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[Permabans being lifted] ZOS how are we as a community dealing with exploits/hacking?
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iam117✭✭✭i have now canceled my recurring payment as well as my wifes, while not alot, it is 30$ per month revenue. the response from zenimax over this will dictate weather its renewed or not. im really hoping that accounts of hackers are not being unbanned and that progress is moving forward to keep CE from being used and promoted both in game and on the leaderboards. if the company is proactive about this, i will gladly renew, im really hoping this is a witch-hunt that is unfounded, and that the players involved ARE STILL BANNED. but at this point im doubtful, a relative comment from the Z-crew would be much appreciated
Edited by iam117 on 15 June 2016 18:32<Liv3mind><PC/NA - Legion Of The Bloodworks>Snowflake Patrol6 -
RinaldoGandolphi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Before anyone continues to say this is a witchunt
From the following Youtube Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbEtN24VS4E
Here in the comments we have one of the "so called banned" claiming himself and many of his co-conspirators were banned and their accounts were under investigation. Jago and Germ are all buddies, so its 100% confirmed he was banned.....
This information needs to be seen by everyone, you have a right to know
Rinaldo Gandolphi-Breton Sorcerer Daggerfall Covenant
Juste Gandolphi Dark Elf Templar Daggerfall Covenant
Richter Gandolphi - Dark Elf Dragonknight Daggerfall Covenant
Mathias Gandolphi - Breton Nightblade Daggerfall Covenant
RinaldoGandolphi - High Elf Sorcerer Aldmeri Dominion
Officer Fire and Ice
Co-GM - MVP
Sorcerer's - The ONLY class in the game that is punished for using its class defining skill (Bolt Escape)
"Here in his shrine, that they have forgotten. Here do we toil, that we might remember. By night we reclaim, what by day was stolen. Far from ourselves, he grows ever near to us. Our eyes once were blinded, now through him do we see. Our hands once were idle, now through them does he speak. And when the world shall listen, and when the world shall see, and when the world remembers, that world will cease to be. - Miraak10 -
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✭✭✭✭heystreethawk wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Whoever is managing this game needs to start talking about this live. Not buried in a reguarly scheduled eso live. I'm talking about announcing a time and location for the twitch feed in a forum wide banner. Then I want to see a legitimate head of the company make a statement in a freaking suit and tie about what is being done, why people were unbanned, and how you are going to rebuild our trust in you and the integrity of the game.
I don't want to see tigerpants and tee-shirts telling me everything is being taken care of, I want to see a suit and tie manager. Tigerpants and tee-shirts are fine for eso live but this is serious business and needs to be addressed in an official capacity.
In this business the guy in a tie and jacket doesn't know jack and would only be giving us the business. The one in tiger stripped pants and a T-shirt is the only one who understands how code works.
I don't expect the guy in the tie to know how to code. I expect him to give the directive and kick people in the butt until its completed.
He is not gonna want to get blood on his suit, unless it was a red suit in which case the blood would not matter, but the suit would look tacky.
Hmmm, I think if said manager had a goatee or a pencil mustache the red suit might slide over from tacky to "my boss, the devil". That could be good for us.Edited by Armitas on 15 June 2016 18:50Retired.
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iam117✭✭✭@altemriel keep this one active too, zenimax is already following it<Liv3mind><PC/NA - Legion Of The Bloodworks>Snowflake Patrol0
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✭✭✭✭RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »From the following Youtube Videohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbEtN24VS4E
Here in the comments we have one of the "so called banned" claiming himself and many of his co-conspirators were banned and their accounts were under investigation. Jago and Germ are all buddies, so its 100% confirmed he was banned.....
This information needs to be seen by everyone, you have a right to know
Rofl at the end.
Isn't it amazing how 1 person doing this and not getting banned for days emboldened a ton of other players who used this in secret to use it blatantly and openly? It's almost like the appearance of getting away with cheats encourages the use of cheats. ...and by almost like I mean that is exactly what happened and will continue to happen until you make a strong stance on this ZOS.Edited by Armitas on 15 June 2016 18:52Retired.
