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To be competitive in PvP, you are forced to roll Sorceror or quit the game.
monkeymystic
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Over half my guild (3 guilds with 200+ players in each guild, all pvp focused) has rerolled sorceror as main char during the last 2 weeks, more are rerolling everyday.
Many of them quit because they didn't want to level up again to be competitive.
The benefits of being sorceror in PvP right now are insane, and all you see is escape bolt spam everywhere. There are tons of sorceror rerollers in low level zones, and cyrodiil is getting more and more packed with escape bolt spam.
When are zenimax going to learn that this ruins the whole point of pvp with 4 classes?
Right now you have to play a sorceror to be competitive in pvp, any other class are just lagging behind because they lack escape bolt combined with AoE root spam and nuke spam
It will not be fun when everyone has leveled up and finished rerolling and you see 80% sorcerors in cyrodiil spamming escape bolt everywhere. Because it's already heading in that direction
Zenimax, I want the game to succeed and not seeing my guildmates quitting everyday, so wake up and fix this before it's too late!
Edited by monkeymystic on 10 May 2014 14:34 Many of them quit because they didn't want to level up again to be competitive.
The benefits of being sorceror in PvP right now are insane, and all you see is escape bolt spam everywhere. There are tons of sorceror rerollers in low level zones, and cyrodiil is getting more and more packed with escape bolt spam.
When are zenimax going to learn that this ruins the whole point of pvp with 4 classes?
Right now you have to play a sorceror to be competitive in pvp, any other class are just lagging behind because they lack escape bolt combined with AoE root spam and nuke spam
It will not be fun when everyone has leveled up and finished rerolling and you see 80% sorcerors in cyrodiil spamming escape bolt everywhere. Because it's already heading in that direction
Zenimax, I want the game to succeed and not seeing my guildmates quitting everyday, so wake up and fix this before it's too late!
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Thevenin✭✭The balance in this game is bad.
Warhammer Online-bad.
It could be even worse actually, because Warhammer Online left a bit of diversity, since out of its 12 classes you had more or less 6 that had some use and 6 that were crap.
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monkeymystic✭✭✭✭✭I know over 25-30 players in my guilds already quit paying for ESO because of escape bolt alone, and how it ruin pvp.
Zenimax lose player subs from it, because pvp is "play sorceror or quit" right now. And ESO is not a game where you can reroll easily, so many just quit instead.
Just wait 1 month and see in cyrodiil. It will be flocks of sorcerors everywhere, as well as a lower population because so many players got fed up by escape bolt spam pvp (and other issues) and quit.Edited by monkeymystic on 10 May 2014 14:307 -
Niffo✭✭✭It really is too bad that Zenimax made leveling such a tedious chore, the 1-50 leveling was enjoyable, having to do that two more times is not though, and you can't even grind npcs for exp to get a change of pace from the questing.2
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allexpro✭We arleady have low defence and low hp do you want to nerf sorcers more? Yes, lets make DK and another *** that arleady kill full raids with vampirism and aoe more OP. Bolt of Escape is only way to stay alive for sorcers. Please, delete your stupid post.4 -
monkeymystic✭✭✭✭✭We arleady have low defence and low hp do you want to nerf sorcers more? Yes, lets make DK and another *** that arleady kill full raids with vampirism and aoe more OP. Bolt of Escape is only way to stay alive for sorcers. Please, delete your stupid post.
LOL sorcerors have "low hp"?
Everyone can have high health, and no class has more health than others.
The sorcerors on my campaign have over 3000+ health and escape bolt spam around, spam AoE root, blink stun, nuke, blink, nuke, blink, aoe root, blink, kills player while having 100% health left themselves.
Low defence? Hahaha, have you heard of crit surge? It's the best self heal in the entire game. And only sorcerors have it. And you can use resto staff as secondary wep like the rest does to stay alive too.
I think the problem here is that you haven't learned to use your class properly yet with a decent OP build that the other sorcerors are doing.
