FENGRUSH stam sorc builds

Capraid

This is a prime example of how ZOS doesn't care if you exploit known bugs such as: 2H axe bleed and molag kena proc. Instead ZOS is kissing butt and asking OP if they can use his build on battle blah blah blah.

In this video what we have is a player good or not basically telling his viewers and the whole community to cheat why? Because that's the meta in ESO.

Do i like your build? Yes, do I think you're a solid player with solid concepts? Yes, but you don't have to promote cheating/exploiting that my friend brings IMO your integrity as a player down into the dumps alongside with all the other exploiters.

FENGRUSH

acw37162 wrote: »

@fengrush

Your latest video the combo you said to study......

Crit Rush - Light Attack - Wrecking Blow - light attack (while backing up; Molag Kena Proc) - Crit Rush - Wrecking Blow - Executioner ????

Am I right? You have it down and it was very fast and hard to watch on my phone.

Second question, does the light attack to proc Kena eat your empower buff?

This is correct for the most part - when you backpedal for the crit rush after kena proc, youre going to make a decision based on your target. Do you need another WB? Was this a lighter target that didnt block anything? If so, you could be looking at the kill here, which means after that rush, you will likely light atk (bash if needed to pull health slightly lower) then execute. Can repeat light atk execute again if almost had them and theyre not being healed.

Its really just weaving proper rotations, otherwise, you will go back to WB light atk crit rush combos. You will probably need to streak at some point if you dont burst hard on that open, depends on your target entirely. If its a healer blocking a lot, you will be grinding WBs into them to burn their stam down. They will call you a WB spammer - but this is literally your best option to take them down, as youre not really given anything better to do to them.

FENGRUSH

Capraid wrote: »

This is a prime example of how ZOS doesn't care if you exploit known bugs such as: 2H axe bleed and molag kena proc. Instead ZOS is kissing butt and asking OP if they can use his build on battle blah blah blah.

In this video what we have is a player good or not basically telling his viewers and the whole community to cheat why? Because that's the meta in ESO.

Do i like your build? Yes, do I think you're a solid player with solid concepts? Yes, but you don't have to promote cheating/exploiting that my friend brings IMO your integrity as a player down into the dumps alongside with all the other exploiters.

Thanks for the reply - appreciate your honesty and expected some stuff like this - and I dont disagree with the first parts of your post.


There are bugs or unintended mechanics, yes... a lot of newer players or pvpers that dont follow at a high level/ dont have friends at high level to tell them what others are doing are in the dark about some things. The point of me making videos is to help the people that follow me and want to know what is going on. I try to explain that as best as I can in the video. Its not an encouragement to 'cheat'. The reality is, Ive always weaved light attacks even before molag kena. It just so happens, kena will proc if you weave it between WB. Is this a hidden issue that has not been reported? No - its not. It was reported back in November (http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/232698/molag-kena-proc-clarifiction-zos). It was posted in the correct section and ZOS didnt even acknowledge it - its been bug reported as well.

As far as the bleed goes - cant really help theres a 100% bleed. I used maelstrom axe for awhile because it was the only 2 hander that dropped after 40+ VMA runs. If it didnt proc 100%, Id still use it because its effective when it does proc, and thats what matters. Procing would be no problem for me because I weave a lot of instances of attacks. So I dont really care about any of this bleed business when mentioned - its pretty silly to me.

If you feel the build ruins my integrity, that is fine too. Ive been playing an stam sorc for a bit now as an underdog class - my gameplan is not to become the most powerful player created, but to be an entertaining one that overcomes challenges. I encounter bugs in literally every fight.... trying to fight 6 people and having 2 nightblades spamming ambush on me the entire fight knowing it will lock my character up. What does bleed matter at this point, what does kena mean at this point? Its irrelevant - and niether of those issues are as bad as the mechanic and balance issues in the game. Those outweigh anything pointed out in my video.

Also- ZOS does not 'kiss butt' ... they really dont like me, and I dont expect them to based on my streaming. I stream for my viewers, not for ZOS, and while I say lots of positive things about their game, I say plenty of things that I dont find acceptable with it either. I dont promote cheating or winning at any cost. You want to know something funny? Theres actually an infinite stam bug in the game right now that I could use - but you wont see me using it ever on stream or show it in a video. That is the sort of cheating that Id find to be pretty petty. But what Im doing in the video? It really wouldnt change anything in the way I play, its just unintended consequences from a game that wont properly fix/balance.

