LegendaryArcher wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

****Every run = 2x rewards during the event!!! Get your Maelstrom Weapons!!![/b]

Really? Why giving people false hope? 2x the cancer it is now doesn't make it better in the slightest.

People run it 300, 400, 500+ times and don't get a single usable weapon. If you want that one weapon in Sharpened, you're looking at 1000+ runs. All this event is doing is turning 1000+ into 500+. And no one will run it 500 times in 2 weeks. And even then you're likely to not get that one weapon you want.

So the solution is to never run vMA at all?

This isn't false hope. Double rewards during an event is not false hope. We have a fantastic opportunity here where our chances of getting what we want have literally been doubled.

They are still low ofc, but doubled nonetheless. And people who say they ran vMA 1000 times are lying to you. Did you know I killed Molag Kena 4,275 times exactly and still no Light armor helms dropped for me? (-_-) *hint hint

Instead of being that doom & gloom guy that everyone steers clear from to avoid getting depressed, maybe you could focus on hekping people who struggle to beat vMA get through it during a time where they can potentially fit in 15 runs and earn the rewards of 30 runs.

We have a guild in Black Desert with over 30 players that quit ESO solely because of not getting their vMA weapons after hundreds of runs (almost 50 ex-ESO players overall that quit for various reasons). Some of them didn't get a single Inferno after 1000+ runs....Overall, I know 7 people that didn't get their Inferno after 1000+ runs, but the other 3 didn't want to come with us to BDO....

....And if you're still skeptical, maybe @Sharmony can tell you about @Decado from his guild, who's still farming for a Sharpened Inferno Staff and is well beyond 1000 runs by now.

Omg..... it makes me want to cry how gullible you are

For the sake of laying things out for you, I'll do the the honors of providing the numbers:

- Orsinium launched November 2, 2015.
- Black Desert online launched March 3, 2016
- Today is November 4, 2016..... so we are talking exactly 368 days since release of Orsinium and 246 days since the release of BDO but only if we are counting up until present day, which we are not even close to according to your examples.
- There was a timespan of 123 days between the launch of Orsinium and Black Desert Online

- 1000 Maelstrom runs means a minimum of 2.72 Maelstrom runs every single day since vMA released. This is assuming we are using 1000 vMA runs for everyone rather than your even more fake "well beyond 1000+" runs statements.
- The people who quit due to vMA did not take 368 days to do it
- Between Orisinium and Black Desert online, it would've taken over 8 runs every single day to reach the numbers you are using. No breaks, no vacations, no school/work, no hanging out outside of ESO, no normal food/sleep schedule, no other content besides vMA, no getting sick or being forced away from ESO under uncontrollable circumstance, no getting tired, nothing - 4 months and 2 days of pure vMA

All in all, there is perhaps maybe a fewl people in all of ESO to break the 1000 vMA run mark, but nothing like you say, and you've been lied to and are choosing to spread these laughably blatant lies.

I'm sorry, but it is simply too difficult to have logical conversations with this type of exaggeration being taken as fact. No one is running vMA this many times. The people who said they were are lying to you and are not even hiding it, and to say you know numerous people to have done it is nonsense. I hope you learn from this post and stop being so easy to lie to

It's (insert insult here) casuals like you who got their stuff spoon-fed to them who make this game bad. Making ridiculous assumptions and insulting other players who invested a lot of lifetime in this game.

- BDO launch has nothing to do with this topic. Zero. When it launched, it was bad. Very bad. There wasn't even a bad luck protection yet, so, due to the extremely low drop chances, it was even worse than ESO. I started playing it in June (on and off, sometimes coming back to ESO for vMA; I had my last 99 runs when they implemented the 100% drop chance), while I started actively promoting BDO in ESO somewhere in the end of August and moved part of my ESO guild there in September (yes, people were still running vMA at that point).

- If you're part of the end game community, you will see that true vMA fans that are competing for the leaderboard are still running it at least 3+ times a day on different classes just for practice/tactics refinement.

