FENGRUSH stam sorc builds

Jura23 · October 2015

I use stampede as well and I think its very useful skill. Good to see someone legit actually use that morph.

Erock25 · October 2015

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

I have mad respect for you Fengrush, so this is isn't aimed at you but that's 4 weapon skills, a joker slot, and an ulti for a 20% passive. Stam sorcs are in such a bad place I'm almost giving up on mine (main since EA). I really want her to work, but I feel like if I don't act as a WB/ST robot I'm gimping myself. And those are two of the skills I hate the most in the game :P

I don't mean to derail your thread, I'm sorry. The videos are great, and so are you, I'm just so disheartened at the moment.

I'm definitely not a pro player or anything so maybe my opinion is wrong, but a lot of my issues with stam sorc would be solved if we could crit shields and blockers. Without shield breaker, I really don't have much of a chance against a good Sorc as my self healing gets wrecked. I also think we need a way to layer dmg so it comes out as burst. You know how magicka sorc does Curse, Endless Fury, Frags proc so that they all do dmg at once? Stam sorcs need some kind of mechanic like that. Stam DK and Stam NB use their ultimates to layer their burst dmg but Sorc has no ultimate that works that way and have to rely on Bats or Dawnbreaker.

You are correct - that is why I use meteor to lay in heavy damage with Wblow as well.

Also agree on shields not allowing crits. This was a huge complaint of mine coming into patch. They should amp shield damage a bit if needed to counter this - but people should be able to crit shields. It literally negates peoples class/armor/skill setups, and its generally screwed up.

Any tips for using Meteor? I've used it myself often but it is a real pain against Cloaking NB or reflecting DK or 1h&s user. The incoming animation for Meteor is so obvious that it is rare someone doesn't block it and get out of the dot dmg almost immediately.

Minno · October 2015

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

I have mad respect for you Fengrush, so this is isn't aimed at you but that's 4 weapon skills, a joker slot, and an ulti for a 20% passive. Stam sorcs are in such a bad place I'm almost giving up on mine (main since EA). I really want her to work, but I feel like if I don't act as a WB/ST robot I'm gimping myself. And those are two of the skills I hate the most in the game :P

I don't mean to derail your thread, I'm sorry. The videos are great, and so are you, I'm just so disheartened at the moment.

I'm definitely not a pro player or anything so maybe my opinion is wrong, but a lot of my issues with stam sorc would be solved if we could crit shields and blockers. Without shield breaker, I really don't have much of a chance against a good Sorc as my self healing gets wrecked. I also think we need a way to layer dmg so it comes out as burst. You know how magicka sorc does Curse, Endless Fury, Frags proc so that they all do dmg at once? Stam sorcs need some kind of mechanic like that. Stam DK and Stam NB use their ultimates to layer their burst dmg but Sorc has no ultimate that works that way and have to rely on Bats or Dawnbreaker.

You are correct - that is why I use meteor to lay in heavy damage with Wblow as well.

Also agree on shields not allowing crits. This was a huge complaint of mine coming into patch. They should amp shield damage a bit if needed to counter this - but people should be able to crit shields. It literally negates peoples class/armor/skill setups, and its generally screwed up.

And on the flip side, shields should crit as well. Seems like a good balance tradeoff.

Id take that for sure - should just be some level of consistency. This is a big reason why shields were so damn killer last patch, but shield stacking is still a thing now. If the magicka sorc can manage his stam throughout the fight and can always CC break, well... its pretty tough. The reality is its very rare to run into well managed magicka sorcs.

At least in this patch, shield stack has a trade off (stam regen). The same pressure a sorc gives, we give him back but with CC. The good sorcs will be harder, but that challenge is what pulls me into pvp.