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I don't see the comments you are referring to in your video link. Are you talking about on youtube in the comment section of that video?0 -
heystreethawk✭✭✭✭✭I have a youtube video of an AD templar I believe to be cheating. Any AD guild leaders want to see it, PM me. I sent it to ZOS over a week ago. Dude's still running around.
Phoenix set bug; been around, resurfaces periodically, only seen it on Templars, never seen details on how to trigger on purpose. There is footage of it happening on console, so I'm not inclined to believe it is aided by third party software. K---- was running the set in the video you submitted to cheatpatrol.gov, and I have seen no other shenanigans on his behalf.GM of Fantasia
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✭✭✭✭Don't worry guys, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom is just busy responding to other, more important issues today like the ones below. They'll get around to addressing this in the future, maybe.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/3076714#Comment_3076714
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/3077196#Comment_3077196
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/3076669#Comment_30766692 -
forzajuve212✭✭✭✭✭Don't worry guys, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom is just busy responding to other, more important issues today like the ones below. They'll get around to addressing this in the future, maybe.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/3076714#Comment_3076714
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/3077196#Comment_3077196
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/3076669#Comment_3076669
Classic. They don't give a *** anymore about this and as per usual, think they can hide this in the closet. Well they won't. We need to keep tagging them every single day and posting every damn until they respond to us.2 -
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I don't see the comments you are referring to in your video link. Are you talking about on youtube in the comment section of that video?
@Makkir
Yes, look in the comments section of the video and you will see the discussion i screenshotted.
scroll down till you see the name ilyas Rotterdam, click view replies, you will see it.Edited by RinaldoGandolphi on 15 June 2016 18:59Rinaldo Gandolphi-Breton Sorcerer Daggerfall Covenant
Juste Gandolphi Dark Elf Templar Daggerfall Covenant
Richter Gandolphi - Dark Elf Dragonknight Daggerfall Covenant
Mathias Gandolphi - Breton Nightblade Daggerfall Covenant
RinaldoGandolphi - High Elf Sorcerer Aldmeri Dominion
Officer Fire and Ice
Co-GM - MVP
Sorcerer's - The ONLY class in the game that is punished for using its class defining skill (Bolt Escape)
"Here in his shrine, that they have forgotten. Here do we toil, that we might remember. By night we reclaim, what by day was stolen. Far from ourselves, he grows ever near to us. Our eyes once were blinded, now through him do we see. Our hands once were idle, now through them does he speak. And when the world shall listen, and when the world shall see, and when the world remembers, that world will cease to be. - Miraak1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭heystreethawk wrote: »I have a youtube video of an AD templar I believe to be cheating. Any AD guild leaders want to see it, PM me. I sent it to ZOS over a week ago. Dude's still running around.
Phoenix set bug; been around, resurfaces periodically, only seen it on Templars, never seen details on how to trigger on purpose. There is footage of it happening on console, so I'm not inclined to believe it is aided by third party software. K---- was running the set in the video you submitted to esocheaters.com and I have seen no other shenanigans on his behalf.
What you did there, it is not lost on me.
oh and this whole thing is *** and anyone with a ZOS in their name knows itTl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.0 -
heystreethawk✭✭✭✭✭heystreethawk wrote: »Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Whoever is managing this game needs to start talking about this live. Not buried in a reguarly scheduled eso live. I'm talking about announcing a time and location for the twitch feed in a forum wide banner. Then I want to see a legitimate head of the company make a statement in a freaking suit and tie about what is being done, why people were unbanned, and how you are going to rebuild our trust in you and the integrity of the game.
I don't want to see tigerpants and tee-shirts telling me everything is being taken care of, I want to see a suit and tie manager. Tigerpants and tee-shirts are fine for eso live but this is serious business and needs to be addressed in an official capacity.
In this business the guy in a tie and jacket doesn't know jack and would only be giving us the business. The one in tiger stripped pants and a T-shirt is the only one who understands how code works.
I don't expect the guy in the tie to know how to code. I expect him to give the directive and kick people in the butt until its completed.
He is not gonna want to get blood on his suit, unless it was a red suit in which case the blood would not matter, but the suit would look tacky.
