*Facepalm* And so they buffed Bolt Escape.

NordJitsu

@scy22b14_ESO‌

Again, its a learn to play issue.

If you're not able to counter it, you should be asking for help from more experienced players, not calling for nerfs.

Niffo

NordJitsu wrote: »

@scy22b14_ESO‌

Again, its a learn to play issue.

If you're not able to counter it, you should be asking for help from more experienced players, not calling for nerfs.

A learn to play issue, says the guy that can't live in a world without the ability to spam an instant cast teleport.

LadyChaos

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

NordJitsu wrote: »

@scy22b14_ESO‌

Again, its a learn to play issue.

If you're not able to counter it, you should be asking for help from more experienced players, not calling for nerfs.

A learn to play issue, says the guy that can't live in a world without the ability to spam an instant cast teleport.

Let me know when healers stop using regeneration...

unlimitedwarriorb14_ESO

sounds like another waah waah waah my class isnt winning whine post seen in most MMOs.

ChairGraveyard

3x cost increase, 2x range decrease for Bolt Escape incoming!

Xsorus

drwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

drwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »

NordJitsu wrote: »

L2P is really all there is left to say at this point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrz4xExzNRY&feature=youtu.be

I'm going to get a guildie to go with me and teach you guys some of the counters in a video though. You're welcome in advance.

Video proof that they have no argument. I'll be using this.

Who knew that all ya needed to counter a Sorc, was to chase him down on a horse after fighting him and then pray he's lagged so bad he can't port very far

What part of that video shows he was fighting?

I bet you cry when you go to gank someone and they stealth. LETS NERF DETECTION POTS AND MAGELIGHT K?

lol

I think that's exactly the point I was making...He wasn't in combat with the Sorc, he was on a mount and had speed from someone else..

Something that you can't bloody do if you're in combat.

Niffo

LadyChaos wrote: »

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

NordJitsu wrote: »

@scy22b14_ESO‌

Again, its a learn to play issue.

If you're not able to counter it, you should be asking for help from more experienced players, not calling for nerfs.

A learn to play issue, says the guy that can't live in a world without the ability to spam an instant cast teleport.

Let me know when healers stop using regeneration...

Oh now regeneration is on the same level as Bolt Escape? Wow the list of skills that are as strong as Bolt Escape seems to grow with every post by people defending it.

Xsorus

Carde wrote: »

Lol @ Standard of Oneshot.

More like Standard of DOT AOE that kills people too stupid or bad to get out of it.

Or Standard of Darwinism.

People die while standing in standard, and don't understand that its not the Standard dot damage that's killing them....

its the Shackled Synergy that you can stack with Burning Talons Synergy. For instance, when my group (which consists of 2 DK's/2 sorcs/2 templars usually) attack a zerg, The two of us playing DK's throw down our standards on top of the stack of players, and then we both do Burning Talons, We then do both Synergies ...The Synergies alone from 2 DK's will do around 2k Damage if they crit.

LadyChaos

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

LadyChaos wrote: »

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

NordJitsu wrote: »

@scy22b14_ESO‌

Again, its a learn to play issue.

If you're not able to counter it, you should be asking for help from more experienced players, not calling for nerfs.

A learn to play issue, says the guy that can't live in a world without the ability to spam an instant cast teleport.

Let me know when healers stop using regeneration...

Oh now regeneration is on the same level as Bolt Escape? Wow the list of skills that are as strong as Bolt Escape seems to grow with every post by people defending it.

you can take out of context all you want. You said anything spammed is OP... every class spams was the point

NordJitsu

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

NordJitsu wrote: »

@scy22b14_ESO‌

Again, its a learn to play issue.

If you're not able to counter it, you should be asking for help from more experienced players, not calling for nerfs.

A learn to play issue, says the guy that can't live in a world without the ability to spam an instant cast teleport.

I would beat you with literally any class and any spec I chose.

Niffo

LadyChaos wrote: »

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

LadyChaos wrote: »

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

NordJitsu wrote: »

@scy22b14_ESO‌

Again, its a learn to play issue.

If you're not able to counter it, you should be asking for help from more experienced players, not calling for nerfs.

A learn to play issue, says the guy that can't live in a world without the ability to spam an instant cast teleport.

Let me know when healers stop using regeneration...

Oh now regeneration is on the same level as Bolt Escape? Wow the list of skills that are as strong as Bolt Escape seems to grow with every post by people defending it.

you can take out of context all you want. You said anything spammed is OP... every class spams was the point

Did I say anything that can be spammed was overpowered? Or are trying to make things up again?

