Monthly cost justified at the current SOTG

gronbek

I mean, compared to certain other MMO titles out there what does TESO offer for the monthly cost? Not much in my opinion.
- No housing
- No auction house
- No underwater system argonians
- No consequence system stealing
- No SLI support
- Game design that totally break immersion in public areas
- Broken loot
- Good combat system
- Non explorable areas, invincible walls.
- Low res textures world objects
- Limited endgame
- Bots problem not solved, getting worse
- No dedicated EU server
- Bugs, too many

A rushed product incomplete in my opinion

Auric_ESO

In your opinion that many of these systems are required for a new MMO on the market. A few of these are addressed in v1.1,x. Some aren't required IMO and some of them will come "someday" maybe. So it's all opinion. I am happy with the game so I'm happy to pay a subscription. The strongest point you make is about bots but I'm giving them a few more months before I start to get upset

Sariias

You described a lot of MMO's right there.

ZiRM

They are making ALOT of $$$ from just The Elder Scrolls name even though the game wasn't ready for retail and all the problems they are having. Exploiters, No AH, No Dye, no barbershop function etc. PvP unbalance and problems...

I agree OP but most of the people would rather hide their head in the sand and deny. The truth hurts, that's why so many choose to ignore it.

ZOS_RobinsonE

Hello everyone,

We have moved this thread to the general discussion section of the forum.

nerevarine1138

By your standards, most MMOs that have been out for years aren't ready to launch.

sylviermoone

While I'm certain there are many "hide their head in the sand" folks out there, there are quite a few of us that fully recognize the games limitations and issues, but are choosing to not freak out and/or wait for the content that is coming.

Justice system, more endgame content, bug fixes, etc are coming in the new patch.

Bots? Well, I know just enough about programming and development to realize that if the answer was "just that simple", they'd have put it in the game already, yes? So obviously the answer is not "just that simple".

I fully agree with @Auric_ESO‌ . I'm *mostly* fully enjoying taking my time and exploring the world around me. Been playing since early access, and my highest lvl char is 26, so I seem to have gone slowly enough that all the " OMG BUGS!!!!!" issues haven't effected me as much. I'm happy to pay my sub, enjoy the journey, and have faith that issues of content and bugs will be fixed by the time I get there. Yeah, the bots are annoying, but I, like many, just report that crap and go do something else for awhile. I fail to see how freaking out and creating eleventy billion threads is going to help the situation.

*high fives to @Auric_ESO‌ *

Getorix

Auric_ESO wrote: »

In your opinion that many of these systems are required for a new MMO on the market. A few of these are addressed in v1.1,x. Some aren't required IMO and some of them will come "someday" maybe. So it's all opinion. I am happy with the game so I'm happy to pay a subscription. The strongest point you make is about bots but I'm giving them a few more months before I start to get upset

I think new mmos need most of those things to be a success, the problem with the Op's post is that "most" mmos out do not have half of those things, most of them are mediocre or total failures though so I wonder why devs don't see that coincidence?

And for the record im not slamming ESO, im slamming devs of most of the mmos released in the last 10 years. Eso actually has many things that other mmos did not have at launch.

Soulharvester

I feel its justified. Things cost money to make and maintain. For things to get better, then a team of people are going to make that happen. That requires an investment from you

jgfuntime

I thought developers used programming gates and logs to capture data and catch the bots running around? Doing that gives them the memory space being used and allows them to run counter programs on the servers to slow or stop this from happening again. Is that not right?

Don't you want the bots to run so you can see how they behave and program your software to fix just that from happening?

Xilc

gronbek wrote: »

I mean, compared to certain other MMO titles out there what does TESO offer for the monthly cost? Not much in my opinion.
- No housing
- No auction house
- No underwater swimming
- No consequence system
- No SLI support
- Game design that totally break immersion in public areas
- Broken loot
- Good combat system
- Non explorable areas, invincible walls.
- Low res textures world objects
- Limited endgame
- Bots problem not solved, getting worse
- No dedicated EU server
- Bugs, too many

A rushed product incomplete in my opinion

If that's the case, then why not just quit? Supply and demand... They supply the game, if it's not what you demand, don't pay for it? There are plenty that do subscribe to the game that are perfectly happy to pay for what they get.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

What the heck is it with swimming? Every single mmo i have played in with underwater swimming it sucks, and is a waste of time.

