To be competitive in PvP, you are forced to roll Sorceror or quit the game.

Grampa_Smurf

NookyZooky wrote: »

This is a huge issue. people can deny it all they want, but sorcs are EXTREMLY OP.
they can summon minions
they can spam AOEs
spam bolt escape
heal themselves instantly
spells go thru walls sometimes:/
and they have so many roots, and stuns that's its insane
I cant even play my PvP campaign right now because its all ADV10 sorcs doing all these lame spams and bolts and all this crap. im not saying make sorcs weaker, im saying do something about these abilities. put a cooldown on them if need be! if zenimax has to add cooldowns to certain abilities, fine! but something must be done. im about at my wits end with all these bolt escapes and AOE spams and roots and stuns and that insta heal thing which I see used CONSTANTLY..... yeah. yall get what im saying. I have ALOT of patience, and over the last month of seeing barley anything done about this, my patience is fading. NONE of the other classes has ANYTHING as powerful as this crap. Again, im not saying make the sorcs weaker, im saying do something about their abilities. PvP has turned into "play as a sorc or die" mode. I refuse to redo again, and make a sorc. it took me 2 weeks just to hit 20:/ either zenimax needs it fix these abilities, or expect to see their PvP servers rapidly deplete.

Man you have a lot of buttons you can press, Why do I have only 5 ?

BrassRazoo

Great, more crying about PvP.
I love having my game and my character influenced by PvP when I don't even play it.
Such a fun situation to be in.

Theron75

The problem is 3-fold:

Magicka regen > stamina regen
I hate playing magic-focused classes, it's just not my play style. But after hearing all the hubub about Sorcs, I played one myself and it's very apparent that the complaints about ability spam are valid. I can't spam like this on my other characters.

Range > melee
The trade-off in MMOs is usually survivability, which doesn't exist in ESO. There is zero advantage to playing a melee class.

AoE > single target
Having an area effect is supposed to mean less damage, but more affected targets. Again, that's the typical MMO balance check that doesn't exist in ESO. Not when AoE abilities can be spammed at will.

Compile all this, and Sorc looks like a pretty good class to play at the moment.

NordJitsu

Alestair wrote: »

Do what I did the only difference is, he fought me with honor even when I had a 3 second advantage but The sorc was using sword and i brought a staff to a sword fight hehe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nAmt-RdU7E Plus "Total darkness" or "Eclipse can be a templars ANTI-MAGE Spell.. though im not sure why he didnt use...or have bolt escape..maybe he did...maybe he thought he would win i dont know...but he fought bravely..

You killed a Sorc using a Templar.

Therefore, Templar is OP and Sorc needs a buff. Please reduce the cost of Bolt Escape by 9000% and make it heal me on each cast.

That's the logic of these threads.

"I personally had a bad experience with X, therefore X needs to be taken out of the game or nerfed into uselessness. My personal failings are indicative of skill imbalance."

Soban wrote: »

DKs still have the highest impact(by a ridiculous margin) in fights larger than 1v1, just saying.

Also this. DKs are the best class. There's really no arguing it right now.

Uviryth

So you are saying that Sorc is OP and everyone need to play Sorc because of an escapemove that drains on the main-ressource?

Are you guys nuts or just noobs?

Uviryth

NookyZooky wrote: »

This is a huge issue. people can deny it all they want, but sorcs are EXTREMLY OP.

If sorcs are extremly OP, then DKs and Nightblades are supercalifragilisticexpialidocious OP

they can summon minions

Who do as much damage as a dry cottonball thrown by a 4year-old. Oh, and they break every CC.

they can spam AOEs

Thats not Sorcerers, thats Magicka-Classes. AoE`s (besides the weak Thundering Storm) are Destructionstaff, not Sorcerer only.

spam bolt escape

Only if they dont fight. But I give you that. Sorcerers can escape Ganking easier than the other classes.

heal themselves instantly

There is no such thing as an instantheal in the Sorcerer-Trees.

spells go thru walls sometimes:/

Thats a bug which affects AoE, and again, thats Magicka-Classes not Sorcerers.

and they have so many roots, and stuns that's its insane

One Root, one Stun.

I cant even play my PvP campaign right now because its all ADV10 sorcs doing all these lame spams and bolts and all this crap. im not saying make sorcs weaker, im saying do something about these abilities. put a cooldown on them if need be! if zenimax has to add cooldowns to certain abilities, fine! but something must be done.

Cooldowns defeat the whole ESO-Combatsystem.

PvP has turned into "play as a sorc or die" mode. I refuse to redo again, and make a sorc. it took me 2 weeks just to hit 20:/ either zenimax needs it fix these abilities, or expect to see their PvP servers rapidly deplete.

Well, everyone who played PvP more than 20 minutes knows this statement is complete and uther bull*****, so Im not commenting that.

knaveofengland

what we all need is brick in borderlands 1/2 with the sounds to go with it still makes me laugh when I play him , there you go no comments why you all be laughing to much

IronMaiden_burnout

This is one of the reasons I never PvP in any MMO I play. No matter how you look at it, it's always a case of.... "That class is overpowered compared to mine" nerf them cause i lost!
This would not bother me if PvP was left totally separate from the rest of the game, but rather us PvE suffer in the mix because of stupid class balancing due to PvP fits.

beravinprb19_ESO

To be fair, I doubt there are many Sorcerers that use Bolt Escape in PvE. That said, I agree with you. They should have made it so you have PvE and PvP morphs. That way, they could tune the morphs, not the abilities, without impacting the other style of play.

Censorious

Sorcs OP?
Doesn't matter how many times you say it - it still doesn't make it true.

Oblongship

BrassRazoo wrote: »

Great, more crying about PvP.
I love having my game and my character influenced by PvP when I don't even play it.
Such a fun situation to be in.