Niffo

NordJitsu wrote: »

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

NordJitsu wrote: »

@scy22b14_ESO‌

Again, its a learn to play issue.

If you're not able to counter it, you should be asking for help from more experienced players, not calling for nerfs.

A learn to play issue, says the guy that can't live in a world without the ability to spam an instant cast teleport.

I would beat you with literally any class and any spec I chose.

Oh no, the internet badass is mad now. I have no doubt you would, you'd pick the most broken builds possible since you can't play without them which is why you're defendign Bolt Escape with such zeal.

Kaskako

Raggok wrote: »

Wait... did someone in this thread actually say Dark Cloak gives the same escapability as Bolt Escape?

LOL.

Thats just how delirious and out of it some of thee "pro" sorcerers are.

LadyChaos

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

LadyChaos wrote: »

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

LadyChaos wrote: »

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

NordJitsu wrote: »

@scy22b14_ESO‌

Again, its a learn to play issue.

If you're not able to counter it, you should be asking for help from more experienced players, not calling for nerfs.

A learn to play issue, says the guy that can't live in a world without the ability to spam an instant cast teleport.

Let me know when healers stop using regeneration...

Oh now regeneration is on the same level as Bolt Escape? Wow the list of skills that are as strong as Bolt Escape seems to grow with every post by people defending it.

you can take out of context all you want. You said anything spammed is OP... every class spams was the point

Did I say anything that can be spammed was overpowered? Or are trying to make things up again?

the person I quoted did, you took my quote out of context to the person you know very well I was responding to (since I quoted them)... if you want to private convo over things great but you are not doing anything except trying to personally discredit me, not lend to the discussion. You are looking to pick a fight and take quoted lines out of context to draw away from how you have openly admitted you do not wish to have to change anything to counter what is annoying you.

I'm not going to waste everyone's time playing the who can take whose words out of context, game. You can continue to play the misquote game if you like but I don't think it helps sell your point of view.

Niffo

LadyChaos wrote: »

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

LadyChaos wrote: »

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

LadyChaos wrote: »

jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »

NordJitsu wrote: »

@scy22b14_ESO‌

Again, its a learn to play issue.

If you're not able to counter it, you should be asking for help from more experienced players, not calling for nerfs.

A learn to play issue, says the guy that can't live in a world without the ability to spam an instant cast teleport.

Let me know when healers stop using regeneration...

Oh now regeneration is on the same level as Bolt Escape? Wow the list of skills that are as strong as Bolt Escape seems to grow with every post by people defending it.

you can take out of context all you want. You said anything spammed is OP... every class spams was the point

Did I say anything that can be spammed was overpowered? Or are trying to make things up again?

the person I quoted did, you took my quote out of context to the person you know very well I was responding to (since I quoted them)... if you want to private convo over things great but you are not doing anything except trying to personally discredit me, not lend to the discussion. You are looking to pick a fight and take quoted lines out of context to draw away from how you have openly admitted you do not wish to have to change anything to counter what is annoying you.

I'm not going to waste everyone's time playing the who can take whose words out of context, game. You can continue to play the misquote game if you like but I don't think it helps sell your point of view.

Either you mis-quoted or you are once again lieing. All of the posts you quoted did not mention spamming being overpowered. I am not here to pick a fight just discussing why an ability needs to be balanced. You can keep lieing about my posts though, like how I said I don't want to change anything even though I have used the counters before coming here. The defense people are putting up for Bolt Escape aren't doing anything to make the ability look any less powerful than it is.

Kraigan

NordJitsu wrote: »

Again, its a learn to play issue.

If you're not able to counter it, you should be asking for help from more experienced players, not calling for nerfs.

Please, good sir, educate us.

On the TF forums you state that: "You only get CC immunity if you use a CC break. The nice thing about Streak is that it doesn’t give them much time to block because there isn’t really any tell that its coming. I like to Bolt through people for the damage and CC. If my Crystal Fragment procs when I bolt through, I turn and hit them with that while they are still stunned (which knocks them down.) Just those two things together can often bring people close to 20% health, which means all I have to do is use my Fury, bolt back in, and do a few light attacks until I get the explosion."

You imply on one forum that people are basically don't have a chance to react to your combo using the streak morph of bolt escape, but on this forum...dealing with it is a "learn to play" issue.