Yeah yeah, i know just because it has always sucked before, doesn't mean it would have sucked this time! They would have done it right! The magical way no one ever has before!!

SadisticSavior

gronbek wrote: »

I mean, compared to certain other MMO titles out there what does TESO offer for the monthly cost? Not much in my opinion.
- No housing
- No auction house
- No underwater swimming
- No consequence system
- No SLI support
- Game design that totally break immersion in public areas
- Broken loot
- Good combat system
- Non explorable areas, invincible walls.
- Low res textures world objects
- Limited endgame
- Bots problem not solved, getting worse
- No dedicated EU server
- Bugs, too many

A rushed product incomplete in my opinion

1)None of those things are deal breakers for me. Sorry if thats not what you want to hear, but...

2) I have paid for games that had much worse launches. And $15 meant a lot more to me then than it does now.

3) Even with the bot plague this game is still better than all the alternatives. And don't even mention Wildstar...the only way it could be less appealing to me is if they just Called it WoW 2: Electric Boogaloo.

WebBull

gronbek wrote: »

I mean, compared to certain other MMO titles out there what does TESO offer for the monthly cost? Not much in my opinion.
- No housing
- No auction house
- No underwater swimming
- No consequence system
- No SLI support
- Game design that totally break immersion in public areas
- Broken loot
- Good combat system
- Non explorable areas, invincible walls.
- Low res textures world objects
- Limited endgame
- Bots problem not solved, getting worse
- No dedicated EU server
- Bugs, too many

A rushed product incomplete in my opinion

Dear Now Generation Child,

Rome was not built in one day.

No MMO had what you were looking for a month or two from release. MMO's "mature" the longer they are on the market and develop into those areas. Go back to WoW.

roflcopter

My wife spends more than $15 a month on stuff I can't justify. I can't fathom why anyone would complain about $15 a month or justify it against something that is suppose to be entertainment.

If your not entertained.... don't play.

Save yourself a thread and $15 as I don't think this will ever meet your expectations.

FFS $15 a month -_-;

gronbek

Why I am still here and subscribing is because it is a new mmo with potential. One of the few mmo's with a somewhat mature theme. And because of the great combat.

But I still don't think it justifies the monthly cost because it is unfinished and missing a few major systems and has some wrong design decisions.

Anlaemar

tdilloncub18_ESO wrote: »

gronbek wrote: »

I mean, compared to certain other MMO titles out there what does TESO offer for the monthly cost? Not much in my opinion.
- No housing
- No auction house
- No underwater swimming
- No consequence system
- No SLI support
- Game design that totally break immersion in public areas
- Broken loot
- Good combat system
- Non explorable areas, invincible walls.
- Low res textures world objects
- Limited endgame
- Bots problem not solved, getting worse
- No dedicated EU server
- Bugs, too many

A rushed product incomplete in my opinion

Dear Now Generation Child,

Rome was not built in one day.

No MMO had what you were looking for a month or two from release. MMO's "mature" the longer they are on the market and develop into those areas. Go back to WoW.

Like he said. It will take time and some patience for some things that the player base expect to have implemented into the game. You defiantly shouldn't expect the game to roll outa the box 100% completed and every player out there to pick it up and play for years on end. They promised regular content updates for a reason.

I am very content with what's available now.

xramirez535b14_ESO

Still subbed and having a fun time solo strictly PvE. Once my friend jumps on and we try to help each other out in quests, it gets very depressing. Reason I'm still subbed is "fix coming soon". It's not much to go on and may be ignorant of me but I can see a lot of potential with this game. Its not all there but hopefully it will be "soon".

Nox_Aeterna

Im a bit crazy , but i actually enjoy doing the quests , im vet8 right not and i totally think it was worth it to pay so that i keep going foward and checking the story and learning more about each races lore/lifestyle.

I can say that after playing ESO i will never pick races like i have done before playing this game heh.

Being a ES fan , i enjoy the current content of the game. Still , this content has an end , when it ends , i will decide if it is still worth it to play or not.

Tadpole1001

WoW 2: Electric Boogaloo...

I'd pay for that.

PS: Love ESO. A lot of the listed things don't interest me at all.

