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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/668861
*Facepalm* And so they buffed Bolt Escape.
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Raggok✭✭@jobo11b16_ESO
For a hard counter try Crushing Shock or Venom Arrow.
You are welcome.
Keep learning buddy. I'll be happy to give you more helpful hints. And you'll get better every day.
Get your heavy armor up to level so you can use immovable to counter hard CC counters. You don't even need to be wearing heavy armor to use it. You just need to unlock it.
You are welcome.
Keep learning, buddy. I'll be happy to give you more helpful hints. And you'll get better every day.
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Raggok✭✭Wait... did someone in this thread actually say Dark Cloak gives the same escapability as Bolt Escape?
LOL.Edited by ZOS_UlyssesW on 6 May 2014 18:173 -
Niffo✭✭✭drwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »L2P is really all there is left to say at this point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrz4xExzNRY&feature=youtu.be
I'm going to get a guildie to go with me and teach you guys some of the counters in a video though. You're welcome in advance.
Video proof that they have no argument. I'll be using this.
Not only that, but the ability to Bolt with a scroll, which was the strongest part of the ability (the only thing that really made it special, whether or not you considered it OP) has already been nerfed.
Its already an unremarkable ability now.
The No-Scroll nerf took away an interesting class/group play synergy. Now Sorcs no longer have a special role as scroll carriers.
Give these guys their way and all classes will be the same and we'll all be fighting each other with nothing but padded wiffle bats.
To counter 1 class ability you need someone on a high speed horse WITH Retreating Maneuvers and the Sorcerer has have been chased by an entire zerg, if that is proof that Bolt Escape is balanced, you don't know what balance means. Absolutely absurd, keep posting Nord, every time you do you get more and more ridiculous.
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drwoody44b14_ESO✭✭✭jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »drwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »L2P is really all there is left to say at this point.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrz4xExzNRY&feature=youtu.be
I'm going to get a guildie to go with me and teach you guys some of the counters in a video though. You're welcome in advance.
Video proof that they have no argument. I'll be using this.
Not only that, but the ability to Bolt with a scroll, which was the strongest part of the ability (the only thing that really made it special, whether or not you considered it OP) has already been nerfed.
Its already an unremarkable ability now.
The No-Scroll nerf took away an interesting class/group play synergy. Now Sorcs no longer have a special role as scroll carriers.
Give these guys their way and all classes will be the same and we'll all be fighting each other with nothing but padded wiffle bats.
To counter 1 class ability you need someone on a high speed horse WITH Retreating Maneuvers and the Sorcerer has have been chased by an entire zerg, if that is proof that Bolt Escape is balanced, you don't know what balance means. Absolutely absurd, keep posting Nord, every time you do you get more and more ridiculous.
We're talking combat situations here. You going to cry about stealth too?1 -
Xsorus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭drwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »L2P is really all there is left to say at this point.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrz4xExzNRY&feature=youtu.be
I'm going to get a guildie to go with me and teach you guys some of the counters in a video though. You're welcome in advance.
Video proof that they have no argument. I'll be using this.
Who knew that all ya needed to counter a Sorc, was to chase him down on a horse after fighting him and then pray he's lagged so bad he can't port very far
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXpX7JMwRXtczc5GTrIYRIw
ESO and GW2 PvP videos1 -
Raggok✭✭L2P is really all there is left to say at this point.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrz4xExzNRY&feature=youtu.be
I'm going to get a guildie to go with me and teach you guys some of the counters in a video though. You're welcome in advance.
So you need to be mounted with someone else giving you retreating maneuvers to catch up. And, people aren't complaining about running down sorcerors while mounted.
The problem is if you are in combat with them and they bolt away you are in combat and can't mount. Are you really this obtuse?
And let's say that this sorcerer was not running a scroll and it was just a normal PvP situation, they would have bolted away and stealthed to get away long before he catches up to them.
Are you the same clown who said Dark Cloak gives the same escapability as Bolt Escape, by chance?Edited by Raggok on 6 May 2014 17:460 -
drwoody44b14_ESO✭✭✭xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »drwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »L2P is really all there is left to say at this point.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrz4xExzNRY&feature=youtu.be
I'm going to get a guildie to go with me and teach you guys some of the counters in a video though. You're welcome in advance.
Video proof that they have no argument. I'll be using this.
Who knew that all ya needed to counter a Sorc, was to chase him down on a horse after fighting him and then pray he's lagged so bad he can't port very far
What part of that video shows he was fighting?
I bet you cry when you go to gank someone and they stealth. LETS NERF DETECTION POTS AND MAGELIGHT K?1 -
Kolache✭✭✭✭
Out-of-combat combat situations so that you can mount of course. loldrwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »We're talking combat situations here.
Something being unbalanced in 1v1 does not imply that it is balanced in group play.0 -
Niffo✭✭✭drwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »drwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »L2P is really all there is left to say at this point.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrz4xExzNRY&feature=youtu.be
I'm going to get a guildie to go with me and teach you guys some of the counters in a video though. You're welcome in advance.
Video proof that they have no argument. I'll be using this.
Not only that, but the ability to Bolt with a scroll, which was the strongest part of the ability (the only thing that really made it special, whether or not you considered it OP) has already been nerfed.
Its already an unremarkable ability now.
The No-Scroll nerf took away an interesting class/group play synergy. Now Sorcs no longer have a special role as scroll carriers.
Give these guys their way and all classes will be the same and we'll all be fighting each other with nothing but padded wiffle bats.
To counter 1 class ability you need someone on a high speed horse WITH Retreating Maneuvers and the Sorcerer has have been chased by an entire zerg, if that is proof that Bolt Escape is balanced, you don't know what balance means. Absolutely absurd, keep posting Nord, every time you do you get more and more ridiculous.