Also forcing boredom is a viable tactic too. Some of these solo sorcs are looking for easy kills. You give him 15 min of dancing, and they run away to find easier targets. I'd consider that a win since you didn't give him AP/kill count. (Tank win)

Minno · October 2015

Erock25 wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

I have mad respect for you Fengrush, so this is isn't aimed at you but that's 4 weapon skills, a joker slot, and an ulti for a 20% passive. Stam sorcs are in such a bad place I'm almost giving up on mine (main since EA). I really want her to work, but I feel like if I don't act as a WB/ST robot I'm gimping myself. And those are two of the skills I hate the most in the game :P

I don't mean to derail your thread, I'm sorry. The videos are great, and so are you, I'm just so disheartened at the moment.

I'm definitely not a pro player or anything so maybe my opinion is wrong, but a lot of my issues with stam sorc would be solved if we could crit shields and blockers. Without shield breaker, I really don't have much of a chance against a good Sorc as my self healing gets wrecked. I also think we need a way to layer dmg so it comes out as burst. You know how magicka sorc does Curse, Endless Fury, Frags proc so that they all do dmg at once? Stam sorcs need some kind of mechanic like that. Stam DK and Stam NB use their ultimates to layer their burst dmg but Sorc has no ultimate that works that way and have to rely on Bats or Dawnbreaker.

You are correct - that is why I use meteor to lay in heavy damage with Wblow as well.

Also agree on shields not allowing crits. This was a huge complaint of mine coming into patch. They should amp shield damage a bit if needed to counter this - but people should be able to crit shields. It literally negates peoples class/armor/skill setups, and its generally screwed up.

Any tips for using Meteor? I've used it myself often but it is a real pain against Cloaking NB or reflecting DK or 1h&s user. The incoming animation for Meteor is so obvious that it is rare someone doesn't block it and get out of the dot dmg almost immediately.

A good combo is to use a CC with a snare before popping a meteor.

Ezareth · October 2015

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

I have mad respect for you Fengrush, so this is isn't aimed at you but that's 4 weapon skills, a joker slot, and an ulti for a 20% passive. Stam sorcs are in such a bad place I'm almost giving up on mine (main since EA). I really want her to work, but I feel like if I don't act as a WB/ST robot I'm gimping myself. And those are two of the skills I hate the most in the game :P

I don't mean to derail your thread, I'm sorry. The videos are great, and so are you, I'm just so disheartened at the moment.

I'm definitely not a pro player or anything so maybe my opinion is wrong, but a lot of my issues with stam sorc would be solved if we could crit shields and blockers. Without shield breaker, I really don't have much of a chance against a good Sorc as my self healing gets wrecked. I also think we need a way to layer dmg so it comes out as burst. You know how magicka sorc does Curse, Endless Fury, Frags proc so that they all do dmg at once? Stam sorcs need some kind of mechanic like that. Stam DK and Stam NB use their ultimates to layer their burst dmg but Sorc has no ultimate that works that way and have to rely on Bats or Dawnbreaker.

You are correct - that is why I use meteor to lay in heavy damage with Wblow as well.

Also agree on shields not allowing crits. This was a huge complaint of mine coming into patch. They should amp shield damage a bit if needed to counter this - but people should be able to crit shields. It literally negates peoples class/armor/skill setups, and its generally screwed up.

I've thought long and hard on the whole shield being crit thing and I just can't get behind it mainly because the existence of this adds complexity to the game. If shield become the same as hitpoints then it is basically just a heal and then everything just becomes max damage or max defense and you're just as strong against one build as you are to the next.

Right now for instance Maces are better in PvP and PVE for everything.....except when you're fighting against damage shields which have no armor. I kind of like the whole paper scissors rock approach to PvP because if you don't have that then everything homogenizes around the same exact build for every player and we all become copies of one another.

For instance, Erocks issue with a stam sorc fighting a magicka sorc would be different if he (or you) were running Ball of Lightning instead of Streak. Ball of Lightning would make you weaker versus nightblades and perhaps other classes but against magicka sorcs you could bolt escape to wrecking blow range and be perfectly free to wrecking blow them without worrying about that fragment hitting you and knocking you down or them overloading your face.

It's a choice to the build you design that makes it stronger against one type of matchup and weaker against another.

Builds running a high amount of weapon damage and swords will fare better against a sorc with shields than a build running high crit and maces (not saying this is really a choice per se).