Hope the long post sheds some light on my PoV.

Capraid

I never said your build ruins your integrity but the fact you use these known issues is what ruins your integrity. As for the axe drop rate or weapon drop rate in vma well working as intended. Yes i know zos has known about these for sometime and yes i know zos doesn't care much for you but that still doesn't make it any better and to say these things aren't as bad as other issues in the game is what's wrong with this game it's community.

bsmorrowb14_ESO

Capraid wrote: »

I never said your build ruins your integrity but the fact you use these known issues is what ruins your integrity.

Capraid

Quick fix use a 2H SWORD or hammer and use 2 consecutive LA's to proc molag. does this change yur build? NO. does it change the fact your are currently using known exploits?Yes.

FENGRUSH

Capraid wrote: »

Quick fix use a 2H SWORD or hammer and use 2 consecutive LA's to proc molag. does this change yur build? NO. does it change the fact your are currently using known exploits?Yes.

That should work out well with ambush spam.

leepalmer95

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Capraid wrote: »

Quick fix use a 2H SWORD or hammer and use 2 consecutive LA's to proc molag. does this change yur build? NO. does it change the fact your are currently using known exploits?Yes.

That should work out well with ambush spam.

I'm pretty sure spreading the expolits etc... so everyone uses them or at least knows about them is the only way to get them fixed, there is so many things that have been around for so long that still aren't fixed.

Reverb is still bugged, camo is bugged (not sure if the patch was successful), the bleed is bugged etc...

Pretty sure the only was there going to get fixed if there exploited by everyone, everyone complains and then zos actually decide to stop making there crown store goat and fix the game.

FENGRUSH

got double camo'd last night when I went WW - not working.

MormondPayne_EP

FENGRUSH wrote: »

got double camo'd last night when I went WW - not working.

Same.

Despite what their patch notes said.

I really don't know what else to say without swearing.

acw37162

FENGRUSH wrote: »

acw37162 wrote: »

@fengrush

Your latest video the combo you said to study......

Crit Rush - Light Attack - Wrecking Blow - light attack (while backing up; Molag Kena Proc) - Crit Rush - Wrecking Blow - Executioner ????

Am I right? You have it down and it was very fast and hard to watch on my phone.

Second question, does the light attack to proc Kena eat your empower buff?

This is correct for the most part - when you backpedal for the crit rush after kena proc, youre going to make a decision based on your target. Do you need another WB? Was this a lighter target that didnt block anything? If so, you could be looking at the kill here, which means after that rush, you will likely light atk (bash if needed to pull health slightly lower) then execute. Can repeat light atk execute again if almost had them and theyre not being healed.

Its really just weaving proper rotations, otherwise, you will go back to WB light atk crit rush combos. You will probably need to streak at some point if you dont burst hard on that open, depends on your target entirely. If its a healer blocking a lot, you will be grinding WBs into them to burn their stam down. They will call you a WB spammer - but this is literally your best option to take them down, as youre not really given anything better to do to them.

Thanks,

Curious question, have you and Tuggles given any thought when your running around together to run Powefull Assault and Spell Power Curr?

Not that you two don't wreck in current set up but those bonuses together with a Kena Proc would seem pretty stout, theory crafting anyway...

Alucardo

FENGRUSH wrote: »

got double camo'd last night when I went WW - not working.

Damn I went to bed early and missed your stream (if you were streaming that). Please tell me you recorded the hilarious ZOS induced rage that most likely ensued.

FENGRUSH

acw37162 wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

acw37162 wrote: »

@fengrush

Your latest video the combo you said to study......

Crit Rush - Light Attack - Wrecking Blow - light attack (while backing up; Molag Kena Proc) - Crit Rush - Wrecking Blow - Executioner ????

Am I right? You have it down and it was very fast and hard to watch on my phone.

Second question, does the light attack to proc Kena eat your empower buff?

This is correct for the most part - when you backpedal for the crit rush after kena proc, youre going to make a decision based on your target. Do you need another WB? Was this a lighter target that didnt block anything? If so, you could be looking at the kill here, which means after that rush, you will likely light atk (bash if needed to pull health slightly lower) then execute. Can repeat light atk execute again if almost had them and theyre not being healed.

Its really just weaving proper rotations, otherwise, you will go back to WB light atk crit rush combos. You will probably need to streak at some point if you dont burst hard on that open, depends on your target entirely. If its a healer blocking a lot, you will be grinding WBs into them to burn their stam down. They will call you a WB spammer - but this is literally your best option to take them down, as youre not really given anything better to do to them.

