To be competitive in PvP, you are forced to roll Sorceror or quit the game.

gunslinger3440

NB "I MARKED HIM, HE IS MINE!!!"
Sorc "zipzipzipzip"

NordJitsu

You are lying and exaggerating.

Its obvious to everyone.

The majority of the best players are currently playing Dragon Knight btw.

Aimelin

They need to start deleting these threads about the same QQ over & over ....

DKs are way more overpowered than sorcs, and then people wanna cry about light armor being the issue. we sacrifice armor rating for magicka regen, granted we also have access to dmg shields, we still take alot of dmg in full light armor.

And STA being useless to sorcs? c'mon now, we can't bolt escape out of a stun or imobilize ... we have to cc break like everyone else ....

and have to roll sorc to be competitive? i laugh at that statement. melee is just as viable as ranged dmg, all classes have access to gap closers, knockdowns, all kinds of fun lil skills that make you a beast with a weapon & even add a lot of survivability.

Kraigan

You're really showing your true colors. Stay classy...

Dekkameron

monkeymystic wrote: »

I think the problem here is that you haven't learned to use your class properly yet with a decent OP build that the other sorcerors are doing.

LOL!

Or more likely, they're just playing a decent fun build.

chrisub17_ESO104

My advice find a new guild. I am in a multi game pvp guild that is extremely effective on the battlefield without requiring people to play specific classes. We decided a long time ago that always following the FOTM is not good for the guild, and not necessary to win.

A more balanced, fun approach that is still competitive is let people play the classes they want, but have required builds, and maybe even gear at a certain point for those that can afford it. This is a freaking game after all. If you spend all your time doing things you do not enjoy, what's the point?

sSolutionSs

4 classes. The math proves one of them gunna be op.. Look at any other mmo with some over 10 classes 1-2 sometimes op.. In eso case it makes sense to roll a sorc melee LOL

Kingslayer

If you can't beat a sorc 1 v 1 you have issues. if they use bolt escape you clearly didn't lose. All this moaning over an escape mechanic. This is not 8 v 8 get over it. In zerg on zerg warfare escape mechanics for a caster class are traditional. And given the size of Cyro The amount of spams is not OTT. Some peoples claims are. I have seen from 35 to 20 spams in a row on these threads. Its exactly why their is no credibility to this.

Censorious

Nobody's mentioned the OTHER use of Bolt Escape.

It's an excellent gap closer

Gisgo

gunslinger3440 wrote: »

NB "I MARKED HIM, HE IS MINE!!!"
Sorc "zipzipzipzip"

/thread

Kingslayer

Censorious wrote: »

Nobody's mentioned the OTHER use of Bolt Escape.

It's an excellent gap closer

And a good one and there is nothing wrong with that. Gets tiring seeing the other classes spamming their pull and gap closers etc. But they ain't OP, No sir first it was vamps and because people might get away we can't have that can we? No instead we complain for nerfs about multiple subjects valid or otherwise until everything is nerfed into the ground and their is no semblance of balance left. Even if Balance is skewed at the moment it certainly isn't in Sorcs favour. Templars are fine. Maybe their dps could be sorted but thats no reason to nerf everything else. Same with nightblades. And Dks well they'd be the one class to nerf i would think. I play one and its a killer in pvp.

Nijjion

It's just bad design... people just laugh when I tell them who don't play the game that Sorcs have a blink ability with no CD. You don't design a get away that can be spammed. That's just dumb. Especially when no other class can rival it.

limeli8

monkeymystic wrote: »

Over half my guild (3 guilds with 200+ players in each guild, all pvp focused) has rerolled sorceror as main char during the last 2 weeks, more are rerolling everyday.

Many of them quit because they didn't want to level up again to be competitive.

The benefits of being sorceror in PvP right now are insane, and all you see is escape bolt spam everywhere. There are tons of sorceror rerollers in low level zones, and cyrodiil is getting more and more packed with escape bolt spam.

When are zenimax going to learn that this ruins the whole point of pvp with 4 classes?

Right now you have to play a sorceror to be competitive in pvp, any other class are just lagging behind because they lack escape bolt combined with AoE root spam and nuke spam

It will not be fun when everyone has leveled up and finished rerolling and you see 80% sorcerors in cyrodiil spamming escape bolt everywhere. Because it's already heading in that direction



Zenimax, I want the game to succeed and not seeing my guildmates quitting everyday, so wake up and fix this before it's too late!