- When I came back after 100% drop chance and ran vMA, 5 runs were taking me slightly more than 3 hours (like 3:10 to 3:15).

- You seem to be very communicative on the forums. However, I doubt you are in game. Are you even part of the end game community? How can you not know people that ran it 1000+ times? And by knowing I mean actually seeing it on a daily basis, discussing it with them, offering them daily runs to take a break?

- There are different kinds of competitive players. But what they all, including myself, have in common, is the desire to be the best. And if it means running vMA till your hands bleed, so be it. It might shock you, but there are many end-game players that don't work. Not so many on the casual front though. Some have worked a lot in a shorter timespan and have earned enough money to sustain themselves and their families without working. Those people are just taking a break from "work", following their hobbies (like gaming) and waiting for an interesting project to come up. Others come from rich families and never plan to work. I know one in ESO (but who would out oneself like that to "workers"?... when that girl did, she received lots of passive hate). Others don't work because they're sick. Actually, a big portion of players that don't work are gaming all day due to a sickness (mostly cancer, autoimmune diseases, disabled after an accident, etc.). I knew at least 10 in ESO. And, of course, those without work - in a country where they can afford it *cough* Germany *cough* Hartz 4 *cough*. They have more money than they need, an apartment, a computer, internet, and even get an additional "Alcohol Allowance" in case they're alcoholics, because hey, Alcohol is a disease, right? I met only few of them in ESO, but LOTS in other online games. Many of them are also very smart and, while taking the money from the state, additionally make a fortune with gold selling in games. I know one of the most successful gold sellers in ESO is one of those (unemployed "Hartz 4-Empfänger" in Germany).

- Fun fact: I don't get sick much, max. once a year, but when I got sick, I was running vMA all day.

***Sorry, @Vaoh, but you are just an ignorant casual (and I don't mean casual as an insult, most players are, especially in ESO) who has probably gotten all vMA weapon he needs before DB***, and have never been part of the true end game community (which is much bigger on EU than on NA, but still... at least you would know Streak on NA, and if you did, you'd know that he's gotten his very first Sharpened Inferno somewhere around 1800 runs; and yes, he actually ran it 2000+ times; probably running it right now as we speak, don't ask me why, I will never understand some people).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd0LjJ7jjUs

cschwingeb14_ESO wrote: »

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

****Every run = 2x rewards during the event!!! Get your Maelstrom Weapons!!![/b]

Really? Why giving people false hope? 2x the cancer it is now doesn't make it better in the slightest.

People run it 300, 400, 500+ times and don't get a single usable weapon. If you want that one weapon in Sharpened, you're looking at 1000+ runs. All this event is doing is turning 1000+ into 500+. And no one will run it 500 times in 2 weeks. And even then you're likely to not get that one weapon you want.

Lol, don't fall for the hyperbole. There are 12 weapons and 9 traits that can drop. People are complaining when they want that 1 weapon/trait combination and don't get it. I had about 150-200 weapons drop (combined from before and after DB) before I got my sharpened inferno. But in that time I also got 2 sharpened daggers, a sharpened maul, sharpened and infused bows, sharpened frost and lightning, precise resto and 1h axe. Also a variety of swords and maces and various defending weapons too

If you're going for that ONE specific weapon, get ready for disappointment. If you're looking to build a stockpile of great weapons that are usable for a variety of builds, then running vMA during double rewards is a great idea

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Here's a video to show you just how casual and too-nooby-for-endgame I am. Totally gonna get Vet White Gold nerfed with how nooby I am

@Vaoh I've seen it, it's impressive. A friend of mine tried it, but failed. It was before all the nerfs though (a week after it came out).
Now I also realize you're not a PC player. Makes it more understandable to me. You haven't been around long enough and you haven't met any hardcore gamers.

That video kind of proves my point. You're not social enough in game. You don't really get to know the people. Not only because you're going for a solo challenge, but mainly because of the platform you're playing on.

And since when are there "daily" runs for vMA? Running it for someone else is bannable and I would never support that. Why it's still happening a lot is a discussion for another thread. I meant inviting those poor souls to daily Undaunted runs for a break. Not running it for someone else.