Ravinsild

SadisticSavior wrote: »

gronbek wrote: »

I mean, compared to certain other MMO titles out there what does TESO offer for the monthly cost? Not much in my opinion.
- No housing
- No auction house
- No underwater swimming
- No consequence system
- No SLI support
- Game design that totally break immersion in public areas
- Broken loot
- Good combat system
- Non explorable areas, invincible walls.
- Low res textures world objects
- Limited endgame
- Bots problem not solved, getting worse
- No dedicated EU server
- Bugs, too many

A rushed product incomplete in my opinion

1)None of those things are deal breakers for me. Sorry if thats not what you want to hear, but...

2) I have paid for games that had much worse launches. And $15 meant a lot more to me then than it does now.

3) Even with the bot plague this game is still better than all the alternatives. And don't even mention Wildstar...the only way it could be less appealing to me is if they just Called it WoW 2: Electric Boogaloo.

Your consistent smugness and high horse riding over people who enjoy WoW is amusing to me.

There are a lot of MMO's I played, didn't like, quit and never went back to...however I also don't make a point in 50% of the threads I post in to bash either.

Nate

NiRN wrote: »

I agree OP but most of the people would rather hide their head in the sand and deny. The truth hurts, that's why so many choose to ignore it.

No, we agree that certain aspects need work. We don't ignore it, we simply don't whine and cry on the forums about every perceived shortcoming as though whining about it will solve anything. Zenimax has their road map of development and things will get resolved in time.

madfeldoreb17_ESO

NiRN wrote: »

They are making ALOT of $$$ from just The Elder Scrolls name even though the game wasn't ready for retail and all the problems they are having. Exploiters, No AH, No Dye, no barbershop function etc. PvP unbalance and problems...

I agree OP but most of the people would rather hide their head in the sand and deny. The truth hurts, that's why so many choose to ignore it.

How much $$$ they are making, do you know? Then again, a company needs $$$ to survive, with or without a name "behind". You feel bad that they are making money because the game is not "perfect" from the start?
What do you mean by hiding "our?" heads in sand or truth hurts? You are saying that if for example I disagree with the OP I am denying something? Many of the things said there or mentioned are either opinions (like I don't for example like AH, never liked it in any MMOSs or like I don't need underwater swimming, didn't wait for Skyrim) or things that are to be come in future patch. Rushed game, well I guess you can say that then if OPs + your list is not yet supported.
I'm just picking few but hmm what this means? Of course should point it to the OP:
"Game design that totally break immersion in public areas" ? Please explain.

Well let me tell you, I can see some problems with this game (exploiters, they are working on them, but they are also in every MMO) but I also see problems fixed in the near future. If I wouldn't believe that, I wouldn't be playing it... hmm actually I correct that, I already like that game - with or without the problems.
There are bugs, there are problems, but to me(!) these are not gamebreakers. Heh, well if that makes me a person who hides his head in sand or something in _your_ opinion, I don't care tbh:)

In the end, I would just wish that people would not try to say how anyone should think. Some like, some don't, some expected something else (especially at start) - it's always so.

No hard feelings though.

Cheers...

BBSooner

Underwater swimming is a selling point? Since when?

I'm having fun, so the cost is justified for me. If you're not I'd suggest finding a game that has the features you desire.

ErykGrimm

gronbek wrote: »

I mean, compared to certain other MMO titles out there what does TESO offer for the monthly cost? Not much in my opinion.
- No housing
- No auction house
- No underwater swimming
- No consequence system
- No SLI support
- Game design that totally break immersion in public areas
- Broken loot
- Good combat system
- Non explorable areas, invincible walls.
- Low res textures world objects
- Limited endgame
- Bots problem not solved, getting worse
- No dedicated EU server
- Bugs, too many

A rushed product incomplete in my opinion

You should do a little research on the topic before you make a fool of yourself in front of the entire community. There has not been a single MMO released in history that had all of its features fully implemented and working. Given time and the creativity of the ESO team this game will be much larger and richer than most of its competition. It already is a large game with copious amounts of content. If you need help researching the genre you are making sweeping generalizations about, I hear hooked on phonics has a great program that could teach you how to read.

snowmanflvb14_ESO

gronbek wrote: »

I mean, compared to certain other MMO titles out there what does TESO offer for the monthly cost? Not much in my opinion.
- No housing
- No auction house
- No underwater swimming
- No consequence system
- No SLI support
- Game design that totally break immersion in public areas
- Broken loot
- Good combat system
- Non explorable areas, invincible walls.
- Low res textures world objects
- Limited endgame
- Bots problem not solved, getting worse
- No dedicated EU server
- Bugs, too many