Why do you think everyone in campaign chat says "OP sorcerors" the whole time? And why do you think PvP guilds reroll sorcerors or quit because they don't want to level up again to be competitive?
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BloodStorm✭✭✭Magicka and light armor is more of the issue.Edited by BloodStorm on 10 May 2014 14:591
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monkeymystic✭✭✭✭✭DagothMacellarius wrote: »Other classes have roots and escapes too. I personally am a Sorc also but I do not use bolt escape. But I also do not pvp much. Elusive mist for vampire is better than bolt escape and it got nerfed. I am sure they will never sorc skill if needed too.
Actually, no other class has escapes like sorcerors
thats the difference. All other classes can get roots if they want, but NONE can get escape except sorcerors.
Sorcerors have BOTH root and escape, and they can spam it. No other class has that option
On top of this, sorcerors have range dps as well.
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Niffo✭✭✭We arleady have low defence and low hp do you want to nerf sorcers more? Yes, lets make DK and another *** that arleady kill full raids with vampirism and aoe more OP. Bolt of Escape is only way to stay alive for sorcers. Please, delete your stupid post.
Wow, talk about misinformed. Everyone has the exact same health/magicka/stamina totals, everyone can wear the same types of armour. Sorcerers are not the light armour squishy casters of the game, everyone can be that. You have chosen to ignore all defense options available to you, including increasing your health pool, that does not mean Sorcerers are low hp and defense, it means you are because you don't want to bother actually sacrificing offense for defense, unlike all the other classes having to.3 -
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Magicka and light armor is more of the issue. I guarantee any class that used light armor with some magicka and lots of health will dominate other players and PVE will be easier too. With light armor a Nightblade can spam Shadow disguise a million times and win fights without being touched almost in PVE and some PVP while if you go stamina build you are pretty much crap. Stamina is useless in this game at the moment. Magicka is way better in this game. With so much magicka regen and light armor and all the stacks you can get, you can pretty much infinite spam abilities.monkeymystic wrote: »DagothMacellarius wrote: »Other classes have roots and escapes too. I personally am a Sorc also but I do not use bolt escape. But I also do not pvp much. Elusive mist for vampire is better than bolt escape and it got nerfed. I am sure they will never sorc skill if needed too.
Actually, no other class has escapes like sorcerors thats the difference. All other classes can get roots if they want, but NONE can get escape except sorcerors.
Sorcerors have BOTH root and escape, and they can spam it. No other class has that option
On top of this, sorcerors have range dps as well.
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BloodStorm✭✭✭Your friends were clearly just looking for a reason to quit. I also admit tho Magicka is OP compared to stamina which is also the issue and having light armor makes you able to spam magicka abilities all day. Going light armor makes any class much better or having a good amount of magicka. A good example is people saying how much Nightblades suck, yet if you go all light armor with lots of health and siphoning attacks and some into magicka but mostly health you can spam shadow disguise a billion times and solo bosses without getting hit pretty much and in pvp spam it a good amount also. Stamina is broken at the moment which is the real issue. As a nightblade why would you want stamina when you could stack light armor with some magicka and almost never get hit and always have 100% critical hits.0
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monkeymystic✭✭✭✭✭DagothMacellarius wrote: »Your friends were clearly just looking for a reason to quit. I also admit tho Magicka is OP compared to stamina which is also the issue and having light armor makes you able to spam magicka abilities all day. Going light armor makes any class much better or having a good amount of magicka. A good example is people saying how much Nightblades suck, yet if you go all light armor with lots of health and siphoning attacks and some into magicka but mostly health you can spam shadow disguise a billion times and solo bosses without getting hit pretty much and in pvp spam it a good amount also. Stamina is broken at the moment which is the real issue. As a nightblade why would you want stamina when you could stack light armor with some magicka and almost never get hit and always have 100% critical hits.