Thanks,

Curious question, have you and Tuggles given any thought when your running around together to run Powefull Assault and Spell Power Curr?

Not that you two don't wreck in current set up but those bonuses together with a Kena Proc would seem pretty stout, theory crafting anyway...

Yea thought about it - cant do it and run lich as well. Otherwise would run spell power cure.

Alucardo wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

got double camo'd last night when I went WW - not working.

Damn I went to bed early and missed your stream (if you were streaming that). Please tell me you recorded the hilarious ZOS induced rage that most likely ensued.

I was pretty calm - I know it was broken already. But thats the first time I got to confirm it. :P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nG3V1cxrjOo

acw37162

@capraid

Don't know you or Fengrush at all so I'll give both of you the benefit of the doubt.

But one guy I don't know puts his builds and opinions on the Internet to be judged. While doing so in explaining he tells what is and is not an exploit and reports it.

The other guy I don't know watches his video and calls him out.

The first guy I don't know explains himself again and his toughest and thought processes for getting there.

The second guy j don't know calls him out again.

@Fengrush, thanks for sharing some of the pro tips, pro exploits currently going on. It's nice to know why suddenly a group of people are all doing one thing and have someone break from the, don't tell anyone while we farm AP crowd. I'm pretty sure you get it from the pretentious crown and from the elites who don't want there pro-tips exploits on YouTube until they have had enough fun and decide to share.

Corrupted_Soul

Yo @FENGRUSH, nice build and great videos!
One question - the headgear on your Orc, those horns that face behind, how do you get those? Doesn't look like normal kena

Cathexis

@FENGRUSH I have been meaning to ask you, how have you been dealing with gap closer mini stun? Do you find this a problem? (specifically being spammed)

I have always played a stam sorc, and I have been running a heavy armor heavy sustain build. When I am not theorycrafting it and it is in a polished state it is near unstoppable in a 1v1/2v1 (I have both a bow/sword board and 2hand/sword board variants that work well), and I have been inconsistently successful in fights as high as 1v5 and 2v8. It does very, very well in imperial city and duels, but gap closer mini stun has forced me into a long range build in Cyrodiil (although, this is partly my own fault as I play ungrouped/solo and chase large groups for sport).

Do you find that the unbreakable gap closer mini stun is less problematic with a damage focused and/or aoe focused build? I am thinking of trying that balance next (especially since Molag Kena will be purchasable). I guess related to that - do you think it is worth playing ungrouped in Cyrodiil anymore? Do you think a damage focus is a requisite for ungrouped Cyrodiil?

Also, the other evening I got steamrolled by a group of EP while running solo at chal farm and shortly afterwards I'm pretty sure it was your group or a group you were traveling with who showed up and ganked the hell out of them. So thanks for that ^_^ and for the rez.

Jar_Ek

@Cathexis Do you mind sharing your build and options? I feel the more stamina sorcerer builds people know about the more likely people will build stamina sorcerers and the higher the profile the more chance of being listened to.

MrGigglypants

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

I have mad respect for you Fengrush, so this is isn't aimed at you but that's 4 weapon skills, a joker slot, and an ulti for a 20% passive. Stam sorcs are in such a bad place I'm almost giving up on mine (main since EA). I really want her to work, but I feel like if I don't act as a WB/ST robot I'm gimping myself. And those are two of the skills I hate the most in the game :P

I don't mean to derail your thread, I'm sorry. The videos are great, and so are you, I'm just so disheartened at the moment.

I'm definitely not a pro player or anything so maybe my opinion is wrong, but a lot of my issues with stam sorc would be solved if we could crit shields and blockers. Without shield breaker, I really don't have much of a chance against a good Sorc as my self healing gets wrecked. I also think we need a way to layer dmg so it comes out as burst. You know how magicka sorc does Curse, Endless Fury, Frags proc so that they all do dmg at once? Stam sorcs need some kind of mechanic like that. Stam DK and Stam NB use their ultimates to layer their burst dmg but Sorc has no ultimate that works that way and have to rely on Bats or Dawnbreaker.

You are correct - that is why I use meteor to lay in heavy damage with Wblow as well.

Also agree on shields not allowing crits. This was a huge complaint of mine coming into patch. They should amp shield damage a bit if needed to counter this - but people should be able to crit shields. It literally negates peoples class/armor/skill setups, and its generally screwed up.