Hmmm, I think if said manager had a goatee or a pencil mustache the red suit might slide over from tacky to "my boss, the devil". That could be good for us.
This is becoming an action packed and thematic press pageant of professional wrestling proportions, and could be just the shot in the arm this community needs. I look forward to the future.
GM of Fantasia
I heard those symphonies come quick1 -
Turelus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭How other MMO Games have handled Cheating/Exploiting/Botting or account security.
World of Warcraft
List of in game violations: https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/300736 / https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/200475
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/17347095985
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/2299938/account-security-and-you-yes-you-2-16-2011
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/13742212/heartbleed-account-security-notice-4-10-2014
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20744124429
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/17611531106
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/16885292570
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/16517812096?page=2#31
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7340145661?page=2#30
Guild Wars / Guild Wars 2
Exploit Meaning: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Exploit
https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/support/support/How-to-Report-Cheaters-or-Exploiters
SWTOR
Rules of Conduct: http://www.swtor.com/legalnotices/rulesofconduct
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=789578
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=120099
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=880092
http://www.swtor.com/blog/action-being-taken-against-exploits-and-cheats
http://www.swtor.com/blog/action-being-taken-against-fraudulent-payment-activity
http://www.swtor.com/blog/developer-blog-busting-bugs-and-fixing-exploits
Black Desert Online
http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/91821-ban-waves/
http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/83276-hacker-hunting-initiative/
EVE Online
Known & Declared Exploits: https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/204873262-Known-Declared-Exploits
Suspension and Ban Policy: https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/suspension-and-ban-policy/
https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/macro-users-banned/
https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/drone-exploit-warning/
https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/exploit-warning/
https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/team-security-now-with-100-percent-more-anti-rmt/
https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/overlays-isk-buyer-amnesty-and-account-security/
https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/begun-the-bot-war-has/
https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/client-modification-the-eula-and-you/
https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/unholy-rage/
EVE Online Team Security Presentations2012:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG13u9KKtzE
2013:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vd-CpnjvAM
2014:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CZR9w3ftjY
2015:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBD7CL9oQqE
Tree of Savior
This is a game released this year which have a very rough launch and was riddled with bots, they have done more active work in two months than I have seen from ZOS two years. The fact there are so many bots being a separate issue look how often they update people on bans done. I actually decided to stop posting links because there were so many.
https://treeofsavior.com/news/?n=377
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/banned-boleto-exploit-abusers/200822
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/accounts-banned-for-abuse-april-19th-2016/204251
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/accounts-banned-for-abuse-april-22nd-2016/210857
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/accounts-banned-for-abuse-april-23rd-2016/212617
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/accounts-banned-for-abuse-april-24th-2016/214434
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/accounts-banned-for-abuse-april-30th-2016/235489
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/accounts-banned-for-abuse-may-2nd-2016/241520
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/accounts-banned-for-abuse-april-21st-2016/208699
I could keep going but honestly I have spent a good 30mins of my evening on this already and would rather play some games, I think this should be enough to prove my point however.
As a fun side note, every time I type a game into Google now it recommends "exploits" as the next word.
Edited by Turelus on 15 June 2016 19:00@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
"Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."20 -
tist✭✭✭Honestly I would rather there be less lag and have a chance for potential cheaters.. They just need ban hammers.0 -
Semner✭✭✭I have no way of knowing what ZOS is doing in regards to this issue, but have you considered the possibility that they have people working on this and are simply keeping quiet about it for the sake of, as they've said, catching people in the act and not giving them the opportunity to find a way around any fix they implement?
It's just a thought. Hackers are bad for business. I can guarantee they know that. Yes, it's taking a while but perhaps it's more complex of a fix than originally intended? Again, I don't know. But I just wouldn't be so quick to assume that the sky is falling.0 -
heystreethawk✭✭✭✭✭heystreethawk wrote: »I have a youtube video of an AD templar I believe to be cheating. Any AD guild leaders want to see it, PM me. I sent it to ZOS over a week ago. Dude's still running around.