Then why are you on the PvP forums?

Oblongship

Censorious wrote: »

Sorcs OP?
Doesn't matter how many times you say it - it still doesn't make it true.

No matter how many times you say they aren't doesn't make that true either.

Crotext

Can't people just spec into Sword/Board or 2h and spam Shield Charge/Charge every time a sorc bolts though?

Tankqull

Soban wrote: »

DKs still have the highest impact(by a ridiculous margin) in fights larger than 1v1, just saying.

that a class shines in zergfights that provides the highest number of uncapped (pb)aoes is quit selfexplanatory. after 1.1 and a new campaign numbers will change severly as they are extreamly bloated currently by vamp abusage and uncapped aes.

but anyway BE needs either some pvp drawbacks (a 35% chance to be disoriented after using it for 5sec) or some true functioning counters, eg. eclipse could block it wich forces the sorc to invest into purge to get rid of it reducing his utility slot options and mana pool to escape afterwards.

realcaged_ESO

Buff templars.

Zintair

Why are people still crying over bolt escape??

Also, you do not need to play a Sorc to be competitive. If people spent half the time they did crying on the forums as they did on their builds they might actually accomplish something.

liquid_wolf

To be competitive in PvP you have to work with people as a team. Multiple classes, and roles required.

bitaken

I get a kick out of people crying about bolt escape. So, you're mad because we can run away from a fight when out numbered? heh.

Tankqull

bitaken wrote: »

I get a kick out of people crying about bolt escape. So, you're mad because we can run away from a fight when out numbered? heh.

if sorcs are the only one with a funtioning escape mechanism then yes. if all classes would provide comparable escaping mechanisms it would be ok but thats not the case.

prana33b14_ESO

tankqullb16_ESO wrote: »

bitaken wrote: »

if sorcs are the only one with a funtioning escape mechanism then yes. if all classes would provide comparable escaping mechanisms it would be ok but thats not the case.

Grass is always greener. You realize that this is how games have been setup for like ever right? Some classes get different skills and stuff? In Warhammer it was witchelves with great escapes iirc. FFS.

LuckyHermit

Whine whine whine.
Sorcerers are able to run away from my Dragon Knight! I can face roll over everybody else, but Sorcerers can get away! They must be nerfed!

OtarTheMad

I am a VR 5 sorcerer and yes I use Bolt Escape (or actually I morphed it and it's called Streak now) and I don't see how being a sorcerer is so OP just because of one skill. All skill line have something unique that if used a lot people will complain "No, I can't do it as a Nightblade so they can't as a Sorcerer". I've bolt escaped away from trouble and still some strategic and smart players still caught up with me and killed me, won't take much honestly.

I could easily complain about shield bash or that Nightblade attack when you guys just pounce on someone stunning them for so long they can't react but you know what? I don't, it's a unique ability to that class. I know some are thinking right now "Well easy for you to say you're a sorcerer" well it's not like I have not run into other Sorcerer's who don't use the ability. I've seen enemies use it to escape my groups attack, we eventually killed him because using bolt escape costs magicka and you will eventually run out and some can just use some CC spells or stuns to stop you sometimes anyway.

As for Dark Conversion, the ability that morphs stamina into health and magicka, I don't see a problem with that spell, so I can transfer stamina into health and magicka... if anything doing that puts me at great danger because I am vulnerable to attacks.

Reevster

Ugh , another loser whining about another class skill that's working as intended....some people wont be happy until everyone is attacking each other with Popsicles on a 100 degree day with no shade in sight.

Kewljag_66_ESO

Not everyone needs to play a sorc to compete. In most cases my NB can sneak attack kill sorcs before they can bolt escape away.

DeLindsay

LOL @bads in PvP that whine because THEY aren't OP so everyone else needs nerfed or buffed to compensate for their failures. If you don't like ESO PvP then by all means go play one of a dozen or more MMO's with boring cookie cutter builds and homogenized classes. I'm NB btw, and I have zero issue in PvP.

frwinters_ESO

QQ. those who left because they wanted to play the flavor of the month? Good bye. If you really want to be a good PvP player, you should be able to be viable at playing any class and still be effective. This is group warfare based PvP. Its not about the solo builds. The point is to build around assisting the army, not yourself. Bye everyone who wont be making Sorcs!

skarvika

I'm playing a Templar which is probably the second worst off class besides Nightblades (I feel for you guys), but I feel that we'll have our day soon enough. The game's only been our for a little over a month, they're going to need some time to work out all the kinks.
I typically have more problems with DKs however, the only thing I dislike about sorcs is that they can easily get away from any danger so quickly that even ranged attacks are useless. I can see why you'd be annoyed with them more though since they can do some crazy ranged damage, heal and bolt away. I don't even bother following them anymore.

Crotext

No one really answered me, why can't you just spec into sword/shield or 2h and use the spammable charge abilities to just keep pace?

Glurin

Crotext wrote: »

No one really answered me, why can't you just spec into sword/shield or 2h and use the spammable charge abilities to just keep pace?

Because they'd rather nerf the ability of someone else to get away from them to the point that the ability is utterly useless and the player is an easy kill.

That's really all there is to it I think. People don't like that another player can escape being ganked, leaving the ganker without his precious AP for the kill.

weirdkitten

Censorious wrote: »

Nijjion wrote: »

- It's only if you try to ambush a sorc that you will have a problem. That's because the sorc has been designed to be a NB counter.
Just be grateful he doesn't have the AoE root that WoW's Mage has.

You do have an AoE root. And what if sorcs are the NB counter, what is the sorc counter? And what is NB supposed to counter? If you don't see that sorcs (and dragonknights) are ludicrously overpowered at the moment, you're either blind or playing a different game than I am.