The fact you talk about vMA and don't know Streak makes a discussion with you useless. How can you not know the most famous vMA runner in ESO who's known for running it 10+ times a day, every day, and refusing to do group content/trials just to get another vMA run in for... practice, I suppose? He's from PC NA. However, he was there for the first PC NA vMoL HM clear. Other than that, he's in vMA and does nothing else. And of course he's number 1 on all classes. Score-wise, number 1 world-wide. His main competitor is Andy from PC EU, who has multiple chars on each class's leaderboard (all spots from 1 to 3)... and is also one of those guys. He's running vMA multiple times a day aswell since PTS, but is known to be more social and enjoy trials with Aquila Raiders sometimes.
My point is, if you don't know that Streak ran vMA 2000+ times, the number 1 vMA leaderboard holder with 598k, and Andy, 596k, then what are we even talking about? Heck, you're not even on PC. I don't blame you. There aren't many hardcore gamers on console. But take RNC for example (leader of 1st console guild to finish vMoL HM). While he is mainly playing on console, he has PC EU characters and always hangs out on TS with end-game guilds from PC EU/NA. Maybe you should socialize more.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

****Every run = 2x rewards during the event!!! Get your Maelstrom Weapons!!![/b]

Really? Why giving people false hope? 2x the cancer it is now doesn't make it better in the slightest.

People run it 300, 400, 500+ times and don't get a single usable weapon. If you want that one weapon in Sharpened, you're looking at 1000+ runs. All this event is doing is turning 1000+ into 500+. And no one will run it 500 times in 2 weeks. And even then you're likely to not get that one weapon you want.

So the solution is to never run vMA at all?

This isn't false hope. Double rewards during an event is not false hope. We have a fantastic opportunity here where our chances of getting what we want have literally been doubled.

They are still low ofc, but doubled nonetheless. And people who say they ran vMA 1000 times are lying to you. Did you know I killed Molag Kena 4,275 times exactly and still no Light armor helms dropped for me? (-_-) *hint hint

Instead of being that doom & gloom guy that everyone steers clear from to avoid getting depressed, maybe you could focus on hekping people who struggle to beat vMA get through it during a time where they can potentially fit in 15 runs and earn the rewards of 30 runs.

We have a guild in Black Desert with over 30 players that quit ESO solely because of not getting their vMA weapons after hundreds of runs (almost 50 ex-ESO players overall that quit for various reasons). Some of them didn't get a single Inferno after 1000+ runs....Overall, I know 7 people that didn't get their Inferno after 1000+ runs, but the other 3 didn't want to come with us to BDO....

....And if you're still skeptical, maybe @Sharmony can tell you about @Decado from his guild, who's still farming for a Sharpened Inferno Staff and is well beyond 1000 runs by now.

Omg..... it makes me want to cry how gullible you are

For the sake of laying things out for you, I'll do the the honors of providing the numbers:

- Orsinium launched November 2, 2015.
- Black Desert online launched March 3, 2016
- Today is November 4, 2016..... so we are talking exactly 368 days since release of Orsinium and 246 days since the release of BDO but only if we are counting up until present day, which we are not even close to according to your examples.
- There was a timespan of 123 days between the launch of Orsinium and Black Desert Online

- 1000 Maelstrom runs means a minimum of 2.72 Maelstrom runs every single day since vMA released. This is assuming we are using 1000 vMA runs for everyone rather than your even more fake "well beyond 1000+" runs statements.
- The people who quit due to vMA did not take 368 days to do it
- Between Orisinium and Black Desert online, it would've taken over 8 runs every single day to reach the numbers you are using. No breaks, no vacations, no school/work, no hanging out outside of ESO, no normal food/sleep schedule, no other content besides vMA, no getting sick or being forced away from ESO under uncontrollable circumstance, no getting tired, nothing - 4 months and 2 days of pure vMA

All in all, there is perhaps maybe a fewl people in all of ESO to break the 1000 vMA run mark, but nothing like you say, and you've been lied to and are choosing to spread these laughably blatant lies.

