When will PVP Arenas be in game?

Valn

mhoughton wrote: »

Hopefully never.. so boring.

no one will force you to play it.

liquid_wolf

Arena Playstyle simply isn't worth it.

That's like trying to setup a fast food joint next to ten other fast food places and expecting to make a profit.

Twenty other games and MMORPGs do this as a core component and feature... so if you want to play it go play one of those.

Do your own thing, and excel in that area.

No Arena PvP.

Tannakaobi

liquid_wolf wrote: »

Arena Playstyle simply isn't worth it.

That's like trying to setup a fast food joint next to ten other fast food places and expecting to make a profit.

Twenty other games and MMORPGs do this as a core component and feature... so if you want to play it go play one of those.

Do your own thing, and excel in that area.

No Arena PvP.

So enlighten me, what other mmo with an open class system offer Arena based PVP?

So a more apt example would be a fine dining restaurant in the middle of a load of fast food places. Which describes most city's the world over.

prana33b14_ESO

Why are so many people using apostrophes where none are needed? Stay in school people.

Zershar_Vemod

Never.

Start merging campaigns when the 90 days are up to create a more active PvP environment. We do not need to waste resources on silly arenas.

Valn

liquid_wolf wrote: »

Arena Playstyle simply isn't worth it.

That's like trying to setup a fast food joint next to ten other fast food places and expecting to make a profit.

Twenty other games and MMORPGs do this as a core component and feature... so if you want to play it go play one of those.

Do your own thing, and excel in that area.

No Arena PvP.

"play another game then"

Probably the worst argument ive heard all day. Desperate?

Catflinger

Tannakaobi wrote: »

And why is it not designed for it?

AAAAAAAGH.

Because arena is a competitive, small-team-based mechanic and this game is specifically set up for RvR.

I loved WoW once, but man do I regret the day it decided to put arena's into the game. Not only did it ruin a perfectly good PVP game for me. But also it has ruined an entire concept of gaming because people can not look past what has already been done.

So you agree arenas ruined WoW, even though you earlier strongly implied that WoW's success was because of arenas, but even though you hate WoW's arenas, you still think it's a great idea and want to see them here. I'm done trying to talk sense to you.

Attorneyatlawl

prana33b14_ESO wrote: »

Why are so many people using apostrophes where none are needed? Stay in school people.

Um, what?

As far as the topic goes, there are indeed many other games that have arenas. I think the ESO team needs to tread carefully when weighing any extra zones that don't directly tie into Cyrodiil, as that really is this game's major PVP selling point and you don't want to dilute the population too much in general. Many many other games already offer arena combat, but not many offer RvR/AvA. Now, I'm not saying that they should or shouldn't add them in my opinion in this post, but food for thought... think of what happens to FPS servers when too many different maps are there. You end up with the population spread too thin.

prana33b14_ESO

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

prana33b14_ESO wrote: »

Why are so many people using apostrophes where none are needed? Stay in school people.

Um, what?

The plural of arena is not arena's. The plural of city is not city's. It makes my eyes hurt and discounts the argument being made when my 3rd grade nephew knows these differences already. If you are not native English speaking I apologize.

Tannakaobi

Catflinger wrote: »

Tannakaobi wrote: »

And why is it not designed for it?

AAAAAAAGH.

Because arena is a competitive, small-team-based mechanic and this game is specifically set up for RvR.

I loved WoW once, but man do I regret the day it decided to put arena's into the game. Not only did it ruin a perfectly good PVP game for me. But also it has ruined an entire concept of gaming because people can not look past what has already been done.

So you agree arenas ruined WoW, even though you earlier strongly implied that WoW's success was because of arenas, but even though you hate WoW's arenas, you still think it's a great idea and want to see them here. I'm done trying to talk sense to you.

You dwell on things that are not there! I never implied that wow success was because of Arena's. I merely pointed out that pointing the finger at WoW as an example of how arena's have ruined a game in the eyes of the people is ludicrous. Despite all the negatives that Arena's may or may not bring WoW continues to be successful. How can anyone use a success as a reason for failure?

On a personal level yes I agree that the Arena ruined WoW, if you hadn't had your fingers in your ears constantly repeating arena's are bad m-kay! you would have realized this. But it is not the concept that is bad in WoW it is the implementation of the concept.

This game is designed for combat, don't try and segregate it into area's like 'specifically set up for RvR' or 'small-team-based mechanic' like I already said, you have no idea of what direction this game will go, same as everybody. What has been made clear is that they will continue to develop PVP same as everything else.

NordJitsu

I'd really like to see Arenas added and it can absolutely only help the game. There are SOOOO many people who aren't playing this game right now because there isn't any small scale skill-based PvP option. I actually had a member of my guild unsubscribe because he's a hardcore PvP guy and just wasn't getting what he needed from ESO.

I think a lot of people have a bad taste in their mouth because of WoW Arenas.

To be clear, the ESO Arena should be absolutely nothing like WoW.

If they take their inspiration from The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, rather than from WoW, I think a majority of these fears can be assuaged.

Tannakaobi

prana33b14_ESO wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

prana33b14_ESO wrote: »

Why are so many people using apostrophes where none are needed? Stay in school people.