A rushed product incomplete in my opinion

Nice for some but really most do not care
We do not need an AH thank god we do not have one in this game
Underwater nice but at the moment who really needs it.
Consequences do mean something in this game. Some quests only open up depending on your prior choices. Rewards change on others depending on your actions.
Would be nice for those that have to use SLI to get ultra settings most of the newer cards ( say 3 years old or newer) can run the game fine on ultra settings
Great immersion especially in public areas
Loot seems fine
Nice combat
extremely explorable world
Nice realistic textures on high settings
PvP and upcoming adventure zones
Bots dramatically reducing and having dramatically less impact on the game each week
Few real bugs with each patch fixing those that remain

ErykGrimm

gronbek wrote: »

I mean, compared to certain other MMO titles out there what does TESO offer for the monthly cost? Not much in my opinion.
- No housing
- No auction house
- No underwater swimming
- No consequence system
- No SLI support
- Game design that totally break immersion in public areas
- Broken loot
- Good combat system
- Non explorable areas, invincible walls.
- Low res textures world objects
- Limited endgame
- Bots problem not solved, getting worse
- No dedicated EU server
- Bugs, too many

A rushed product incomplete in my opinion

You should do a little research on the topic before you make a fool of yourself in front of the entire community. There has not been a single MMO released in history that had all of its features fully implemented and working*. Given time and the creativity of the ESO team this game will be much larger and richer than most of its competition. It already is a large game with copious amounts of content. If you need help researching the genre you are making sweeping generalizations about, I hear hooked on phonics has a great program that could teach you how to read. *edit: at release

Regoras

Why does everyone want underwater combat? That crap was annoying in GW2.

Turkwise

I keep playin', I keep payin'. Of course, we all want certain aspects of the game improved/changed but you can't please everyone. Many aspects are entirely subjective, like the inclusion of an AH. Some want it, some don't (this is continually being debated at length in other topics, not trying to derail). Some people love player housing, to others it's a waste of time.

What's not subjective is that underwater swimming is a miserable experience in almost any game, especially an MMO, and is a complete waste of everybody's time and isn't worth even 2 minutes of development time.

jkbennettb14a_ESO

SadisticSavior wrote: »

...the only way it could be less appealing to me is if they just Called it WoW 2: Electric Boogaloo.

Ooooo have the beta signups started for that yet? OMG! That would be soooo awesome!

Soooo as sad as it is, the trend in MMO message boards continues. Forums always seem to be the antithesis of constructive communication and turn into a place for rants and veiled threats of change this or I quit.

Being a member of the vocal minority myself, I often wonder what is the point of even coming here? It's certainly not to have a voice with the makers of this fine if not yet polished game. No, it is to share viewpoints, get feedback and other people's perspectives.

That being said, to the OP of this thread; What did you hope to accomplish by posting your little list of must haves? You don't appear to be soliciting feedback of any sort. Anyone that has disagreed with you up to this point is wrong in your eyes. It seems your only purpose so far is to come here and state that this game sucks and to rally others to your righteous cause.

If this game isn't doing it for you, move on to something else. Maybe come back and give it another go when/if they implement the things you are after. No one is holding a gun to your head making you shell out $15 for something you don't like.

edit: f'n grammar

Obscure

ESO, as is, is worth every penny of its box price. However beyond the "I'm a die hard fan" there's no definitive reason to pay a subscription fee for ESO or any unfinished product. I like to use magazines as a good analogy since they have good correlation in terms of "content per month". Let's say you have a sub to a magazine, but it's filled with typos, the pages tare easy, but they promise to fix the issue as soon as they can. Though as time goes by you see no improvement or at least not enough to notice. The only people who will continue to sub to that magazine will need to really like the content to be willing to overlook the flaws. To the average consumer there's no way to justify paying for a clearly unrefined magazine. The same holds true for any other entertainment product on the planet, MMO's included. Lower the perceived quality, the lower people (on average) will be willing to pay for it.

Me personally I couldn't care less. Suppose I justify it by thinking I'm investing my time in it now so in the future when it's smooth and bug free it'll just be that much better. Though that's just subjective. Objectively I know for a fact I can't justify the sub fee to anyone who lacks a similar perspective to my own on the subject.