I'm sorry, but it is simply too difficult to have logical conversations with this type of exaggeration being taken as fact. No one is running vMA this many times. The people who said they were are lying to you and are not even hiding it, and to say you know numerous people to have done it is nonsense. I hope you learn from this post and stop being so easy to lie to

It's (insert insult here) casuals like you who got their stuff spoon-fed to them who make this game bad. Making ridiculous assumptions and insulting other players who invested a lot of lifetime in this game.

- BDO launch has nothing to do with this topic. Zero. When it launched, it was bad. Very bad. There wasn't even a bad luck protection yet, so, due to the extremely low drop chances, it was even worse than ESO. I started playing it in June (on and off, sometimes coming back to ESO for vMA; I had my last 99 runs when they implemented the 100% drop chance), while I started actively promoting BDO in ESO somewhere in the end of August and moved part of my ESO guild there in September (yes, people were still running vMA at that point).

- If you're part of the end game community, you will see that true vMA fans that are competing for the leaderboard are still running it at least 3+ times a day on different classes just for practice/tactics refinement.

- When I came back after 100% drop chance and ran vMA, 5 runs were taking me slightly more than 3 hours (like 3:10 to 3:15).

- You seem to be very communicative on the forums. However, I doubt you are in game. Are you even part of the end game community? How can you not know people that ran it 1000+ times? And by knowing I mean actually seeing it on a daily basis, discussing it with them, offering them daily runs to take a break?

- There are different kinds of competitive players. But what they all, including myself, have in common, is the desire to be the best. And if it means running vMA till your hands bleed, so be it. It might shock you, but there are many end-game players that don't work. Not so many on the casual front though. Some have worked a lot in a shorter timespan and have earned enough money to sustain themselves and their families without working. Those people are just taking a break from "work", following their hobbies (like gaming) and waiting for an interesting project to come up. Others come from rich families and never plan to work. I know one in ESO (but who would out oneself like that to "workers"?... when that girl did, she received lots of passive hate). Others don't work because they're sick. Actually, a big portion of players that don't work are gaming all day due to a sickness (mostly cancer, autoimmune diseases, disabled after an accident, etc.). I knew at least 10 in ESO. And, of course, those without work - in a country where they can afford it *cough* Germany *cough* Hartz 4 *cough*. They have more money than they need, an apartment, a computer, internet, and even get an additional "Alcohol Allowance" in case they're alcoholics, because hey, Alcohol is a disease, right? I met only few of them in ESO, but LOTS in other online games. Many of them are also very smart and, while taking the money from the state, additionally make a fortune with gold selling in games. I know one of the most successful gold sellers in ESO is one of those (unemployed "Hartz 4-Empfänger" in Germany).

- Fun fact: I don't get sick much, max. once a year, but when I got sick, I was running vMA all day.

***Sorry, @Vaoh, but you are just an ignorant casual (and I don't mean casual as an insult, most players are, especially in ESO) who has probably gotten all vMA weapon he needs before DB***, and have never been part of the true end game community (which is much bigger on EU than on NA, but still... at least you would know Streak on NA, and if you did, you'd know that he's gotten his very first Sharpened Inferno somewhere around 1800 runs; and yes, he actually ran it 2000+ times; probably running it right now as we speak, don't ask me why, I will never understand some people).

This post was beautiful! I'm glad you wrote it. Legit laughed especially when I saw a couple of the more insane statements in here. I'll be bookmarking

So to be part of the endgame community I have to not only discuss vMA daily with the tops on the leaderboard, but also run vMA like 3 times a day and run it for other people super often so they can take breaks?

And now you say we have people who have run vMA 2000+ times with the only reasoning being that you feel that's true despite the facts - 2000+ runs entails 5.4+ runs every day since vMA released up until today

As for your following me around on the Forums and mentioning how I comment a lot as justification for being a casual.... well where's the relation? Also apparently I have all of their vMA weapons cause I'm casual.....

1) Casuals don't get all of their vMA weapons. That's not even casual content.