Um, what?

The plural of arena is not arena's. The plural of city is not city's. It makes my eyes hurt and discounts the argument being made when my 3rd grade nephew knows these differences already. If you are not native English speaking I apologize.

You mistake education for intelligence thus showing you have none of the latter and are therefore not worth talking to.

As you pointed out people may not be English, but also there are other things such as dyslexia and other learning difficulties. Maybe you should be a little more tolerant of other people.

Catflinger

Tannakaobi wrote: »

Are you deliberately being obtuse or do you really lack the brain function to realize that Arena's can be made different to how they are in WoW?

The only suggestions to which you've pointed are not very different. They are still highly competitive, they still require special gear, they'd still take away development resources that could be better spent on improvement the core pvp of the game, and they'd still greatly threaten overall class balance

This game is designed for combat, don't try and segregate it into area's like 'specifically set up for RvR'

Are you kidding me? They promoted the game based on this: AvA/RvR.
http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/media/videos/659
http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/media/videos/477

People came here excited for this. People came here to get away from the arena system.

There is nothing in the promotional material saying "Coming Soon! LOLARENA"

Nijjion

Tannakaobi wrote: »

Nijjion wrote: »

No to Arenas!

Though if they are ever pressured to put them in some day... I really hope it's only Guild Vs Guild... no random arenas they are the plague to any game they are in.

Such as? Give me one example other than WoW that is not a direct copy of WoW!

Random Arenas are just bad in general, the idea of bringing in random people together... is just wtf...team vs team should be competitive and organised.

Looking at games like GW1 where you had to pick your team and then organise a match with another guild is how it should be. It's stops lots of trolling, bad mentality (obviously not competitive mentality). GW2 shows the exact opposite of just random stuff.

Look at other games that have 'random arenas'. The monstrosity of League of legends and the ELO system the mentality in that game is just lol... this mechanic has even been put into CSGO and it's just as bad, when CS in my experience the community has been 'mostly' mature... though the gaming community as a whole now is a lot less mature than 5-10 years ago.

If you want random fighting then do that in RvR, you don't need Arenas for that... Even GvG can be organised in RvR has been done for countless years in the same type of RvR game in DAoC. Though as I said if we are forced to have arenas do it like GW1 GvG where you have to challenge another guild.

Tannakaobi

Catflinger wrote: »

Tannakaobi wrote: »

Are you deliberately being obtuse or do you really lack the brain function to realize that Arena's can be made different to how they are in WoW?

The only suggestions to which you've pointed are not very different. They are still highly competitive, they still require special gear, they'd still take away development resources that could be better spent on improvement the core pvp of the game, and they'd still greatly threaten overall class balance

No, I have suggested nothing, I don't know what is hard to grasp about this. I pointed out another persons suggestion, to demonstrate that arena'a could be made to be unlike WoW.

This game is designed for combat, don't try and segregate it into area's like 'specifically set up for RvR'

Are you kidding me? They promoted the game based on this: AvA/RvR.
http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/media/videos/659
http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/media/videos/477

People came here excited for this. People came here to get away from the arena system.

Again you mistake the information in front of you. This is promotional work. None of it suggests that small scale PVP will be avoided. When you walk past shop do you avoid it because it may not sell coke because the advertisement in the from window is Pepsi and no one came here to get away from arena's but to enjoy ESO

There is nothing in the promotional material saying "Coming Soon! LOLARENA"

No, and again you mistake what I am saying. I am not asking for Arena, I am pointing out that to discredit them based on WoW is moronic.

But just for you I will tell you an idea I had that includes arena combat. It was to have a festival, similar to the Darkmoon fair as in every fourth week. But more like a medieval tournament, the events could be things like Jousting, Archery, Horseshoes throwing and some arena combat. No gear, no balancing issues as each would have there own skills. Just a bit of fun to take us away from questing, just for a while.

prana33b14_ESO

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Tannakaobi

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prana33b14_ESO

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Catflinger

Tannakaobi wrote: »

Catflinger wrote: »

Are you kidding me? They promoted the game based on this: AvA/RvR.
http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/media/videos/659
http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/media/videos/477

People came here excited for this. People came here to get away from the arena system.

Again you mistake the information in front of you. This is promotional work.

I think I'm seeing the problem here. Most people look at the promotional materials and make a decision to buy a game based on what is said will be included. But there's always a small few who buy based on what they want to be included, whether it says it's going to be or not.

Tannakaobi

*Edited: Flamming*

Talketzanto

My whole guild is waiting for an arena system....or at the very least battlegrounds.....

PS anyone who says they do NOT want an arena system is because they are usually bad at pvp.....and being in a zerg of 60+ makes them at least feel somewhat useful (or the illusion of being useful)

Tannakaobi

Catflinger wrote: »

Tannakaobi wrote: »

Catflinger wrote: »

Are you kidding me? They promoted the game based on this: AvA/RvR.
http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/media/videos/659
http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/media/videos/477

People came here excited for this. People came here to get away from the arena system.

Again you mistake the information in front of you. This is promotional work.

