This is a prime example of how ZOS doesn't care if you exploit known bugs such as: 2H axe bleed and molag kena proc. Instead ZOS is kissing butt and asking OP if they can use his build on battle blah blah blah.

In this video what we have is a player good or not basically telling his viewers and the whole community to cheat why? Because that's the meta in ESO.

Do i like your build? Yes, do I think you're a solid player with solid concepts? Yes, but you don't have to promote cheating/exploiting that my friend brings IMO your integrity as a player down into the dumps alongside with all the other exploiters.

Capraid wrote: »

This is a prime example of how ZOS doesn't care if you exploit known bugs such as: 2H axe bleed and molag kena proc. Instead ZOS is kissing butt and asking OP if they can use his build on battle blah blah blah.

In this video what we have is a player good or not basically telling his viewers and the whole community to cheat why? Because that's the meta in ESO.

Do i like your build? Yes, do I think you're a solid player with solid concepts? Yes, but you don't have to promote cheating/exploiting that my friend brings IMO your integrity as a player down into the dumps alongside with all the other exploiters.

Thanks for the reply - appreciate your honesty and expected some stuff like this - and I dont disagree with the first parts of your post.


There are bugs or unintended mechanics, yes... a lot of newer players or pvpers that dont follow at a high level/ dont have friends at high level to tell them what others are doing are in the dark about some things. The point of me making videos is to help the people that follow me and want to know what is going on. I try to explain that as best as I can in the video. Its not an encouragement to 'cheat'. The reality is, Ive always weaved light attacks even before molag kena. It just so happens, kena will proc if you weave it between WB. Is this a hidden issue that has not been reported? No - its not. It was reported back in November (http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/232698/molag-kena-proc-clarifiction-zos). It was posted in the correct section and ZOS didnt even acknowledge it - its been bug reported as well.

As far as the bleed goes - cant really help theres a 100% bleed. I used maelstrom axe for awhile because it was the only 2 hander that dropped after 40+ VMA runs. If it didnt proc 100%, Id still use it because its effective when it does proc, and thats what matters. Procing would be no problem for me because I weave a lot of instances of attacks. So I dont really care about any of this bleed business when mentioned - its pretty silly to me.

If you feel the build ruins my integrity, that is fine too. Ive been playing an stam sorc for a bit now as an underdog class - my gameplan is not to become the most powerful player created, but to be an entertaining one that overcomes challenges. I encounter bugs in literally every fight.... trying to fight 6 people and having 2 nightblades spamming ambush on me the entire fight knowing it will lock my character up. What does bleed matter at this point, what does kena mean at this point? Its irrelevant - and niether of those issues are as bad as the mechanic and balance issues in the game. Those outweigh anything pointed out in my video.

Also- ZOS does not 'kiss butt' ... they really dont like me, and I dont expect them to based on my streaming. I stream for my viewers, not for ZOS, and while I say lots of positive things about their game, I say plenty of things that I dont find acceptable with it either. I dont promote cheating or winning at any cost. You want to know something funny? Theres actually an infinite stam bug in the game right now that I could use - but you wont see me using it ever on stream or show it in a video. That is the sort of cheating that Id find to be pretty petty. But what Im doing in the video? It really wouldnt change anything in the way I play, its just unintended consequences from a game that wont properly fix/balance.

Hope the long post sheds some light on my PoV.

Capraid wrote: »

I never said your build ruins your integrity but the fact you use these known issues is what ruins your integrity.

Capraid wrote: »

Quick fix use a 2H SWORD or hammer and use 2 consecutive LA's to proc molag. does this change yur build? NO. does it change the fact your are currently using known exploits?Yes.

That should work out well with ambush spam.

got double camo'd last night when I went WW - not working.

FENGRUSH wrote: »

acw37162 wrote: »

@fengrush

Your latest video the combo you said to study......

Crit Rush - Light Attack - Wrecking Blow - light attack (while backing up; Molag Kena Proc) - Crit Rush - Wrecking Blow - Executioner ????

Am I right? You have it down and it was very fast and hard to watch on my phone.

Second question, does the light attack to proc Kena eat your empower buff?

This is correct for the most part - when you backpedal for the crit rush after kena proc, youre going to make a decision based on your target. Do you need another WB? Was this a lighter target that didnt block anything? If so, you could be looking at the kill here, which means after that rush, you will likely light atk (bash if needed to pull health slightly lower) then execute. Can repeat light atk execute again if almost had them and theyre not being healed.

Its really just weaving proper rotations, otherwise, you will go back to WB light atk crit rush combos. You will probably need to streak at some point if you dont burst hard on that open, depends on your target entirely. If its a healer blocking a lot, you will be grinding WBs into them to burn their stam down. They will call you a WB spammer - but this is literally your best option to take them down, as youre not really given anything better to do to them.

Thanks,

Curious question, have you and Tuggles given any thought when your running around together to run Powefull Assault and Spell Power Curr?

Not that you two don't wreck in current set up but those bonuses together with a Kena Proc would seem pretty stout, theory crafting anyway...

acw37162 wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

acw37162 wrote: »

@fengrush

Your latest video the combo you said to study......

Crit Rush - Light Attack - Wrecking Blow - light attack (while backing up; Molag Kena Proc) - Crit Rush - Wrecking Blow - Executioner ????