2) In one of my recent posts (which you've apparently followed) I already claimed to run vMA around 150-200 times. I almost have all my weapons, but still don't.

***3) Your largest point is that I am an ignorant casual ruining ESO. You called me a casual many times in your post as well.

Here's a video to show you just how casual and too-nooby-for-endgame I am. Totally gonna get Vet White Gold nerfed with how nooby I am :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd0LjJ7jjUs

If this is the definition of noob then I wanna be a noob

Vaoh wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

****Every run = 2x rewards during the event!!! Get your Maelstrom Weapons!!![/b]

Really? Why giving people false hope? 2x the cancer it is now doesn't make it better in the slightest.

People run it 300, 400, 500+ times and don't get a single usable weapon. If you want that one weapon in Sharpened, you're looking at 1000+ runs. All this event is doing is turning 1000+ into 500+. And no one will run it 500 times in 2 weeks. And even then you're likely to not get that one weapon you want.

So the solution is to never run vMA at all?

This isn't false hope. Double rewards during an event is not false hope. We have a fantastic opportunity here where our chances of getting what we want have literally been doubled.

They are still low ofc, but doubled nonetheless. And people who say they ran vMA 1000 times are lying to you. Did you know I killed Molag Kena 4,275 times exactly and still no Light armor helms dropped for me? (-_-) *hint hint

Instead of being that doom & gloom guy that everyone steers clear from to avoid getting depressed, maybe you could focus on hekping people who struggle to beat vMA get through it during a time where they can potentially fit in 15 runs and earn the rewards of 30 runs.

We have a guild in Black Desert with over 30 players that quit ESO solely because of not getting their vMA weapons after hundreds of runs (almost 50 ex-ESO players overall that quit for various reasons). Some of them didn't get a single Inferno after 1000+ runs....Overall, I know 7 people that didn't get their Inferno after 1000+ runs, but the other 3 didn't want to come with us to BDO....

....And if you're still skeptical, maybe @Sharmony can tell you about @Decado from his guild, who's still farming for a Sharpened Inferno Staff and is well beyond 1000 runs by now.

Omg..... it makes me want to cry how gullible you are

For the sake of laying things out for you, I'll do the the honors of providing the numbers:

- Orsinium launched November 2, 2015.
- Black Desert online launched March 3, 2016
- Today is November 4, 2016..... so we are talking exactly 368 days since release of Orsinium and 246 days since the release of BDO but only if we are counting up until present day, which we are not even close to according to your examples.
- There was a timespan of 123 days between the launch of Orsinium and Black Desert Online

- 1000 Maelstrom runs means a minimum of 2.72 Maelstrom runs every single day since vMA released. This is assuming we are using 1000 vMA runs for everyone rather than your even more fake "well beyond 1000+" runs statements.
- The people who quit due to vMA did not take 368 days to do it
- Between Orisinium and Black Desert online, it would've taken over 8 runs every single day to reach the numbers you are using. No breaks, no vacations, no school/work, no hanging out outside of ESO, no normal food/sleep schedule, no other content besides vMA, no getting sick or being forced away from ESO under uncontrollable circumstance, no getting tired, nothing - 4 months and 2 days of pure vMA

All in all, there is perhaps maybe a fewl people in all of ESO to break the 1000 vMA run mark, but nothing like you say, and you've been lied to and are choosing to spread these laughably blatant lies.

I'm sorry, but it is simply too difficult to have logical conversations with this type of exaggeration being taken as fact. No one is running vMA this many times. The people who said they were are lying to you and are not even hiding it, and to say you know numerous people to have done it is nonsense. I hope you learn from this post and stop being so easy to lie to

It's (insert insult here) casuals like you who got their stuff spoon-fed to them who make this game bad. Making ridiculous assumptions and insulting other players who invested a lot of lifetime in this game.

- BDO launch has nothing to do with this topic. Zero. When it launched, it was bad. Very bad. There wasn't even a bad luck protection yet, so, due to the extremely low drop chances, it was even worse than ESO. I started playing it in June (on and off, sometimes coming back to ESO for vMA; I had my last 99 runs when they implemented the 100% drop chance), while I started actively promoting BDO in ESO somewhere in the end of August and moved part of my ESO guild there in September (yes, people were still running vMA at that point).

