This is just asking to kill the games population as most people are DPS and it's very fun to do and actually improves combat by adding some sort of skill added to it than pressing a button, Secondly for the people complaining "I don't know how to do it" stop being lazy and google it or search it on YouTube and if you can't even do something as simple as that well your really lazy and have no accomplishments what so ever and I quote that as a non literal comment for the keyboard warrior's out there, Thirdly you would have to re-wright the entire game causing more wait times for new content there for screwing ZOS even more.

I don't like block casting
I don't like perma block
I don't like shield spammers
but most importantly I don't think they should be removed because I don't like them.

dday3six wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Stop with the bs about people leaving . None of you addicts ever leave , you just threaten too . I'm convinced even if arrested and sent to jail , some of you would still find a way to log in .

This is what you are sounding like ...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KUuaOzM5ltk

I think you're critically underestimating how different the game would play without animation canceling. Remember it would not be just skills, but every action that would be changed. For example, the game cannot be programmed in a way that AC cannot happen but reactive blocking and dodging can. So even for people who don't regularly weave attacks, the game would function differently. Suddenly they'd be 'caught' in the animation of actions and find themselves unable to block or dodge as they normally would. That is a stark transition, that I highly doubt would just be overlooked.

One of the biggest problems with ESO is the reliance solely on TES franchise fandom, at times even at the expense of quality. Thinking so called 'addicts' would just overlook the game playing radically different, falls into that same trap.

Like it or not, but the removal of AC means a complete reworking of character actions. It is not something which can just happen, with nothing else in the game changing.

There are tons of players that play without animation canceling right now . I've been in groups with them . It's no big deal . For trials guilds doing speed runs , it would cause a hissy fit . Would they all leave ? Where would they go ? Who knows , but it is not a game breaker . Trial times would have to be reset to adjust for the change , that's it .

PVP players , same thing . They would whine . Threatening to leave . Do they ever leave ? I see the same ones from launch still here after saying this is the last straw a dozen times .

It would not be the end of the game . I can animation cancel faster then most people with no hot keys at all . I kill players even on gimpy Magblade pretty fast but I would fine if I couldn't do that anymore .

The number one reason ganks are so bad from stealth is because how many attacks I can get in with AC before the target can even react . It's not even fair for them most of the time .

I would rather lose one mechanism then continue this route and watch nerf after nerf .

This might sound like a dumb question, but here goes...

How do I know IF I am animation cancelling? With the lag I have due to a) my distance to the EU server and b) my crappy ADSL2+ broadband connection I have no idea.


I know the 'theory' of how to weave - LA- Ability A - LA - Ability B etc. For example, when I play on my Mag Sorc I will sometimes cast Crystal Frag when I see it's ready to cast - but then when I hit the button to use it, it doesn't immediately fire, I get the whole animation instead. (Not sure if this is a bug.) As we know, there's a 2 (?) second cast time. But when I interrupt the cast animation with a light attack, I don't see any number come up for the Frag, only for the LA.
??

dday3six wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Stop with the bs about people leaving . None of you addicts ever leave , you just threaten too . I'm convinced even if arrested and sent to jail , some of you would still find a way to log in .

This is what you are sounding like ...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KUuaOzM5ltk

I think you're critically underestimating how different the game would play without animation canceling. Remember it would not be just skills, but every action that would be changed. For example, the game cannot be programmed in a way that AC cannot happen but reactive blocking and dodging can. So even for people who don't regularly weave attacks, the game would function differently. Suddenly they'd be 'caught' in the animation of actions and find themselves unable to block or dodge as they normally would. That is a stark transition, that I highly doubt would just be overlooked.

One of the biggest problems with ESO is the reliance solely on TES franchise fandom, at times even at the expense of quality. Thinking so called 'addicts' would just overlook the game playing radically different, falls into that same trap.

Like it or not, but the removal of AC means a complete reworking of character actions. It is not something which can just happen, with nothing else in the game changing.