Am I right? You have it down and it was very fast and hard to watch on my phone.

Second question, does the light attack to proc Kena eat your empower buff?

This is correct for the most part - when you backpedal for the crit rush after kena proc, youre going to make a decision based on your target. Do you need another WB? Was this a lighter target that didnt block anything? If so, you could be looking at the kill here, which means after that rush, you will likely light atk (bash if needed to pull health slightly lower) then execute. Can repeat light atk execute again if almost had them and theyre not being healed.

Its really just weaving proper rotations, otherwise, you will go back to WB light atk crit rush combos. You will probably need to streak at some point if you dont burst hard on that open, depends on your target entirely. If its a healer blocking a lot, you will be grinding WBs into them to burn their stam down. They will call you a WB spammer - but this is literally your best option to take them down, as youre not really given anything better to do to them.

Thanks,

Curious question, have you and Tuggles given any thought when your running around together to run Powefull Assault and Spell Power Curr?

Not that you two don't wreck in current set up but those bonuses together with a Kena Proc would seem pretty stout, theory crafting anyway...

Yea thought about it - cant do it and run lich as well. Otherwise would run spell power cure.

Alucardo wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

got double camo'd last night when I went WW - not working.

Damn I went to bed early and missed your stream (if you were streaming that). Please tell me you recorded the hilarious ZOS induced rage that most likely ensued.

I was pretty calm - I know it was broken already. But thats the first time I got to confirm it. :P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG3V1cxrjOo

Yo @FENGRUSH, nice build and great videos!
One question - the headgear on your Orc, those horns that face behind, how do you get those? Doesn't look like normal kena

@Cathexis Do you mind sharing your build and options? I feel the more stamina sorcerer builds people know about the more likely people will build stamina sorcerers and the higher the profile the more chance of being listened to.

Cathexis wrote: »

@FENGRUSH I have been meaning to ask you, how have you been dealing with gap closer mini stun? Do you find this a problem? (specifically being spammed)

I have always played a stam sorc, and I have been running a heavy armor build. When I am not theorycrafting it and it is in a polished state it is near unstoppable in a 1v1/2v1 (I have both a bow/sword board and 2hand/sword board variants that work well), and I have been inconsistently successful in fights as high as 1v5 and 2v8. It does very, very well in imperial city and duels, but gap closer mini stun has forced me into a long range build in Cyrodiil (although, this is partly my own fault as I play ungrouped/solo and chase large groups for sport).

Do you find that the mini stun is less problematic with a damage focused and/or aoe focused build? I am thinking of trying that balance next.

Also, the other evening I got steamrolled by a group of EP while running solo at chal farm and shortly afterwards I'm pretty sure it was your group or a group you were traveling with who showed up and ganked the hell out of them. So thanks for that ^_^ and for the rez.

The gap closer spam is serious bad to deal with on stam sorc because mobility is one of our big strengths, and the freezing just destroys the movement you get.

S+B is very good and Ill have it in my next build, but I find it tougher to close down targets in a bigger group or put it to good use. I find using the bulldozer build and coming in dropping someone fast then moving out to strike again works best in those scenarios. May need to practice on it more though.

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

@FENGRUSH I have been meaning to ask you, how have you been dealing with gap closer mini stun? Do you find this a problem? (specifically being spammed)

I have always played a stam sorc, and I have been running a heavy armor build. When I am not theorycrafting it and it is in a polished state it is near unstoppable in a 1v1/2v1 (I have both a bow/sword board and 2hand/sword board variants that work well), and I have been inconsistently successful in fights as high as 1v5 and 2v8. It does very, very well in imperial city and duels, but gap closer mini stun has forced me into a long range build in Cyrodiil (although, this is partly my own fault as I play ungrouped/solo and chase large groups for sport).

Do you find that the mini stun is less problematic with a damage focused and/or aoe focused build? I am thinking of trying that balance next.

Also, the other evening I got steamrolled by a group of EP while running solo at chal farm and shortly afterwards I'm pretty sure it was your group or a group you were traveling with who showed up and ganked the hell out of them. So thanks for that ^_^ and for the rez.

The gap closer spam is serious bad to deal with on stam sorc because mobility is one of our big strengths, and the freezing just destroys the movement you get.

S+B is very good and Ill have it in my next build, but I find it tougher to close down targets in a bigger group or put it to good use. I find using the bulldozer build and coming in dropping someone fast then moving out to strike again works best in those scenarios. May need to practice on it more though.

@FENGRUSH I was getting that sense with my 2 hand build but because I don't use a damage focus I found it a struggle to achieve burst and move out in cyro, as I was getting mobbed down a significant enough % of the time to be annoying. I have actually found my single target damage output to be more effective with a sword board for melee although (@Jar_Ek it pains me when I say this because I love theory crafting new builds and I always do want to share them, and I do want stamina sorc issue awareness addressed) I'm never too keen on posting insights that seem to give me an edge in PvP, so I won't be more detailed than that.

How do you have 1500 impen plus 17000 spell and physical resist? Are you running 5 medium / 2 heavy with all impen plus 75+ cp into physical / spell resist?

@FENGRUSH

@Cathexis ok now I am really curious!