- If you're part of the end game community, you will see that true vMA fans that are competing for the leaderboard are still running it at least 3+ times a day on different classes just for practice/tactics refinement.

- When I came back after 100% drop chance and ran vMA, 5 runs were taking me slightly more than 3 hours (like 3:10 to 3:15).

- You seem to be very communicative on the forums. However, I doubt you are in game. Are you even part of the end game community? How can you not know people that ran it 1000+ times? And by knowing I mean actually seeing it on a daily basis, discussing it with them, offering them daily runs to take a break?

- There are different kinds of competitive players. But what they all, including myself, have in common, is the desire to be the best. And if it means running vMA till your hands bleed, so be it. It might shock you, but there are many end-game players that don't work. Not so many on the casual front though. Some have worked a lot in a shorter timespan and have earned enough money to sustain themselves and their families without working. Those people are just taking a break from "work", following their hobbies (like gaming) and waiting for an interesting project to come up. Others come from rich families and never plan to work. I know one in ESO (but who would out oneself like that to "workers"?... when that girl did, she received lots of passive hate). Others don't work because they're sick. Actually, a big portion of players that don't work are gaming all day due to a sickness (mostly cancer, autoimmune diseases, disabled after an accident, etc.). I knew at least 10 in ESO. And, of course, those without work - in a country where they can afford it *cough* Germany *cough* Hartz 4 *cough*. They have more money than they need, an apartment, a computer, internet, and even get an additional "Alcohol Allowance" in case they're alcoholics, because hey, Alcohol is a disease, right? I met only few of them in ESO, but LOTS in other online games. Many of them are also very smart and, while taking the money from the state, additionally make a fortune with gold selling in games. I know one of the most successful gold sellers in ESO is one of those (unemployed "Hartz 4-Empfänger" in Germany).

- Fun fact: I don't get sick much, max. once a year, but when I got sick, I was running vMA all day.

***Sorry, @Vaoh, but you are just an ignorant casual (and I don't mean casual as an insult, most players are, especially in ESO) who has probably gotten all vMA weapon he needs before DB***, and have never been part of the true end game community (which is much bigger on EU than on NA, but still... at least you would know Streak on NA, and if you did, you'd know that he's gotten his very first Sharpened Inferno somewhere around 1800 runs; and yes, he actually ran it 2000+ times; probably running it right now as we speak, don't ask me why, I will never understand some people).

This post was beautiful! I'm glad you wrote it. Legit laughed especially when I saw a couple of the more insane statements in here. I'll be bookmarking

So to be part of the endgame community I have to not only discuss vMA daily with the tops on the leaderboard, but also run vMA like 3 times a day and run it for other people super often so they can take breaks?

And now you say we have people who have run vMA 2000+ times with the only reasoning being that you feel that's true despite the facts - 2000+ runs entails 5.4+ runs every day since vMA released up until today

As for your following me around on the Forums and mentioning how I comment a lot as justification for being a casual.... well where's the relation? Also apparently I have all of their vMA weapons cause I'm casual.....

1) Casuals don't get all of their vMA weapons. That's not even casual content.

2) In one of my recent posts (which you've apparently followed) I already claimed to run vMA around 150-200 times. I almost have all my weapons, but still don't.

***3) Your largest point is that I am an ignorant casual ruining ESO. You called me a casual many times in your post as well.

Here's a video to show you just how casual and too-nooby-for-endgame I am. Totally gonna get Vet White Gold nerfed with how nooby I am :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd0LjJ7jjUs

If this is the definition of noob then I wanna be a noob

Exactly lol.

Apparently soloing Vet White Gold Tower, running Vet trials, running high-end PvP with the best, completing vMA Flawless and with scores over 560K, almost soloing Vet Cradle of Shadows HM and so much more is all casual. Same category as running fetch quests in Glenumbra

What is hardcore suppossed to be???