Phoenix set bug; been around, resurfaces periodically, only seen it on Templars, never seen details on how to trigger on purpose. There is footage of it happening on console, so I'm not inclined to believe it is aided by third party software. K---- was running the set in the video you submitted to esocheaters.com and I have seen no other shenanigans on his behalf.
What you did there, it is not lost on me.
oh and this whole thing is *** and anyone with a ZOS in their name knows it
I dig the site and wish the mobile version rendered properly for me, but I'm pretty sure my phone is still running OS/2 so it's probably an outlierGM of Fantasia
I heard those symphonies come quick0 -
forzajuve212✭✭✭✭✭How other MMO Games have handled Cheating/Exploiting/Botting or account security.
World of Warcraft
List of in game violations: https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/300736 / https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/200475
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/17347095985
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/2299938/account-security-and-you-yes-you-2-16-2011
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/13742212/heartbleed-account-security-notice-4-10-2014
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/20744124429
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/17611531106
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/16885292570
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/16517812096?page=2#31
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/7340145661?page=2#30
Guild Wars / Guild Wars 2
Exploit Meaning: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Exploit
https://forum-en.guildwars2.com/forum/support/support/How-to-Report-Cheaters-or-Exploiters
SWTOR
Rules of Conduct: http://www.swtor.com/legalnotices/rulesofconduct
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=789578
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=120099
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=880092
http://www.swtor.com/blog/action-being-taken-against-exploits-and-cheats
http://www.swtor.com/blog/action-being-taken-against-fraudulent-payment-activity
http://www.swtor.com/blog/developer-blog-busting-bugs-and-fixing-exploits
Black Desert Online
http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/91821-ban-waves/
http://forum.blackdesertonline.com/index.php?/topic/83276-hacker-hunting-initiative/
EVE Online
Known & Declared Exploits: https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/204873262-Known-Declared-Exploits
Suspension and Ban Policy: https://community.eveonline.com/support/policies/suspension-and-ban-policy/
https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/macro-users-banned/
https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/drone-exploit-warning/
https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/exploit-warning/
https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/team-security-now-with-100-percent-more-anti-rmt/
https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/overlays-isk-buyer-amnesty-and-account-security/
https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/begun-the-bot-war-has/
https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/client-modification-the-eula-and-you/
https://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/unholy-rage/
EVE Online Team Security Presentations2012:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG13u9KKtzE
2013:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Vd-CpnjvAM
2014:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CZR9w3ftjY
2015:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBD7CL9oQqE
Three of Savior
This is a game released this year which have a very rough launch and was riddled with bots, they have done more active work in two months than I have seen from ZOS two years. The fact there are so many bots being a separate issue look how often they update people on bans done. I actually decided to stop posting links because there were so many.
https://treeofsavior.com/news/?n=377
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/banned-boleto-exploit-abusers/200822
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/accounts-banned-for-abuse-april-19th-2016/204251
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/accounts-banned-for-abuse-april-22nd-2016/210857
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/accounts-banned-for-abuse-april-23rd-2016/212617
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/accounts-banned-for-abuse-april-24th-2016/214434
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/accounts-banned-for-abuse-april-30th-2016/235489
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/accounts-banned-for-abuse-may-2nd-2016/241520
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/accounts-banned-for-abuse-april-21st-2016/208699
I could keep going but honestly I have spent a good 30mins of my evening on this already and would rather play some games, I think this should be enough to prove my point however.
As a fun side note, every time I type a game into Google now it recommends "exploits" as the next word.
@ZOS_AlanG @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_AntonioP @Wrobel @ZOS_RichLambert
This.3 -
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Sure, and Jessica has said as much. However after two years of what seems like no action or badly handled action people are cynical and jaded.I have no way of knowing what ZOS is doing in regards to this issue, but have you considered the possibility that they have people working on this and are simply keeping quiet about it for the sake of, as they've said, catching people in the act and not giving them the opportunity to find a way around any fix they implement?
It's just a thought. Hackers are bad for business. I can guarantee they know that. Yes, it's taking a while but perhaps it's more complex of a fix than originally intended? Again, I don't know. But I just wouldn't be so quick to assume that the sky is falling.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
"Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."2 -
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✭I have no way of knowing what ZOS is doing in regards to this issue, but have you considered the possibility that they have people working on this and are simply keeping quiet about it for the sake of, as they've said, catching people in the act and not giving them the opportunity to find a way around any fix they implement?