Any tips for using Meteor? I've used it myself often but it is a real pain against Cloaking NB or reflecting DK or 1h&s user. The incoming animation for Meteor is so obvious that it is rare someone doesn't block it and get out of the dot dmg almost immediately.

NBs you can reveal them just before impact with spin2win and they will take the full hit banking on avoiding it all to begin with. Could also use a detect pot. Its really about timing, and sometimes it just doesnt connect.

Against DKs, drop an atro if theyre tanky - youre better off. A lot of stam DKs dont put reflect up, you can identify this pretty early on in fighting them.

Better to slot dawn breaker of smiting than atro more efficient and effective in reversing pressure. Atro can be bashed feared or poisoned to easily worthless. Not to mention insane tooltip on magicka sorc and nb 18k crits easy

FENGRUSH

Cathexis wrote: »

@FENGRUSH I have been meaning to ask you, how have you been dealing with gap closer mini stun? Do you find this a problem? (specifically being spammed)

I have always played a stam sorc, and I have been running a heavy armor build. When I am not theorycrafting it and it is in a polished state it is near unstoppable in a 1v1/2v1 (I have both a bow/sword board and 2hand/sword board variants that work well), and I have been inconsistently successful in fights as high as 1v5 and 2v8. It does very, very well in imperial city and duels, but gap closer mini stun has forced me into a long range build in Cyrodiil (although, this is partly my own fault as I play ungrouped/solo and chase large groups for sport).

Do you find that the mini stun is less problematic with a damage focused and/or aoe focused build? I am thinking of trying that balance next.

Also, the other evening I got steamrolled by a group of EP while running solo at chal farm and shortly afterwards I'm pretty sure it was your group or a group you were traveling with who showed up and ganked the hell out of them. So thanks for that ^_^ and for the rez.

The gap closer spam is serious bad to deal with on stam sorc because mobility is one of our big strengths, and the freezing just destroys the movement you get.

S+B is very good and Ill have it in my next build, but I find it tougher to close down targets in a bigger group or put it to good use. I find using the bulldozer build and coming in dropping someone fast then moving out to strike again works best in those scenarios. May need to practice on it more though.

FENGRUSH

MrGigglypants wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

I have mad respect for you Fengrush, so this is isn't aimed at you but that's 4 weapon skills, a joker slot, and an ulti for a 20% passive. Stam sorcs are in such a bad place I'm almost giving up on mine (main since EA). I really want her to work, but I feel like if I don't act as a WB/ST robot I'm gimping myself. And those are two of the skills I hate the most in the game :P

I don't mean to derail your thread, I'm sorry. The videos are great, and so are you, I'm just so disheartened at the moment.

I'm definitely not a pro player or anything so maybe my opinion is wrong, but a lot of my issues with stam sorc would be solved if we could crit shields and blockers. Without shield breaker, I really don't have much of a chance against a good Sorc as my self healing gets wrecked. I also think we need a way to layer dmg so it comes out as burst. You know how magicka sorc does Curse, Endless Fury, Frags proc so that they all do dmg at once? Stam sorcs need some kind of mechanic like that. Stam DK and Stam NB use their ultimates to layer their burst dmg but Sorc has no ultimate that works that way and have to rely on Bats or Dawnbreaker.

You are correct - that is why I use meteor to lay in heavy damage with Wblow as well.

Also agree on shields not allowing crits. This was a huge complaint of mine coming into patch. They should amp shield damage a bit if needed to counter this - but people should be able to crit shields. It literally negates peoples class/armor/skill setups, and its generally screwed up.

Any tips for using Meteor? I've used it myself often but it is a real pain against Cloaking NB or reflecting DK or 1h&s user. The incoming animation for Meteor is so obvious that it is rare someone doesn't block it and get out of the dot dmg almost immediately.

NBs you can reveal them just before impact with spin2win and they will take the full hit banking on avoiding it all to begin with. Could also use a detect pot. Its really about timing, and sometimes it just doesnt connect.

Against DKs, drop an atro if theyre tanky - youre better off. A lot of stam DKs dont put reflect up, you can identify this pretty early on in fighting them.