Niffo

NordJitsu wrote: »

@scy22b14_ESO‌

Again, its a learn to play issue.

If you're not able to counter it, you should be asking for help from more experienced players, not calling for nerfs.

Yeah, Bolt Escape is perfectly balanced. @NordJitsu, so much balance. And you're only VR2, figures you would be someone from the CBT, the same people that let so many progression stopping bugs and major balance issues through, the same people that didn't even notice their AoE abilities had a target cap. You know its broken and can't be countered and actually lied to keep the advantage. So glad that link was sent to me, when Bolt Escape gets nerfed you're just going to move to the next broken skill.

Phoenix99

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

drwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

drwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »

NordJitsu wrote: »

L2P is really all there is left to say at this point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrz4xExzNRY&feature=youtu.be

I'm going to get a guildie to go with me and teach you guys some of the counters in a video though. You're welcome in advance.

Video proof that they have no argument. I'll be using this.

Who knew that all ya needed to counter a Sorc, was to chase him down on a horse after fighting him and then pray he's lagged so bad he can't port very far

What part of that video shows he was fighting?

I bet you cry when you go to gank someone and they stealth. LETS NERF DETECTION POTS AND MAGELIGHT K?

lol

I think that's exactly the point I was making...He wasn't in combat with the Sorc, he was on a mount and had speed from someone else..

Something that you can't bloody do if you're in combat.

The sorc was also lagging hard, which was pointed out numerous times across many threads when the biased sorc users posted this video (the only one they post) as a proof of blink spam being balanced. The sorc was even not reacting to getting hit at times...

NordJitsu

@jobo11b16_ESO‌

Yup. That character is VR2 beating VR10s in 1v1s. But that's not because my skills are "OP" its because I'm a skilled player.

And you really should think twice before blaming the Psijic testers for ZOS failing to fix bugs. Many of them were reported and not fixed. Many others did not occur on the PTS server and only happened on the Live server starting with patch 1.0.

@davidcwoodb14_ESO‌

Hey, thanks for checking out my build. That one's actually pretty outdated now and I've switched quite a few skills, but what you see there is still powerful if you're interested in trying it.

Anyway, the passage you've quoted is me explaining what is good about the skill. But good is not OP nor does it mean there aren't counters.

Me and a guildie recorded some footage of Bolt Escape counters tonight though. We'll do some editing and some VO and you can expect it soon.

Nijjion

NordJitsu wrote: »

L2P is really all there is left to say at this point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrz4xExzNRY&feature=youtu.be

I'm going to get a guildie to go with me and teach you guys some of the counters in a video though. You're welcome in advance.

Shame you can't mount up in combat... then this would be a way to counter... though then sorcs just need to auto attack you once to knock you off and then run away again.

Too bad try again.

Dragos

NordJitsu wrote: »

L2P is really all there is left to say at this point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrz4xExzNRY&feature=youtu.be

I'm going to get a guildie to go with me and teach you guys some of the counters in a video though. You're welcome in advance.

1. When you caught up to the sorc, you were at full life, full mana, and full stamina, while it looked as if the sorc was drained of all his mana/stamina, and was being chased by several people, making him panic and lose composure.

2. When you caught up to the sorc, the area you were in was extremely favorable to you. He had several more enemies coming for him from behind, so he could ONLY bolt escape in one direction, and you took advantage of his misfortune by placing yourself between where he was, and the only spot he could bolt escape to. This allowed you to immediately start beating on him again with your full mana/stamina while after his bolt escape he was, again, completely drained and unable to counter anything you threw at him while also fearing the other several players breathing down his neck.

3. You caught him with a combination of horse, speed potion and speed buff, which people say is hard but is certainly possible (with infinite horse stamina bug...makes me wonder if it would be possible without), never showing off this supposed super high speed rolling escaping build you love to talk about.

Sorry, but your "proof" is just a shallow vid of a lucky break against an opponent who's facing nothing but misfortune.

Niffo

NordJitsu wrote: »

Me and a guildie recorded some footage of Bolt Escape counters tonight though. We'll do some editing and some VO and you can expect it soon.

This should be hilarious and completely unbiased.

kitchenguy65_ESO

scy22b14_ESO wrote: »

Me and a guildie recorded some footage of Bolt Escape counters tonight though. We'll do some editing and some VO and you can expect it soon.