It's just a thought. Hackers are bad for business. I can guarantee they know that. Yes, it's taking a while but perhaps it's more complex of a fix than originally intended? Again, I don't know. But I just wouldn't be so quick to assume that the sky is falling.
Disabling addons on PC would of been the easiest temporarily fix, but of course no one would of wanted that."The more you know who you are, and what you want, the less you let things upset you."0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Justice31st wrote: »I have no way of knowing what ZOS is doing in regards to this issue, but have you considered the possibility that they have people working on this and are simply keeping quiet about it for the sake of, as they've said, catching people in the act and not giving them the opportunity to find a way around any fix they implement?
It's just a thought. Hackers are bad for business. I can guarantee they know that. Yes, it's taking a while but perhaps it's more complex of a fix than originally intended? Again, I don't know. But I just wouldn't be so quick to assume that the sky is falling.
Disabling addons on PC would of been the easiest temporarily fix, but of course no one would of wanted that.
That would fix nothing.Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.5 -
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This had nothing to do with add-ons they're two entirely different systems.Justice31st wrote: »I have no way of knowing what ZOS is doing in regards to this issue, but have you considered the possibility that they have people working on this and are simply keeping quiet about it for the sake of, as they've said, catching people in the act and not giving them the opportunity to find a way around any fix they implement?
It's just a thought. Hackers are bad for business. I can guarantee they know that. Yes, it's taking a while but perhaps it's more complex of a fix than originally intended? Again, I don't know. But I just wouldn't be so quick to assume that the sky is falling.
Disabling addons on PC would of been the easiest temporarily fix, but of course no one would of wanted that.
Add-ons read an API for information the cheating is modifying local information to trick the servers. Unless I have missed something else that happened.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
"Don't count on others for help. In the end each of us is in this alone. The survivors are those who know how to look out for themselves."2 -
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✭There ain't too many ways to get a response from ZOS, I figure.
I mean a real response, not some half-baked copy n' paste from a community manager.
Efficient anti-cheats need resources invested.
Only management can untie the purse strings and dedicate those resources.
Thing is, management is real happy 'cause folks are buying tacky 4,000-crowns mounts.
So to prompt a response from top-brass - ZOS's response to cheating needs to be NUKED IN THE MEDIA.
@Turelus @Pomaikai @Ch4mpTW if I'm not mistaken have already mentioned a will and means to do just that.
A scrub like me who cares but ain't got no valuable connections, but is willing to chip in regardless, needs a template message and a distribution list, or something along those lines - I for one will play my part.
If anyone here is sceptical, please please take the time to read @Crown's post here.
This post shows how long the issue has been around, and how outfriggin'rageously disgraceful ZOS's response has been so far.
Further evidence of this can be found at 7:17 into @FENGRUSH's video - where you learn that before the case two weeks ago snowballed into this here forum drama (with no hint whatsoever that it all led to anything beyond words and four-day "permabans"), the most blatant cheaters were issued a mere 8-hour ban for spamming meteors.
So, yeah.
When is enough just gonna be enough?
#SaveThisGameNukeItInThePressPC/EU. NoCP PvP. sDK Orc IRL. Flawless tamperor. Pro scrub.6 -
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This had nothing to do with add-ons they're two entirely different systems.Justice31st wrote: »I have no way of knowing what ZOS is doing in regards to this issue, but have you considered the possibility that they have people working on this and are simply keeping quiet about it for the sake of, as they've said, catching people in the act and not giving them the opportunity to find a way around any fix they implement?
It's just a thought. Hackers are bad for business. I can guarantee they know that. Yes, it's taking a while but perhaps it's more complex of a fix than originally intended? Again, I don't know. But I just wouldn't be so quick to assume that the sky is falling.
Disabling addons on PC would of been the easiest temporarily fix, but of course no one would of wanted that.
Add-ons read an API for information the cheating is modifying local information to trick the servers. Unless I have missed something else that happened.