There are tons of players that play without animation canceling right now . I've been in groups with them . It's no big deal . For trials guilds doing speed runs , it would cause a hissy fit . Would they all leave ? Where would they go ? Who knows , but it is not a game breaker . Trial times would have to be reset to adjust for the change , that's it .

PVP players , same thing . They would whine . Threatening to leave . Do they ever leave ? I see the same ones from launch still here after saying this is the last straw a dozen times .

It would not be the end of the game . I can animation cancel faster then most people with no hot keys at all . I kill players even on gimpy Magblade pretty fast but I would fine if I couldn't do that anymore .

The number one reason ganks are so bad from stealth is because how many attacks I can get in with AC before the target can even react . It's not even fair for them most of the time .

I would rather lose one mechanism then continue this route and watch nerf after nerf .

Everyone Animation Cancels, but not everyone weaves to string actions together. Thinking otherwise is not understanding what all Animation Canceling does in relationship to the game. Use a skill then block an incoming attack. Sounds simple, but without AC, the animation of the skill must play out completely before a block can be done. Dodging works the same way.

If your gripe with AC has to do with ganking, you're failing to realize two important things. First AC helps the person being ganked via more actions per second, and overtime. Then ganking is an issue because of the massive PVP landscape more than anything else.

I'm not failing to realize what AC can and cannot do to support a target being ganked . A good gank will cc and and stun the target so they have no option to react upon the initial assault . If during that window I can land more attacks with AC before that player can breakfree , it's lights out for the target . AC always benefits the ganker , if they are good .

That's also more attacks with stealth damage bonus thanks to AC . If you've ever been hit by @SRIBES , you would know there is very little time to react from a ganker that can weave AC skillfully .

Still haven't seen any parses showing AC and non-AC fights.

Nifty2g wrote: »

Bramir wrote: »

Too dependent on ping. Get rid of it.

@Bramir That some kind of joke? I play with 300+ ping and have no issues with animation cancelling

If you have as steady 400ms ping you won't notice it.

If it jumps from 90 to 200 and back and forth, it gets tougher. And many of us have to go through a router that causes issues.

As for this topic, I think they would lose so many players if they got rid of this dynamic playstyle

That's sensationalizing. No one bought the game because it had animation canceling. If it went away people would complain, but since it would affect everyone in the same manner, it would quickly be forgotten.

At least until some bads wipe on a DPS check somewhere.

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

Bramir wrote: »

Too dependent on ping. Get rid of it.

^This. 'Nuff said.

Why aren't ZoS admitting that it's their design flaw and they are too incompetent to fix it since launch?

Before any butthurt players go on the offense to tell me off that I should practice AC, know that you're just wasting your breath (and typing energy!). I can safely say that I am very well-versed with how AC works and I am able to translate that into higher and consistent DPS on each and every one of my character.

Now for players residing in the States and the immediate neighbouring countries have little to no problem at all when executing AC but that is not the case for us players from the Oceanic region and the neighbouring regions that are far away from the States. Typical ping rate for Oceanic players, and I believe I speak for the most of us, is somewhere around 250-310ms on good days. To add, ZoS's servers aren't the most reliable when it comes to stable connections and that will effectively make it very difficult for us to AC.
In contrast, players from the States have a typical ping range between 20-90ms.
Let that sink in.

do they, now?

it's odd, i've got a 15-21 ping to dallas, but with eso mine is never under 100 and in pvp it runs 150-200+ all the time.

go figure.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

dday3six wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Stop with the bs about people leaving . None of you addicts ever leave , you just threaten too . I'm convinced even if arrested and sent to jail , some of you would still find a way to log in .

This is what you are sounding like ...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KUuaOzM5ltk

I think you're critically underestimating how different the game would play without animation canceling. Remember it would not be just skills, but every action that would be changed. For example, the game cannot be programmed in a way that AC cannot happen but reactive blocking and dodging can. So even for people who don't regularly weave attacks, the game would function differently. Suddenly they'd be 'caught' in the animation of actions and find themselves unable to block or dodge as they normally would. That is a stark transition, that I highly doubt would just be overlooked.