My point is, keep the complexity in the game, make other less fundamental chances to balance things (reduce shield value etc).

FENGRUSH · October 2015

Erock25 wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

I have mad respect for you Fengrush, so this is isn't aimed at you but that's 4 weapon skills, a joker slot, and an ulti for a 20% passive. Stam sorcs are in such a bad place I'm almost giving up on mine (main since EA). I really want her to work, but I feel like if I don't act as a WB/ST robot I'm gimping myself. And those are two of the skills I hate the most in the game :P

I don't mean to derail your thread, I'm sorry. The videos are great, and so are you, I'm just so disheartened at the moment.

I'm definitely not a pro player or anything so maybe my opinion is wrong, but a lot of my issues with stam sorc would be solved if we could crit shields and blockers. Without shield breaker, I really don't have much of a chance against a good Sorc as my self healing gets wrecked. I also think we need a way to layer dmg so it comes out as burst. You know how magicka sorc does Curse, Endless Fury, Frags proc so that they all do dmg at once? Stam sorcs need some kind of mechanic like that. Stam DK and Stam NB use their ultimates to layer their burst dmg but Sorc has no ultimate that works that way and have to rely on Bats or Dawnbreaker.

You are correct - that is why I use meteor to lay in heavy damage with Wblow as well.

Also agree on shields not allowing crits. This was a huge complaint of mine coming into patch. They should amp shield damage a bit if needed to counter this - but people should be able to crit shields. It literally negates peoples class/armor/skill setups, and its generally screwed up.

Any tips for using Meteor? I've used it myself often but it is a real pain against Cloaking NB or reflecting DK or 1h&s user. The incoming animation for Meteor is so obvious that it is rare someone doesn't block it and get out of the dot dmg almost immediately.

NBs you can reveal them just before impact with spin2win and they will take the full hit banking on avoiding it all to begin with. Could also use a detect pot. Its really about timing, and sometimes it just doesnt connect.

Against DKs, drop an atro if theyre tanky - youre better off. A lot of stam DKs dont put reflect up, you can identify this pretty early on in fighting them.

Kerioko · October 2015

Nice builds!

bsmorrowb14_ESO · October 2015

This looks pretty fun. Do you think Red Guard would fit this build as well?

Minno · October 2015

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

I have mad respect for you Fengrush, so this is isn't aimed at you but that's 4 weapon skills, a joker slot, and an ulti for a 20% passive. Stam sorcs are in such a bad place I'm almost giving up on mine (main since EA). I really want her to work, but I feel like if I don't act as a WB/ST robot I'm gimping myself. And those are two of the skills I hate the most in the game :P

I don't mean to derail your thread, I'm sorry. The videos are great, and so are you, I'm just so disheartened at the moment.

I'm definitely not a pro player or anything so maybe my opinion is wrong, but a lot of my issues with stam sorc would be solved if we could crit shields and blockers. Without shield breaker, I really don't have much of a chance against a good Sorc as my self healing gets wrecked. I also think we need a way to layer dmg so it comes out as burst. You know how magicka sorc does Curse, Endless Fury, Frags proc so that they all do dmg at once? Stam sorcs need some kind of mechanic like that. Stam DK and Stam NB use their ultimates to layer their burst dmg but Sorc has no ultimate that works that way and have to rely on Bats or Dawnbreaker.

You are correct - that is why I use meteor to lay in heavy damage with Wblow as well.

Also agree on shields not allowing crits. This was a huge complaint of mine coming into patch. They should amp shield damage a bit if needed to counter this - but people should be able to crit shields. It literally negates peoples class/armor/skill setups, and its generally screwed up.

Any tips for using Meteor? I've used it myself often but it is a real pain against Cloaking NB or reflecting DK or 1h&s user. The incoming animation for Meteor is so obvious that it is rare someone doesn't block it and get out of the dot dmg almost immediately.

NBs you can reveal them just before impact with spin2win and they will take the full hit banking on avoiding it all to begin with. Could also use a detect pot. Its really about timing, and sometimes it just doesnt connect.

