedfarsil · September 2018

TequilaFire wrote: »

OP you are overlooking the fact that the achievements obtained by completing content in Cyrodiil are intended to require experiencing the PvP portion of the game. If they made it so you could do the content with PvP disabled it should be that you don't get credit for those achievements unless you complete them when PvP is enabled. Kind of like a normal or veteran dungeon.

Of course. It is fair. Basically all I do in ESO is exploration, and enjoy the lore, so I don't care about PVP achiviements.

Ok, ok, this is 2015 discussion, but the new IC event is now, so, bring up the older too.

Have fun!

catfedfarsil · September 2018

VaranisArano wrote: »

Why TF did you decide to NECRO this from NOVEMBER 2015 instead of discussing it on the current thread?

Current thread: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/434151/pvp-opt-out-for-imperial-city#latest

Many thaanks VaranisArano for point out the current discussion.

Have fun!

LonePirate · September 2018

I think adding a PVE only “Truce” campaign where nothing can be sieged or captured, no players can be killed, no AP is earned for anything and XP earned is reduced by 50% or more is a viable solution here. If the risk is greatly reduced, so should the rewards.

idk · September 2018

LonePirate wrote: »

I think adding a PVE only “Truce” campaign where nothing can be sieged or captured, no players can be killed, no AP is earned for anything and XP earned is reduced by 50% or more is a viable solution here. If the risk is greatly reduced, so should the rewards.

Cyrodiil is the only zone with PvP in it out of the entire base game and here we have some say that to much for them.

Yes, it be done all the quests. Yes I was careful but that was half the fun. I saw very little PvP and can’t recall dying to it

Zos has purposefully chosen to put PvP players into PvE situations by making them do dungeons for undaunted passives ans more.

Zos has also purposefully chosen to put PvE only players into PvP by placing ritually required skills for tanks, healers and stam dps into Cyrodiil with Warhorn, purge and more.

In other words, Zos isn’t going to make a PvE only Cyrodiil instance as the purposefully put those PvE quests into the only vaae gake PvP zone and no one here has given them good reason to change their original design on the matter.

Keileon · September 2018

As a completionist who only rarely does PvP (and even then just Battlegrounds) and puzzled over how the hell to get the Skyshard past the Dominion gate, I wholly support the idea of either an intermission or a PvE campaign. Special titles and such are one thing, but getting 2/3 of a skill point shouldn't be so much of a pain.

Hurtfan · September 2018

Cool, then dungeons should have cool down days. All the mobs will be dormant or asleep and I can just walk up to the last boss and take the monster helm from him and be on my merry way.

I'm a PvP junkie, I don't want to wait 3 days for a 30 day campaign to reset. I wouldn't play ESO those days unless I had something to farm in PvE, to be used in PvP.

Deep_01 · September 2018

Hire or befriend one or two decent pvpers. Worst case scenario, they rez you after the ganker(s) kill you.

Casul · September 2018

People must be wearing neon armor with rainbow weapons to get as much attention as they are in PvP. When I ran through to get all my delves, skyshards, lorebooks, etc I only got jumped in about 2 delves and only got attacked above ground when I ran directly at an enemy. If you just play smart and keep a low profile I don’t think these problems really exist at the magnitude people say they do. Also I was a stamina warden for reference, so no panic cloak.

Starlock · September 2018

I would certainly love the idea of a PvP-free Cyrodiil zone, but I haven't had many bad experiences going into Cyrodiil to do things like delves and skyshard collections. I recently went to collect all the skyshards I could on my artificer, and barely ran into any other players. When I did, this is what happened:

In one instance, my artificer skittered up to an active dolmen to find a player of a different alliance fighting it. They were low level, equipped with a restoration staff. What did I do? I helped them. I avoided using any of my AoEs, and checked my targeting twice before activating snipe on the daedric targets. That made it very obvious to them I had no interest in PvP, even though I could have wiped the floor with them. We finished it together, gathered goods from the chest, bowed politely, and went about our respective ways.

In a second instance, I heard sounds of combat in a delve I was in. I crouched in a quiet corner to watch an player of a different alliance come in. They had pretty much no PvP rank, and I watched them a while to determine their intent. It became pretty obvious they were there for the same reason I was - to clear the delve and get the skyshard. So I emerged from hiding, helped snipe the enemies they were fighting, again double checking my targeting so I wouldn't accidentally hit them. There too, we finished the delve together - even beat on the bosses together - and then parted ways amiably.

The only times I've had players mess with me while doing PvE stuff in Cyrodiil was during the anniversary event. There, you'd have some inevitable %^%*& wads disrupting people trying to grind for boxes, but even that was fairly uncommon.

Hippie4927 · September 2018

Azurephoenix999 wrote: »

robkrush wrote: »

Cyrodiil is PVP. Period.

Cyrodiil has PVE content in it, therefore it is not 100% PVP.