You are just straight up Lobbying for bolt escape nerf, if one was to check the threads you started and ones you commented on they'd see almost nothing except "nerf bolt escape" threads started by you (multiple ones) and you commenting in your own other other nerf bolt escape threads.
Mods on these forums punish obviously bumping posts to get attention and you are simply slightly more creative about it. So /reported

Phoenix99

DagothMacellarius wrote: »

Magicka and light armor is more of the issue.

THIS.

They need to find magicka sinks similar to the ones that stamina users have. I would not mind however putting bolt escape in cost on par with vampires Mist form.

Kingslayer

Phoenix99 wrote: »

DagothMacellarius wrote: »

Magicka and light armor is more of the issue.

THIS.

They need to find magicka sinks similar to the ones that stamina users have. I would not mind however putting bolt escape in cost on par with vampires Mist form.

Mist form is roughly the same from what i am told with the reductions. Most of the abilities are magicka based their is your sink. The only way BE can be spammed is if the player hasn't drained his magicka fighting. BE costs 265 with reductions we are talking 8 spams which would drain magicka and leave the sorc defenseless theirs a down side to it. Also the ability can't be punished for any set piece gear which may benefit said ability otherwise it would pigeon hole that whole class into wearing that particular set piece of gear.

Censorious

Nijjion wrote: »

It's just bad design... people just laugh when I tell them who don't play the game that Sorcs have a blink ability with no CD. You don't design a get away that can be spammed. That's just dumb. Especially when no other class can rival it.

There are no cooldowns on ANYTHING in this game so put like that, anything can be 'spammed'.

We all know that's not true - everything is resource limited. The design is perfectly sound. A sorcerer who's actively been fighting will rarely have enough magicka for more than a couple of blinks.
- It's only if you try to ambush a sorc that you will have a problem. That's because the sorc has been designed to be a NB counter.
Just be grateful he doesn't have the AoE root that WoW's Mage has.

Mjoel

They are allready looking into Bolt Escape

Dont reroll a Sorc focus on your main char improve your Skills maybe change them i play a templar i just changed my lifereg buff for this spearattack to chase enemys its amazing with upgrade to chase sorcerers or others running away

You are using Shield Bash? CD is coming too

No need to reroll! Just change your skills make yourself a build of your own dont look for the strongest build CREATE the strongest for yourself a build you mastered and you can play like no one other a build of skills you createt

and you will see... after a time of trying and playing you will rule pvp you will kill 5 players+ before you die

Adernath

lol... if someone runs away from combat, this shows only that he estimated his chances of success in the current situation as low. And yet people think that it this is making him OP. What a bullshift. By running away you dont fight, you simply want to get away. And by using it as a kiting ability it burns through mana extremely fast.

I tell you guys what the reason for these threads is:

These crybabys want to nerf this ability for the sole purpose of making them happy to get their kill. This is the only brain issue certain people here have.

Alestair

Do what I did the only difference is, he fought me with honor even when I had a 3 second advantage but The sorc was using sword and i brought a staff to a sword fight hehe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nAmt-RdU7E Plus "Total darkness" or "Eclipse can be a templars ANTI-MAGE Spell.. though im not sure why he didnt use...or have bolt escape..maybe he did...maybe he thought he would win i dont know...but he fought bravely..

Kingslayer

Adernath wrote: »

lol... if someone runs away from combat, this shows only that he estimated his chances of success in the current situation as low. And yet people think that it this is making him OP. What a bullshift. By running away you dont fight, you simply want to get away. And by using it as a kiting ability it burns through mana extremely fast.

I tell you guys what the reason for these threads is:

These crybabys want to nerf this ability for the sole purpose of making them happy to get their kill. This is the only brain issue certain people here have.

If you watch the podcast Brian wheeler said they had looked into it and didn't see a balancing problem. Many people think they are OP till they use one.

TheBull

This Nb would rather fight a Sorc than a DK any day... That's not to say that bolt escape doesn't need a huge resource cost increase.

Phoenix99

Kingslayer wrote: »

Phoenix99 wrote: »

DagothMacellarius wrote: »

Magicka and light armor is more of the issue.

THIS.

They need to find magicka sinks similar to the ones that stamina users have. I would not mind however putting bolt escape in cost on par with vampires Mist form.

