Yeh some times i get 2 crits and onebow combo people. One last thing to ask what does more damage after ambush supprise attack or hidden dagger as in the duel wield tree i get 16% more damage on stuned enemys?
Would ambusg>suprise attack>then span dagger till stun comes off be good

Soris wrote: »

Again not expert on NBs but I'd use Surprise Attack at least once just to debuff enemy. As for Hidden Blade dmg bonus, people will CC break almost instantly after being CCed, so its bonus damage may be wasted most of the time.

For me, Surprise Attack is better because its armor reduction debuff stacks with dual maces and sharpened, means you ignore a ton of armor. And also good damage for a spamable ability. You have bow already for range, you don't need Hidden Blade I think.

I like using blade because it does 20% more damage if there below 25% i find if someones about to heal and i cant go to bow forsome resene its a nice 28m finisher. Do you know why i can stun after ambush with dark cloak then supprise attack but not stealth supprise attack then abush ?

As long as you are holding your pair of Dual Wielded weapons, any attacks on a Off-Balanced/Rooted/Silenced/Stunned target activates the Ruffian passive. This fact makes DW feel like it was made for NBs, as it combos so well with Veiled Strike and it's morphs along with the whole stealth based gameplay.

As for the stealthed attack, the first hit that connects with the target will get the stealth bonus (And any hits that connect within 0.5 sec of the first hit), so if you are sniping someone, time all your attacks to hit at the same time. And for the record, your cloak doesn't grant stealth attack bonuses. Only crouched stealth does that. The only passives the activate while cloaked are Master Assassin and Stealthy.

With the current high damage meta in PvP, executes aren't really needed unless you are fighting a permablocker, and even then, as a Nightblade, you can use fear to force the block to drop, allowing you to use standard Surprise Attack spam to finish them off. Thus Flying Blade while also having a bow on off swap is completely redundant.

Ambush is a rather unique gap closer, in the fact that it teleports you rather then charging to the destination. What ambush does is that it teleports you first, then deals the damage after a 0.5 second delay + animation lag. In addition, the GCD of this skill begins when you press the button, so at max distance, the delay between the damage being applied and you pressing the button is roughly 1.5 seconds, which allows a 0.2 second window where you are still "In stealth" beside your target. Thus you can activate Surprise Attack for the stealthed bonus in addition to the ambush, which is incidentally the stun + armor debuff.

Soris wrote: »

DeanTheCat wrote: »

As long as you are holding your pair of Dual Wielded weapons, any attacks on a Off-Balanced/Rooted/Silenced/Stunned target activates the Ruffian passive. This fact makes DW feel like it was made for NBs, as it combos so well with Veiled Strike and it's morphs along with the whole stealth based gameplay.

It says "while using dw attacks" So it is bug?

He means the stun from veild strike works well if you follow with a dw abilty

Yeah I meant that thanks for clarifying.
So in practise, Ambush + Surprise Attack combo from stealth grants you 1) Immobilize, stun and damage multiplier via stealth bonus, 2) 20% empower for your next attack through Ambush, 3) 15% dmg bonus from Ruffian and 4) Armor reduction
Right?
That's a really good combo. I never thought in this way and it explains my death recaps quite a lot. And I will use this knowledge in Blackwater Blade on my lvl 10 nb

Oh and before all these, add that bugged dual sharpened maces armor ignore thingy. LOL. My hat is off to you nightblades.

I you sure that supprise attack works with that passive i cant find anywhere on google does all say only works with dw abiltys

DeanTheCat wrote: »

ZoS never writes clear tooltips, and it does work. Add that to the fact that dual wield allows for max weapon damage and you'll be looking at 14k damage (Not joking) Surprise Attacks.

Wow i use daggers for the crit should i go swords or can i reach that damage with daggers

DeanTheCat wrote: »

You need 4k+ Weapon Damage, along with 28k+ stamina. Then either use maces, or Mark your target and use swords. But on the other hand you'll be about as durable as wet tissue paper, and you'll disintegrate if someone sneezes on you. Also, pathetic regen values. May or may not be your cup of tea.

Im imp with 20k health 15k stam but im only vr1 4cp so with gear should have nice stam what enchant for my swords?

Armor debuff only applies from stealth/invis. Are you sure you don't have any sets/enchants that also rend armor? Also, do yourself a favor and install some addons, with combat text, a combat log and buff tracker. If you are on console... Well... Good luck?