And sorcerors are the only class to turn stamina into magicka and health...GG
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Niffo✭✭✭DagothMacellarius wrote: »Your friends were clearly just looking for a reason to quit. I also admit tho Magicka is OP compared to stamina which is also the issue and having light armor makes you able to spam magicka abilities all day. Going light armor makes any class much better or having a good amount of magicka. A good example is people saying how much Nightblades suck, yet if you go all light armor with lots of health and siphoning attacks and some into magicka but mostly health you can spam shadow disguise a billion times and solo bosses without getting hit pretty much and in pvp spam it a good amount also. Stamina is broken at the moment which is the real issue. As a nightblade why would you want stamina when you could stack light armor with some magicka and almost never get hit and always have 100% critical hits.
Stamina based abilities are very weak for their cost, the solution though is buffing them not nerfing magicka. Every ability that uses stamina as its damage resource needs to be stronger, and the cost reduction passives in each of the weapon trees needs to be a little higher, since stamina is also the only way to use dodge/block/interrupt/breakout which puts you at a greater disadvantage.2 -
moXrox✭✭✭monkeymystic wrote: »Over half my guild (3 guilds with 200+ players in each guild, all pvp focused) has rerolled sorceror as main char during the last 2 weeks, more are rerolling everyday.
Many of them quit because they didn't want to level up again to be competitive.
The benefits of being sorceror in PvP right now are insane, and all you see is escape bolt spam everywhere. There are tons of sorceror rerollers in low level zones, and cyrodiil is getting more and more packed with escape bolt spam.
When are zenimax going to learn that this ruins the whole point of pvp with 4 classes?
Right now you have to play a sorceror to be competitive in pvp, any other class are just lagging behind because they lack escape bolt combined with AoE root spam and nuke spam
It will not be fun when everyone has leveled up and finished rerolling and you see 80% sorcerors in cyrodiil spamming escape bolt everywhere. Because it's already heading in that direction
Zenimax, I want the game to succeed and not seeing my guildmates quitting everyday, so wake up and fix this before it's too late!
Yeah, reroll and have a bad wakeup after the devs will change bolt escape.
Way to burn out on the game.
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Haha this guy is the same guy who posts on tamriel foundry all the time about sorcs. Just for some reference, he is a DRAGONKNIGHT. He's very vocal but don't fall for his tricks.1
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And nobody in your guild quit b/c of sorcs. You're full of it- you're trying to make sorcs seem like a vampire dragonknight and it's not gonna work. Devs are smart enough not to listen to the same guy over and over again.0
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joshisanonymous✭✭✭✭monkeymystic wrote: »And sorcerors are the only class to turn stamina into magicka and health...GG
Well, except that literally every class can convert health to magicka using Equilibrium in the Mages Guild line.
Maybe if you had put this point in bold it would've been more convincing. I suggest you perhaps take a day and spend some time outdoors, get some fresh air. Maybe also find some new guilds that aren't full of people who jump ship the second they feel underpowered, regardless of whether they actually are underpowered.1 -
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✭Wonder if the devs will think there is something wrong when all PvP players are sorcs , and all PvE players are DKs..."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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✭✭✭joshisanonymous wrote: »monkeymystic wrote: »And sorcerors are the only class to turn stamina into magicka and health...GG
Well, except that literally every class can convert health to magicka using Equilibrium in the Mages Guild line.
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Being able to turn stamina into health and magicka.
is more valuable than
Being able to turn health into just magicka.
Did the bold help the point any?
I play a Nightblade, I've been testing out a destro staff/light armour/magicka build; the only thing my Stamina bar is good for is dodge rolls, sprint, and CC break -- Sorcerors have a class skill that allows them to turn Stamina (as an otherwise unused stat) into other resources.
I don't personally view Sorceror as overpowered, just a different playstyle -- but I think this is the point that the player you quoted was getting at.
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Slantasiam✭✭✭remind me again have you ever seen a movie or read a book where a sorc wasn't the most powerful being on the planet? when a sorc is the bad guy in movies you bring lots of friends to beat them. you wish to make them peasants.... by the way I can beat most any sorc with a dk unless he escapes and when he escapes big deal he cant kill me that way.....maybe what your saying is sorc needs more power cause all they have for a option is escape...0
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Adernath✭✭✭✭✭monkeymystic wrote: »Over half my guild (3 guilds with 200+ players in each guild, all pvp focused) has rerolled sorceror as main char during the last 2 weeks, more are rerolling everyday.