Cyrodiil is a PVP area. Therefore, all content in Cyrodiil is PVP content.

I don't know why so many people cry about going to Cyrodiil. I am not a PVP'er. I go in my light divines. But I have done the entire map.......all delves, dolmens, skyshards, discovered every POI, quested, and fished. While there, I do scouting reports, take resources, and sometimes run with a group and take keeps. I have died A LOT but had so much fun. What I haven't done, is expect to be left alone like I'm in a PVE area.

If you really don't like PVP, stay out of Cyrodiil and Imperial City. JMO for what it's worth.

xxthir13enxx · September 2018

I’m legit amazed at the idea someone actually went through the Forums far enough to find 2015.....
Did they make it back okay!?

Acharnor · September 2018

I have to say getting those skyshards behind enemy gates was some of the most exciting gameplay I have had in this game. I had to be patient and wait for an opportunity, be sneaky and smart. I am fine leaving these and other pve elements locked behind a pvp gate.

Urvoth · September 2018

With this logic, we should be able to buy Asylum and Master weapons with AP...

JumpmanLane · September 2018

Embrace the fact that it’s PvP and be prepared to fight other players. Doing quests isn’t hard in Cyrodiil. It’s even fun. You get to kill other players. I was farming MATS the other day when the map was so boring.

If you can’t be bothered to run a PvP build your n Cyro and don’t want to fight other players, you can’t really care complain. Ganking is not that big of a deal once you get to the point you can 1v1. (Though there’s some great solo nightblades out there for sure).

Just yesterday I got ganked by some cp 1100 guy on the porch at Sej. It’s ran right back out there 1v1ed the guy and KILLED him. (And my DK Crushy ain’t max cp lol...but CLOSE).

Fight don’t cry.

karekiz · September 2018

Cyrodil PvE portion is

Just really bad anyway.

Reistr_the_Unbroken · September 2018

I’d gladly have this OP! I really don’t care about PvP, but apparently jerks on this site HAVE TO SHOVE IT DOWN YOUR THROAT. Seriously it gets so annoying seeing “it’s PvP” 20 times!

xxthir13enxx · September 2018

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

I’d gladly have this OP! I really don’t care about PvP, but apparently jerks on this site HAVE TO SHOVE IT DOWN YOUR THROAT. Seriously it gets so annoying seeing “it’s PvP” 20 times!

But.....it’s PvP......

Thalmor-Nordmaster · September 2018

JumpmanLane · September 2018

xxthir13enxx wrote: »

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

I’d gladly have this OP! I really don’t care about PvP, but apparently jerks on this site HAVE TO SHOVE IT DOWN YOUR THROAT. Seriously it gets so annoying seeing “it’s PvP” 20 times!

But.....it’s PvP......

And...er...it’s PVP! Lol

ezio45 · September 2018

best way would be to give a way to opt out with its on pop count

JumpmanLane · September 2018

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

I’d gladly have this OP! I really don’t care about PvP, but apparently jerks on this site HAVE TO SHOVE IT DOWN YOUR THROAT. Seriously it gets so annoying seeing “it’s PvP” 20 times!

PvP is just another part of the game. Questing in Cyrodiil isn’t hard or a chore. You just need to learn to PvP.

By entering Cyro you are pvping. What you’re basically saying is I want to PvP without having to actually PVP!

If you or anybody sets foot into Cyrodiil on a faction other than mine I’m going to try to kill you. I don’t care if you’re questing. I don’t care if you’re farming. I REALLY don’t care that if you’re only there for the event. I’ll farm you for the AP and your telvar and not give it a second thought.

kargen27 · September 2018

I don't like the idea because PvP needs new players coming in to remain vibrant. These new players more often than not are ones who are experiencing PvP for the first time because of an event or PvE objective. Allowing players to skip the PvP part of Cyrodiil or Imperial City to do the PvE content would in the long run be detrimental to PvP.

That said it is also detrimental to PvP for experienced PvP'rs to actively seek out players that are obviously there to do a PvE related activity and pop them for the easy kill. If you catch them flipping a flag then fair game. Standing talking to a quest giver not so much.

Others in the past have asked for a separate instance for PvE and I was/am against that for the same reason as above. This idea is worse than the separate server idea because it actually takes away the biggest chunk of PvP related content 10% of the time. Think of the uproar that would take place if ZoS announced one weekend every month there would be no trials no pledges and no questing so all the players could run around killing each other. From a PvP'rs perspective that is what you are asking for.

I'm saying I don't like the idea of separating PvE from PvP in Cyrodiil in any way because it would not be good for the game. There is a reason why skills earned in PvP are good for PvE and armor earned in PvE is good for PvP. It is good for the game to entice players into experiencing more aspects of the game. Putting PvE content in a PvP zone introduces players to PvP that might otherwise never try it. Some of those players decide to stick around.