Against DKs, drop an atro if theyre tanky - youre better off. A lot of stam DKs dont put reflect up, you can identify this pretty early on in fighting them.

GreenSoup2HoT · October 2015

Just commenting because Fengrush is an amazing player. One of the few pkayer's who is true to his character regardless if it's meta or not. He is someone everyone should be inspired to play like, expect with there own character's/build's/playstyle's.

Good job Feng!

gibous · October 2015

FENGRUSH you may want to consider tweaking the Ali build slightly for Battlemaster's Corner - maybe hybridize it some more and completely trash the build's sustain + damage. And rename it Don King.

a.skelton92 · October 2015

Watch the sheep flock to their master

dodgehopper_ESO · October 2015

bsmorrowb14_ESO wrote: »

This looks pretty fun. Do you think Red Guard would fit this build as well?

I definitely think so. It will have less mobility, slightly less damage, and more stamina sustain than the Orc version.

Minno · October 2015

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

bsmorrowb14_ESO wrote: »

This looks pretty fun. Do you think Red Guard would fit this build as well?

I definitely think so. It will have less mobility, slightly less damage, and more stamina sustain than the Orc version.

Worth a try. You would have to test if you need more weapon dmg enchants/gear to balance the redquard regen properties.

Ezareth · October 2015

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

bsmorrowb14_ESO wrote: »

This looks pretty fun. Do you think Red Guard would fit this build as well?

I definitely think so. It will have less mobility, slightly less damage, and more stamina sustain than the Orc version.

I run 7/7 Medium armor, have the 120 point Windrunning Passive and use Double-take sprint 100% of the time and have difficulty hanging with FENGRUSH in his full sprint mode through the sewers. That orc passive is pretty amazing, and when you have an EP zerg of 30-60 on your heels howling for blood it is worth it.

That said, I think Redguard is just as good as Orc, the stamina bonus balances out the weapon damage it's just a difference between speed and sustain. 3% of your stamina pool every 5 seconds while fighting is nothing to sneeze at.

MisterBigglesworth · October 2015

Just wait 'til this goes Live and watch the Stam Sorc REALLY shine!

Stam Sorcs be like:

dodgehopper_ESO · October 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

bsmorrowb14_ESO wrote: »

This looks pretty fun. Do you think Red Guard would fit this build as well?

I definitely think so. It will have less mobility, slightly less damage, and more stamina sustain than the Orc version.

I run 7/7 Medium armor, have the 120 point Windrunning Passive and use Double-take sprint 100% of the time and have difficulty hanging with FENGRUSH in his full sprint mode through the sewers. That orc passive is pretty amazing, and when you have an EP zerg of 30-60 on your heels howling for blood it is worth it.

That said, I think Redguard is just as good as Orc, the stamina bonus balances out the weapon damage it's just a difference between speed and sustain. 3% of your stamina pool every 5 seconds while fighting is nothing to sneeze at.

I agree, just giving pros and cons.

Jade1986 · October 2015

Nice build indeed, but all that stuff on the screen made me want to claw my eyes out. >_<.

Valderis · October 2015

Great video and discussion on Stam Sorc pros/cons. I learned a bit about how play style really influences the effectiveness of this build.

Im running a Stam Sorc build, DW/2h, but I wrestle with the need for 1 ranged ability.
I also echo the call for a Stam Sorc build that incorporates more Sorcerer abilities into the mix.

Do you think it is at all viable to use Mages Wrath/Fury, adjusting Attributes/CP/Gear/Stat priority to make it powerful?

My reasoning is that, a ranged ability is practical and Magicka is only used for an Armor Buff or Streak (or restraining prison in my case for pvp). Power Surge or Entropy could be used for +20% Sp Dmg.

Alucardo · October 2015

a.skelton92 wrote: »

Why do people feel the need to have a live feed of themselves at the bottom of a video?

As mentioned it's from a twitch stream, and I just find the whole thing more sociable. I like it personally. And who doesn't like looking at FENGRUSH anyway. What a boss.