I think I'm seeing the problem here. Most people look at the promotional materials and make a decision to buy a game based on what is said will be included. But there's always a small few who buy based on what they want to be included, whether it says it's going to be or not.

But this thread is not about what IS in the game, it's is a thread of someones idea that would help make the game better in their opinion.

You keep pointing at things trying to make out that arena's would be bad for eso, but have failed to point out why other than it's not good in WoW. PVE questing is not good in wow. Should ESO not bother having quests?

Yes that is my opinion, same as arena's being poor in wow is your opinion and although I share that opinion many people don't.

prana33b14_ESO

Talketzanto wrote: »

PS anyone who says they do NOT want an arena system is because they are usually bad at pvp.....and being in a zerg of 60+ makes them at least feel somewhat useful (or the illusion of being useful)

Strawman. I at least, have played in some of the best premade groups in games I've played so it's not this at all. I don't mind arenas but they get boring. The other issue is I think Zenimax have enough on their plate right now and I would rather see them fix the things wrong with the game and get Cyrodiil and the underground dungeon below Imperial City running and well populated.

Also, in Warhammer I remember people (my guildies even) would tend to get into premades and grind battlegrounds where they stomp people and get faster AP gains, etc. and then the RvR area suffers because people just sit in the city and queue for battlegrounds.

If I want to play battlegrounds there are several games I can go back to and burn myself out on them in a week or two. If TESO puts them in I hope everything else is running optimally first.

Catflinger

Tannakaobi wrote: »

Catflinger wrote: »

Tannakaobi wrote: »

Catflinger wrote: »

Are you kidding me? They promoted the game based on this: AvA/RvR.
http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/media/videos/659
http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/media/videos/477

People came here excited for this. People came here to get away from the arena system.

Again you mistake the information in front of you. This is promotional work.

I think I'm seeing the problem here. Most people look at the promotional materials and make a decision to buy a game based on what is said will be included. But there's always a small few who buy based on what they want to be included, whether it says it's going to be or not.

But this thread is not about what IS in the game, it's is a thread of someones idea that would help make the game better in their opinion.

You keep pointing at things trying to make out that arena's would be bad for eso, but have failed to point out why other than it's not good in WoW. PVE questing is not good in wow. Should ESO not bother having quests?

Yes that is my opinion, same as arena's being poor in wow is your opinion and although I share that opinion many people don't.

Is school out already?

Talketzanto

I wouldn't be afraid that there won't any more RvR pvp after arena.....All they have to do is make 1 campaign and there will always be pvp out there..of course this is only if the population dips in cyrodill

Tannakaobi

Catflinger wrote: »

Tannakaobi wrote: »

Catflinger wrote: »

Tannakaobi wrote: »

Catflinger wrote: »

Are you kidding me? They promoted the game based on this: AvA/RvR.
http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/media/videos/659
http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/media/videos/477

People came here excited for this. People came here to get away from the arena system.

Again you mistake the information in front of you. This is promotional work.

I think I'm seeing the problem here. Most people look at the promotional materials and make a decision to buy a game based on what is said will be included. But there's always a small few who buy based on what they want to be included, whether it says it's going to be or not.

But this thread is not about what IS in the game, it's is a thread of someones idea that would help make the game better in their opinion.

You keep pointing at things trying to make out that arena's would be bad for eso, but have failed to point out why other than it's not good in WoW. PVE questing is not good in wow. Should ESO not bother having quests?

Yes that is my opinion, same as arena's being poor in wow is your opinion and although I share that opinion many people don't.

Is school out already?

Yes a very mature reply, a clear indication that you are an adult and I am a child. Correct me if I am wrong, but with today's technology as it is I could be as easily at school and make posts as anywhere else in the world.

Yshaar

Yes to arena style pvp. Not wow arenas. Give them a twist, put them inside cyrodiil, make doors and only enterable by the combatants. I prefer 2vs2 and 3vs3.

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO

Catches_the_Sun wrote: »

Valn wrote: »

When will this basic mmo pvp matchmaking feature be in game?

I sincerely hope NEVER. This game has much better PvP than your "basic MMO with arenas", and it needs to stay in Cyrodiil.

Only two MMOs have arenas. WoW and Swtor, soon to be wildstar as well.

Arenas needed to be added the RvR fanboys have no good answer other then " it attracts mean people" or "people will QQ about balance"(people already do that)

They just know that players prefer arenas over AvA so they don't want other options and want to force us to PvP in a game mode not preferred.

You could make arena cost 500gold and people would still do it more the horse simulator PvWall.

prana33b14_ESO

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

Only two MMOs have arenas.

wat

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO

prana33b14_ESO wrote: »

JoseDelgadoCub17_ESO wrote: »

Only two MMOs have arenas.

wat

Name more please.
Battleground are not arenas.

Also 90% of WoW streams are arenas. It must not be that boring if the Majority likes to watch it.

Even gw2 their streams are structured PvP not WvW.

I'm sorry but arenas are way more fun the horse simulator, when I queue up for PvP I want to PvP.


If ZOS put out a survey asking if people want arenas I'm sure they would see the Majority enjoys it unlike all the DAOC RvR fanboys that swarm the forums and troll anyone that brings it up.