One of the biggest problems with ESO is the reliance solely on TES franchise fandom, at times even at the expense of quality. Thinking so called 'addicts' would just overlook the game playing radically different, falls into that same trap.

Like it or not, but the removal of AC means a complete reworking of character actions. It is not something which can just happen, with nothing else in the game changing.

There are tons of players that play without animation canceling right now . I've been in groups with them . It's no big deal . For trials guilds doing speed runs , it would cause a hissy fit . Would they all leave ? Where would they go ? Who knows , but it is not a game breaker . Trial times would have to be reset to adjust for the change , that's it .

PVP players , same thing . They would whine . Threatening to leave . Do they ever leave ? I see the same ones from launch still here after saying this is the last straw a dozen times .

It would not be the end of the game . I can animation cancel faster then most people with no hot keys at all . I kill players even on gimpy Magblade pretty fast but I would fine if I couldn't do that anymore .

The number one reason ganks are so bad from stealth is because how many attacks I can get in with AC before the target can even react . It's not even fair for them most of the time .

I would rather lose one mechanism then continue this route and watch nerf after nerf .

Everyone Animation Cancels, but not everyone weaves to string actions together. Thinking otherwise is not understanding what all Animation Canceling does in relationship to the game. Use a skill then block an incoming attack. Sounds simple, but without AC, the animation of the skill must play out completely before a block can be done. Dodging works the same way.

If your gripe with AC has to do with ganking, you're failing to realize two important things. First AC helps the person being ganked via more actions per second, and overtime. Then ganking is an issue because of the massive PVP landscape more than anything else.

I'm not failing to realize what AC can and cannot do to support a target being ganked . A good gank will cc and and stun the target so they have no option to react upon the initial assault . If during that window I can land more attacks with AC before that player can breakfree , it's lights out for the target . AC always benefits the ganker , if they are good .

That's also more attacks with stealth damage bonus thanks to AC . If you've ever been hit by @SRIBES , you would know there is very little time to react from a ganker that can weave AC skillfully .

So what facilities a gank more? Is it that AC makes ganking more effective or is it gankers have a massive area to prowl which affords them more opportunities catch a player alone?

Mojmir wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Mojmir wrote: »

I wouldn't miss it and I don't mind it either way,but is not intended. Welcome to the"grey area"

No longer the grey area since Devs have blessed it. Just like those calling it an exploit are clearly incorrect. Can call it that all someone desires, does not make it correct.

Blessing my ass,lol. Just like anything else that's broken, they have no clue how too fix it,so it's a "feature". It's also part of the reason we can blow through there content so fast and achieve insane dps. Then they add cp's,also arguably a mistake they introduced. Don't get me wrong I use AC,keep it or leave makes no difference too me.ill adapt and survive, but good luck to all the "over achievers" who now rely on it.

Man I respect you as a forum user, I've agreed with many of your posts over time, but I really don't get your stance on this one. If you regularly utilise AC then surely you're also one of these "over achievers", whatever that means. Why would players currently "relying" on AC need any luck if it was removed? Surely they would still have an advantage by being used to a faster play-style? How do you differentiate between players such as yourself who utilise AC and those that you claim rely on it? Where is your line drawn between utilising and relying? This all seems very arbitrary. You're not making as much sense as I'm used to.

Iskrasfemme wrote: »

No let it stay 43%

We have 43% defending a bug!

ESO is literally degenerating.

Do you have a tactic that does not involve spreading misinformation and shaming people based on it?

Again animation canceling is not a bug, or glitch, or exploit. It's the common programming found in most action games. It allows a responsive and fluid feel for controlling the player character, particularly with concerns to movement as well as blocking and dodging. What happened was ZOS did not forsee how players would use AC for things like weaving.