Erock25 · October 2015

Valderis wrote: »

Great video and discussion on Stam Sorc pros/cons. I learned a bit about how play style really influences the effectiveness of this build.

Im running a Stam Sorc build, DW/2h, but I wrestle with the need for 1 ranged ability.
I also echo the call for a Stam Sorc build that incorporates more Sorcerer abilities into the mix.

Do you think it is at all viable to use Mages Wrath/Fury, adjusting Attributes/CP/Gear/Stat priority to make it powerful?

My reasoning is that, a ranged ability is practical and Magicka is only used for an Armor Buff or Streak (or restraining prison in my case for pvp). Power Surge or Entropy could be used for +20% Sp Dmg.

No. Use flying blade as your range if you must. Your sorc execute will tickle, even in execute range.

FENGRUSH · October 2015

Valderis wrote: »

Great video and discussion on Stam Sorc pros/cons. I learned a bit about how play style really influences the effectiveness of this build.

Im running a Stam Sorc build, DW/2h, but I wrestle with the need for 1 ranged ability.
I also echo the call for a Stam Sorc build that incorporates more Sorcerer abilities into the mix.

Do you think it is at all viable to use Mages Wrath/Fury, adjusting Attributes/CP/Gear/Stat priority to make it powerful?

My reasoning is that, a ranged ability is practical and Magicka is only used for an Armor Buff or Streak (or restraining prison in my case for pvp). Power Surge or Entropy could be used for +20% Sp Dmg.

Yea I played around with a hybrid and its just backwards how poor it performs while making other things suffer in an attempt to do so.

With CP cap coming soon - all hybrids just became that much more impossible and will take that much longer to ever see them in game.

Groggolo · October 2015

Erock25 wrote: »

Valderis wrote: »

Great video and discussion on Stam Sorc pros/cons. I learned a bit about how play style really influences the effectiveness of this build.

Im running a Stam Sorc build, DW/2h, but I wrestle with the need for 1 ranged ability.
I also echo the call for a Stam Sorc build that incorporates more Sorcerer abilities into the mix.

Do you think it is at all viable to use Mages Wrath/Fury, adjusting Attributes/CP/Gear/Stat priority to make it powerful?

My reasoning is that, a ranged ability is practical and Magicka is only used for an Armor Buff or Streak (or restraining prison in my case for pvp). Power Surge or Entropy could be used for +20% Sp Dmg.

No. Use flying blade as your range if you must. Your sorc execute will tickle, even in execute range.

Dare to explain to a noob :P? What sorc execute you are referring to?

Maulkin · October 2015

Groggolo wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Valderis wrote: »

Great video and discussion on Stam Sorc pros/cons. I learned a bit about how play style really influences the effectiveness of this build.

Im running a Stam Sorc build, DW/2h, but I wrestle with the need for 1 ranged ability.
I also echo the call for a Stam Sorc build that incorporates more Sorcerer abilities into the mix.

Do you think it is at all viable to use Mages Wrath/Fury, adjusting Attributes/CP/Gear/Stat priority to make it powerful?

My reasoning is that, a ranged ability is practical and Magicka is only used for an Armor Buff or Streak (or restraining prison in my case for pvp). Power Surge or Entropy could be used for +20% Sp Dmg.

No. Use flying blade as your range if you must. Your sorc execute will tickle, even in execute range.

Dare to explain to a noob :P? What sorc execute you are referring to?

Mage's Fury?

Groggolo · October 2015

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Groggolo wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Valderis wrote: »

Great video and discussion on Stam Sorc pros/cons. I learned a bit about how play style really influences the effectiveness of this build.

Im running a Stam Sorc build, DW/2h, but I wrestle with the need for 1 ranged ability.
I also echo the call for a Stam Sorc build that incorporates more Sorcerer abilities into the mix.

Do you think it is at all viable to use Mages Wrath/Fury, adjusting Attributes/CP/Gear/Stat priority to make it powerful?

My reasoning is that, a ranged ability is practical and Magicka is only used for an Armor Buff or Streak (or restraining prison in my case for pvp). Power Surge or Entropy could be used for +20% Sp Dmg.