Better to slot dawn breaker of smiting than atro more efficient and effective in reversing pressure. Atro can be bashed feared or poisoned to easily worthless. Not to mention insane tooltip on magicka sorc and nb 18k crits easy

DB is good if your regen is allright - Ive added WW and focused my build around them. You get the extra regen that you would get close to atro, but the WW ult is a great equalizer on taking down tankier setups or healers that want to block forever.

Corrupted_Soul wrote: »

Yo @FENGRUSH, nice build and great videos!
One question - the headgear on your Orc, those horns that face behind, how do you get those? Doesn't look like normal kena

Thats the Xivkyn heavy costume from imperial chests!

Cathexis

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

@FENGRUSH I have been meaning to ask you, how have you been dealing with gap closer mini stun? Do you find this a problem? (specifically being spammed)

I have always played a stam sorc, and I have been running a heavy armor build. When I am not theorycrafting it and it is in a polished state it is near unstoppable in a 1v1/2v1 (I have both a bow/sword board and 2hand/sword board variants that work well), and I have been inconsistently successful in fights as high as 1v5 and 2v8. It does very, very well in imperial city and duels, but gap closer mini stun has forced me into a long range build in Cyrodiil (although, this is partly my own fault as I play ungrouped/solo and chase large groups for sport).

Do you find that the mini stun is less problematic with a damage focused and/or aoe focused build? I am thinking of trying that balance next.

Also, the other evening I got steamrolled by a group of EP while running solo at chal farm and shortly afterwards I'm pretty sure it was your group or a group you were traveling with who showed up and ganked the hell out of them. So thanks for that ^_^ and for the rez.

The gap closer spam is serious bad to deal with on stam sorc because mobility is one of our big strengths, and the freezing just destroys the movement you get.

S+B is very good and Ill have it in my next build, but I find it tougher to close down targets in a bigger group or put it to good use. I find using the bulldozer build and coming in dropping someone fast then moving out to strike again works best in those scenarios. May need to practice on it more though.

@FENGRUSH I was getting that sense with my 2 hand build but because I don't use a damage focus I found it a struggle to achieve burst and move out in cyro, as I was getting mobbed down a significant enough % of the time to be annoying. I have actually found my single target damage output to be more effective with a sword board for melee although (@Jar_Ek it pains me when I say this because I love theory crafting new builds and I always do want to share them, and I do want stamina sorc issue awareness addressed) I'm never too keen on posting insights that seem to give me an edge in PvP, so I won't be more detailed than that.

Jar_Ek

@Cathexis Fair enough. I am guessing it uses Light-Pierce-Bash weaving, Invasion, and Defensive stance rather than Reverb-Bash. But is probably still surge reliant rather than vigour?

Tomato

How do you have 1500 impen plus 17000 spell and physical resist? Are you running 5 medium / 2 heavy with all impen plus 75+ cp into physical / spell resist?

@FENGRUSH

Cathexis

Jar_Ek wrote: »

@Cathexis Fair enough. I am guessing it uses Light-Pierce-Bash weaving, Invasion, and Defensive stance rather than Reverb-Bash. But is probably still surge reliant rather than vigour?

None of the above ^_^ but that is a good combo. I will say this though, reflect does not fit onto my bar. I have tried to make it work, but it just doesn't. Don't get me wrong - I love it, its a great utility - but after boiling down the essentials a thousand times, defensive stance never quite fits. It screws up my buffs and rotations because it is a range tactical buff on a melee bar, and I do quite well fighting range based classes so I don't really need it there.

Jar_Ek

@Cathexis ok now I am really curious!

heady88

Hey,
i just hit v16 with my sorc, it's my first char and i didnt know that the racial bonus is important... So i went dunmer.
I am running a stam sorc, but I am having a massiv issue with hit points.
WIthout buff food i am currently on 9800 hp. My gear:

Head: Night Mother - Middle - Divines - Stam enchant - Purple
Torso: Hundings Rage - Heavy - Divines - Stam enchant - Purple
Shoulders: Night Mother - Middle - Divines - Stam enchant - Purple
Belt: Hundings Rage - Light - Divines - Stam enchant - Purple
Hands: Hundings Rage - Middle - Divines - Stam enchant - Purple
Legs: Hundings Rage - Middle - Infused - Stam enchant - Gold
Boots: Hindings Rage - Middle - Divines - Stam enchant - Purple
All v16

Just got the necklace of the agility set with + max stam. My rings are still on v10 without any set bonus.
My issue now is that I have no idea how I should change my gear to get something around 20k hit points, cause at the moment i just die way to fast ...

Any thoughts?