Well then, I can see why it is taking ZOS awhile. I am finally thankful I play on consoles instead of PC. It sounds like more hacks to come."The more you know who you are, and what you want, the less you let things upset you."0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭@Arthg I do feel that having bad global press might cause ZOS or the suits in charge (I love how we as a community all just believe this the issue now) to do something but as I mentioned it's a two edged sword. If ZOS fails to handle it fast or not effectively enough then we give the game we love and want to see do well more bad press to push new players away.
I would imagine it would work, but I don't really want to see it done out of fear or what would happen.
There has actually been very little critical media coverage of any kind since the bank bug exploit and whenever another site does cover ESO for any reason it's always a BS generic "we were paid to say this" article.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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https://treeofsavior.com/news/?n=377
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/banned-boleto-exploit-abusers/200822
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/accounts-banned-for-abuse-april-19th-2016/204251
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/accounts-banned-for-abuse-april-22nd-2016/210857
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/accounts-banned-for-abuse-april-23rd-2016/212617
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/accounts-banned-for-abuse-april-24th-2016/214434
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/accounts-banned-for-abuse-april-30th-2016/235489
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/accounts-banned-for-abuse-may-2nd-2016/241520
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/accounts-banned-for-abuse-april-21st-2016/208699
I remember people asking for them to post monthly banned accounts when the game started. They added a ban section to the "road ahead" for a month then dropped it. Lol road ahead still stuck in traffic.
They really should have a wall of shame or a least report how many bans went out that month. It gives people a reason to believe there is an actual system, and the system is actually working.
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✭✭✭✭✭I've missed so many pages of this thread since the original bans were announced, can someone please kindly provide a link to where it's been absolutely confirmed that permanent bans have been lifted? Are we talking about some of them following due process of appeal, or all of them?Edited by Tandor on 15 June 2016 19:170 -
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https://treeofsavior.com/news/?n=377
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/banned-boleto-exploit-abusers/200822
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/accounts-banned-for-abuse-april-19th-2016/204251
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/accounts-banned-for-abuse-april-22nd-2016/210857
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/accounts-banned-for-abuse-april-23rd-2016/212617
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/accounts-banned-for-abuse-april-24th-2016/214434
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/accounts-banned-for-abuse-april-30th-2016/235489
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/accounts-banned-for-abuse-may-2nd-2016/241520
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/accounts-banned-for-abuse-april-21st-2016/208699
I remember people asking for them to post monthly banned accounts when the game started. They added a ban section to the "road ahead" for a month then dropped it. Lol road ahead still stuck in traffic.
They really should have a wall of shame or a least report how many bans went out that month. It gives people a reason to believe there is an actual system, and the system is actually working.
I don't think they should name and shame and I do feel that TOS listing names is a little weird, however I really enjoy the way CCP have done it in the past with sexy graphs. Their presentations (videos I linked) were one of my main highlights each time I attended fanfest. They made talking about bans and security fun.
CCP actually once tweeted a picture of the character (GM account) they store all the ISK (gold) taken away from players doing RMT on. It was just a character with trillions of ISK. However no one was outraged that much ISK had been sold/purchased they were laughing and cheering at CCP for having fun with it and getting it out of the game.
I could post in this thread every other post right now because I am so passionate about this issue and have spent most of my MMO gaming life in touch with these kinds of issues in the games I have played, however I am tired of beating my head against the wall (as I said way back in this thread) and going to take a break for the night to play StarFringe Adversus and try to figure out WTF I am doing in that game.
@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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✭✭✭✭✭I've missed so many pages of this thread since the original bans were announced, can someone please kindly provide a link to where it's been absolutely confirmed that permanent bans have been lifted?
@Tandor links and maybe threads were removed. There was not 100% sure evidence only that one player who had been suspected of using CE because of their vMSA score being so impossible had started logging in again and seen by players on friends lists or in game.
By ZOS forums rules we can't provide any proof of this publicly. Also I am not one who actually is involved in that just the vocal whiny exploit hating guy.
Seriously... last post for a while now and off to play spaceship RTS.@Turelus - EU PC Megaserver
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