No. Use flying blade as your range if you must. Your sorc execute will tickle, even in execute range.

Dare to explain to a noob :P? What sorc execute you are referring to?

Mage's Fury?

Thanks I just don't understand how flying blade will tickle Mage's fury, you need first to bring the target below 20% health...then Mage's Fury doesn't do much damage on a Stamina Sorc with 100% attributes in Stamina...

glavius · October 2015

The orc speed buff is crap.
Non orc sprinting =130% of base move speed.
Orc sprinting=133% of base move speed......

Erock25 · October 2015

Groggolo wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Groggolo wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Valderis wrote: »

Great video and discussion on Stam Sorc pros/cons. I learned a bit about how play style really influences the effectiveness of this build.

Im running a Stam Sorc build, DW/2h, but I wrestle with the need for 1 ranged ability.
I also echo the call for a Stam Sorc build that incorporates more Sorcerer abilities into the mix.

Do you think it is at all viable to use Mages Wrath/Fury, adjusting Attributes/CP/Gear/Stat priority to make it powerful?

My reasoning is that, a ranged ability is practical and Magicka is only used for an Armor Buff or Streak (or restraining prison in my case for pvp). Power Surge or Entropy could be used for +20% Sp Dmg.

No. Use flying blade as your range if you must. Your sorc execute will tickle, even in execute range.

Dare to explain to a noob :P? What sorc execute you are referring to?

Mage's Fury?

Thanks I just don't understand how flying blade will tickle Mage's fury, you need first to bring the target below 20% health...then Mage's Fury doesn't do much damage on a Stamina Sorc with 100% attributes in Stamina...

Think we're having a bit of a language and phrase mix up. When I said your sorc execute (Mage's Fury) will tickle even in execute range I mean that it will be very weak. I was telling that guy if he had to have a range option in a dw/2h build that he should use Flying Blade instead of Mage's Fury.

Groggolo · October 2015

Erock25 wrote: »

Groggolo wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Groggolo wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Valderis wrote: »

Great video and discussion on Stam Sorc pros/cons. I learned a bit about how play style really influences the effectiveness of this build.

Im running a Stam Sorc build, DW/2h, but I wrestle with the need for 1 ranged ability.
I also echo the call for a Stam Sorc build that incorporates more Sorcerer abilities into the mix.

Do you think it is at all viable to use Mages Wrath/Fury, adjusting Attributes/CP/Gear/Stat priority to make it powerful?

My reasoning is that, a ranged ability is practical and Magicka is only used for an Armor Buff or Streak (or restraining prison in my case for pvp). Power Surge or Entropy could be used for +20% Sp Dmg.

No. Use flying blade as your range if you must. Your sorc execute will tickle, even in execute range.

Dare to explain to a noob :P? What sorc execute you are referring to?

Mage's Fury?

Thanks I just don't understand how flying blade will tickle Mage's fury, you need first to bring the target below 20% health...then Mage's Fury doesn't do much damage on a Stamina Sorc with 100% attributes in Stamina...

Think we're having a bit of a language and phrase mix up. When I said your sorc execute (Mage's Fury) will tickle even in execute range I mean that it will be very weak. I was telling that guy if he had to have a range option in a dw/2h build that he should use Flying Blade instead of Mage's Fury.

Gotcha, thanks for clarifying. Actually I was thinking to combine Mage's Fury with Executioner, casting them one after an other, yet for a Stamina Sorc probably Mage's Fury is simply a waste of a slot...

thomasvaughn21_ESO · October 2015

Does the heal from rally and crit surge stack? I know the 20% damage bonus doesnt stack but can you have the heal from rally going and also be getting the heals from crit surge at the same time? Or is the only heal you get is the last ability you used?

AfkNinja · October 2015

thomasvaughn21_ESO wrote: »

Does the heal from rally and crit surge stack? I know the 20% damage bonus doesnt stack but can you have the heal from rally going and also be getting the heals from crit surge at the same time? Or is the only heal you get is the last ability you used?

They should stack as they are not the same buff. Only the 20% wep power won't stack.