Looking forward to it. Too bad it won't do anything for the closeminded in this thread who have made their stance and cry for nerfs rather than learning the counters. They will hyper analyze every bit of footage you post and instead of walking away with new ideas on counters, they will attempt to find fault in everything.
I can see it now, "It only works if all the stars are aligned and its the second tuesday after a full moon...blah, blah,blah."
This is the kind of crap that pisses me off. Guarantee none of these people try the counters and use that statement (embellished of course) as the reason why it won't work.
Another thing, those saying that making a build like the one suggested for speed on par with a sorc will somehow gimp you...since when is a speedy, full medium/high crit build a gimp? If it's because you don't want to wear medium than tough. Like i stated before, there is NO ONE BUILD THAT WILL COUNTER ALL OTHER BUILDS! That is the whole point of the build system. You wanna kill BE sorcs? Great, but you'll have to build for it. Want to wear heavy and be a front line warrior? Great, but you won't be killing many BE sorcs in that spec.

Thevenin

Blind people blindly defending their broken skill because they fear they'll get stomped once it's brought in line are just a waste of time.

The tradeoff for the the skill is simply too low. It's obvious that when the devs designed the skill, they wanted it to be a costly skill, that could only be used scarcely by vulnerable light-armor sorcs, and would come at the cost of DPS/CC.
They didn't foresee (and didn't adapt to) light armor being the go-to armor because heavy offers little more in terms of protection, and medium being solely focused on melee/bow. They also obviously buffed magicka regen, potions and pool that become huge at high VRs, probably due to design issues with healing (again, the problems of not having real classes are endless).
And now, the skill is a spammable low-cost trolling mechanic. It's as if Siphoning Attacks lowered damage by 7% instead of 23%. It would be toggled at all times and would provide sick DPS/CC/movement, making it very overpowered. If they ever fix Shadow Cloak and make it a viable escape mechanism (stealth being unbreakable for the actual 3.5 s.), it will also become overpowered - albeit less annoyingly so - because it could be used by a light armor character to get ~ 20-25 seconds of invisibility, effectively being able to disengage combat at will.

This tradeoff issue might also be the root of some of the Dragon Knight issues : perhaps Talons were meant to be powerful but cost enough magicka to prevent them from ever being spammed mindlessly, as any competent DK does now in AvA.

drwoody44b14_ESO

Thevenin wrote: »

Blind people blindly defending their broken skill because they fear they'll get stomped once it's brought in line are just a waste of time.

Except people are not complaining about getting stomped by BE. They are complaining that they cant get their 10 alliance points when a sorc decides that he has lost the fight.

To sum up everyone's bitching: Combat needs to drop faster

Kingslayer

I just tested it now it doesn't bloody regenerate at all.

Thevenin

drwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »

Except people are not complaining about getting stomped by BE. They are complaining that they cant get their 10 alliance points when a sorc decides that he has lost the fight.

Insane survivability is as stupid as insane damage or insane healing...

NordJitsu

kitchenguy65_ESO wrote: »

scy22b14_ESO wrote: »

Me and a guildie recorded some footage of Bolt Escape counters tonight though. We'll do some editing and some VO and you can expect it soon.

Looking forward to it. Too bad it won't do anything for the closeminded in this thread who have made their stance and cry for nerfs rather than learning the counters. They will hyper analyze every bit of footage you post and instead of walking away with new ideas on counters, they will attempt to find fault in everything.
I can see it now, "It only works if all the stars are aligned and its the second tuesday after a full moon...blah, blah,blah."
This is the kind of crap that pisses me off. Guarantee none of these people try the counters and use that statement (embellished of course) as the reason why it won't work.
Another thing, those saying that making a build like the one suggested for speed on par with a sorc will somehow gimp you...since when is a speedy, full medium/high crit build a gimp? If it's because you don't want to wear medium than tough. Like i stated before, there is NO ONE BUILD THAT WILL COUNTER ALL OTHER BUILDS! That is the whole point of the build system. You wanna kill BE sorcs? Great, but you'll have to build for it. Want to wear heavy and be a front line warrior? Great, but you won't be killing many BE sorcs in that spec.

Also just gonna redirect to keep discussion in the same place:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/95433/eso-dojo-ep-1-countering-bolt-escape#latest

Kingslayer

Counters to Bolt escape Video this shows that bolt escape can be countered quite easily.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kfzJ1lNlU4

monkeymystic

It's stupid how they don't see escape bolt ruins PvP right now. You have to be a sorceror to be competitive in pvp. That video just shows that the sorceror was stupid. Any skilled sorceror is 100% impossible to get to.