Mist form is roughly the same from what i am told with the reductions. Most of the abilities are magicka based their is your sink. The only way BE can be spammed is if the player hasn't drained his magicka fighting. BE costs 265 with reductions we are talking 8 spams which would drain magicka and leave the sorc defenseless theirs a down side to it. Also the ability can't be punished for any set piece gear which may benefit said ability otherwise it would pigeon hole that whole class into wearing that particular set piece of gear.

lol if you compare magicka sinks to the stamina ones then something is wrong with the logic applied... stamina is used for skills and on TOP of that you have to use it for sprinting, rolling blocking, breaking CC, stealthing... how is that equivalent to spammage of magicka skills?

Pure stamina builds are not viable... pure magicka are, and this tells a lot.

Morticielle

I don't know what all those whiners here are crying about. In EU - Auriel's Bow in the Top 100 are 28 sorcerers, 23 dragonknights, 27 Templars and 22 Nightblades. This shows that the classes are blanced real good otherwise there would be 50 sorcerers in the Top 100.

People are upset about Bolt Escape because it gives sorcerers the ability to flee from ganking. That is why people are whinig. Not because it is overpowered but because sorcerers are no easy prey to gankers.

Adernath

Morticielle wrote: »

I don't know what all those whiners here are crying about. In EU - Auriel's Bow in the Top 100 are 28 sorcerers, 23 dragonknights, 27 Templars and 22 Nightblades. This shows that the classes are blanced real good otherwise there would be 50 sorcerers in the Top 100.

People are upset about Bolt Escape because it gives sorcerers the ability to flee from ganking. That is why people are whinig. Not because it is overpowered but because sorcerers are no easy prey to gankers.

I couldnt agree more.

Raggok

Morticielle wrote: »

I don't know what all those whiners here are crying about. In EU - Auriel's Bow in the Top 100 are 28 sorcerers, 23 dragonknights, 27 Templars and 22 Nightblades. This shows that the classes are blanced real good otherwise there would be 50 sorcerers in the Top 100.

People are upset about Bolt Escape because it gives sorcerers the ability to flee from ganking. That is why people are whinig. Not because it is overpowered but because sorcerers are no easy prey to gankers.

No. What that shows is that zerglings split relatively evenly between the classes.

And you don't think sorcorers gank? So, according to you sorcerors should be able to gank and also be the best at avoiding ganking. This is what is called risk vs. reward. Sorcerors have the best of both worlds and that is why tryhards who hate losing will flock to this class unless that risk vs. reward is balanced.

darthbelanb14_ESO

I'm a Templar and don't feel the need to reroll a Sorc. I also feel pretty competitive, in fact I just got the achievement for killing Sorcerers. So they use Escape Bolt, if they're escaping then they're not attacking, which is the goal in PvP. Don't be mad because you didn't get the kill.

Also, bolding your text doesn't make your statements any more true.

pecheckler

Sorcerers and dragon knights are overpowered. Templars are underpowered. Night blades are broken.

Soban

pecheckler wrote: »

Sorcerers and dragon knights are overpowered. Templars are underpowered. Night blades are broken.

Actually, Nightblades are overpowered as well. The only underpowered class is Templar, which is irreplaceable even in that state. You're confusing classes with specs. Every class has more terrible specs than good specs.

Cody

This is a huge issue. people can deny it all they want, but sorcs are EXTREMLY OP.
they can summon minions
they can spam AOEs
spam bolt escape
heal themselves instantly
spells go thru walls sometimes:/
and they have so many roots, and stuns that's its insane
I cant even play my PvP campaign right now because its all ADV10 sorcs doing all these lame spams and bolts and all this crap. im not saying make sorcs weaker, im saying do something about these abilities. put a cooldown on them if need be! if zenimax has to add cooldowns to certain abilities, fine! but something must be done. im about at my wits end with all these bolt escapes and AOE spams and roots and stuns and that insta heal thing which I see used CONSTANTLY..... yeah. yall get what im saying. I have ALOT of patience, and over the last month of seeing barley anything done about this, my patience is fading. NONE of the other classes has ANYTHING as powerful as this crap. Again, im not saying make the sorcs weaker, im saying do something about their abilities. PvP has turned into "play as a sorc or die" mode. I refuse to redo again, and make a sorc. it took me 2 weeks just to hit 20:/ either zenimax needs it fix these abilities, or expect to see their PvP servers rapidly deplete.

Soban

DKs still have the highest impact(by a ridiculous margin) in fights larger than 1v1, just saying.