Many of them quit because they didn't want to level up again to be competitive.
The benefits of being sorceror in PvP right now are insane, and all you see is escape bolt spam everywhere. There are tons of sorceror rerollers in low level zones, and cyrodiil is getting more and more packed with escape bolt spam.
When are zenimax going to learn that this ruins the whole point of pvp with 4 classes?
Right now you have to play a sorceror to be competitive in pvp, any other class are just lagging behind because they lack escape bolt combined with AoE root spam and nuke spam
It will not be fun when everyone has leveled up and finished rerolling and you see 80% sorcerors in cyrodiil spamming escape bolt everywhere. Because it's already heading in that direction
Zenimax, I want the game to succeed and not seeing my guildmates quitting everyday, so wake up and fix this before it's too late!
Instead of opening another thread about this topic you should search the forums. There is already said everything to this topic.
Can a moderator not take action please and lock these nerf cry topics?
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Digerati✭✭✭✭we are paying for a beta.. that's a fact. These balance issues are ridiculous.
I'm absolutely against any nerfs.. Find a way to give buffs to the other classes... For instance, remove ALL skills that players find useless and replace them with skills players find compelling.. like, a temporary damage mitigation/blindness/speed buff replacing a dawn's wrath ability..
Mostly, fix nightblades so that they are the bane of a sorcerer's existence...
Disable bolt escape when you're under a status effect.1 -
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well they sure are *** stupid, should've rerolled to DK's and 1-2 Templars, aint killing bunch of these ***!monkeymystic wrote: »Over half my guild (3 guilds with 200+ players in each guild, all pvp focused) has rerolled sorceror as main char during the last 2 weeks, more are rerolling everyday.
Many of them quit because they didn't want to level up again to be competitive.
The benefits of being sorceror in PvP right now are insane, and all you see is escape bolt spam everywhere. There are tons of sorceror rerollers in low level zones, and cyrodiil is getting more and more packed with escape bolt spam.
When are zenimax going to learn that this ruins the whole point of pvp with 4 classes?
Right now you have to play a sorceror to be competitive in pvp, any other class are just lagging behind because they lack escape bolt combined with AoE root spam and nuke spam
It will not be fun when everyone has leveled up and finished rerolling and you see 80% sorcerors in cyrodiil spamming escape bolt everywhere. Because it's already heading in that direction
Zenimax, I want the game to succeed and not seeing my guildmates quitting everyday, so wake up and fix this before it's too late!
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I deleted my first main who was a sorc because I found them boring... having taken a NB and DK to VR1 I might revisit it to enjoy the stuff you have described as I'm getting a little bored of both of them
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Gervis✭You could just perma cc them and kill them, so what if they run away, there are always more to kill
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One day a mob of Sorcerers with Bolt Escape are going to show up, and then all everyone will be to do is exactly that, let them leave whenever they want. We saw similar problems in GW2 with Mesmers / Portal Bombing, and I'm expecting a repeat of this cycle.You could just perma cc them and kill them, so what if they run away, there are always more to kill
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joshisanonymous wrote: »monkeymystic wrote: »And sorcerors are the only class to turn stamina into magicka and health...GG
Well, except that literally every class can convert health to magicka using Equilibrium in the Mages Guild line.
Maybe if you had put this point in bold it would've been more convincing. I suggest you perhaps take a day and spend some time outdoors, get some fresh air. Maybe also find some new guilds that aren't full of people who jump ship the second they feel underpowered, regardless of whether they actually are underpowered.
Don't really see how you consider them to be even competitive, losing HP does far more damage than losing ST which is pretty worthless if you are going to BE.
And you know what, a Sorc can convert HP AND SP to MP so..........0