We're talking combat situations here. You going to cry about stealth too?
Stealth is hard countered by Mage-Light, damage over time effects, or AoE. Also please tell me how I get on a mount while I'm in combat to use this easy counter you guys have just shown. What a joke, can't be happy unless you're abusing broken mechanics.0 -
drwoody44b14_ESO✭✭✭L2P is really all there is left to say at this point.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrz4xExzNRY&feature=youtu.be
I'm going to get a guildie to go with me and teach you guys some of the counters in a video though. You're welcome in advance.
The problem is if you are in combat with them and they bolt away you are in combat and can't mount. Are you really this obtuse?
So they ran away, and you didnt get your 10 points to go from 323456 ranking to 323455 ranking?
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Phoenix99✭✭✭L2P is really all there is left to say at this point.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrz4xExzNRY&feature=youtu.be
I'm going to get a guildie to go with me and teach you guys some of the counters in a video though. You're welcome in advance.
Lol, you are posting the same video since day one of nerf bolt topic and it should be obvious, that if you would watch the other side of that video, you WOULD know, that the sorc was lagging hard (look at his reaction time, he even stands there for a moment and is tanking hits without doing ANYTHING). that was the only way to kill the guy, BECAUSE he lagged hard...
the bolt escape needs to be put in the same cost level as mist form OR have no effect when you are rooted/immobilized (either by disabling casting it, or casting it will not reposition you), so you have to use soft cc breaks like roll, purge, etc.
as it is it's too good for what it does at the given cost.1 -
Kolache✭✭✭✭drwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »So they ran away, and you didnt get your 10 points to go from 323456 ranking to 323455 ranking?
There it is. Sooner or later the defense goes from "they're totally catchable, you need to L2P" to "come on guys, who cares if they're uncatchable, they're not hurting anyone, LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!"Something being unbalanced in 1v1 does not imply that it is balanced in group play.1 -
drwoody44b14_ESO✭✭✭drwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »So they ran away, and you didnt get your 10 points to go from 323456 ranking to 323455 ranking?
There it is. Sooner or later the defense goes from "they're totally catchable, you need to L2P" to "come on guys, who cares if they're uncatchable, they're not hurting anyone, LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!"
Actually, I think the argument from your side is that they need to fix in combat flagging so people can mount correctly.
I'm still waiting to see how bolt escape is a fight winnerEdited by drwoody44b14_ESO on 6 May 2014 17:510 -
Niffo✭✭✭drwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »L2P is really all there is left to say at this point.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrz4xExzNRY&feature=youtu.be
I'm going to get a guildie to go with me and teach you guys some of the counters in a video though. You're welcome in advance.
The problem is if you are in combat with them and they bolt away you are in combat and can't mount. Are you really this obtuse?
So they ran away, and you didnt get your 10 points to go from 323456 ranking to 323455 ranking?
Is that what you think this is about? Someone not getting killed? It's about an imbalance in the skills available to the classes.
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beravinprb19_ESO✭✭✭
That only solves half the problem. If you can mount up, so can the Sorcerer.drwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »drwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »So they ran away, and you didnt get your 10 points to go from 323456 ranking to 323455 ranking?
There it is. Sooner or later the defense goes from "they're totally catchable, you need to L2P" to "come on guys, who cares if they're uncatchable, they're not hurting anyone, LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!"
Actually, I think the argument from your side is that they need to fix in combat flagging so people can mount correctly.
Its not an "I win" button. Its an "I live forever unless I'm an idiot" button.drwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »
I'm still waiting to see how bolt escape is a fight winnerdrwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »So they ran away, and you didnt get your 10 points to go from 323456 ranking to 323455 ranking?
There it is. Sooner or later the defense goes from "they're totally catchable, you need to L2P" to "come on guys, who cares if they're uncatchable, they're not hurting anyone, LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!"Edited by beravinprb19_ESO on 6 May 2014 17:561 -
beravinprb19_ESO✭✭✭Double posted due to internet issues, please ignore this post.
WTB ability to delete posts you make, 60k >.>Edited by beravinprb19_ESO on 6 May 2014 18:010 -
tplink3r1✭✭✭✭✭
✭buffed bolt escape and NERFED templar "vampire's bane" and "reflecting light" snare (patch 1.1), idk why zenimax hate templars so much.VR16 Templar
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NordJitsu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I've checked and there is no bug affecting my character.
Perhaps its just certain players?
I still get reduced magicka regen after casting this ability.0 -
Niffo✭✭✭drwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »drwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »L2P is really all there is left to say at this point.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrz4xExzNRY&feature=youtu.be
I'm going to get a guildie to go with me and teach you guys some of the counters in a video though. You're welcome in advance.
Video proof that they have no argument. I'll be using this.
Who knew that all ya needed to counter a Sorc, was to chase him down on a horse after fighting him and then pray he's lagged so bad he can't port very far
What part of that video shows he was fighting?
I bet you cry when you go to gank someone and they stealth. LETS NERF DETECTION POTS AND MAGELIGHT K?
The compass shows hes in combat, the red outline is an addon. Why would I want to nerf detection pots and magelight if i'm trying to fight someone that is using stealth? Are you thinking before posting? Sounds like the Sorcerers are posting with their emotions not their brains.
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NordJitsu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@Raggok
If I said that Dark Cloak gives the same escape capability as Bolt Escape then forgive me, I misspoke.
I meant to say that it gives a far superior escape capability.
Again, if you disagree, you're simply misinformed or not a skilled player.
Here's a video of a NB using the ability to solo Vet Rank Group Instanced Dungeons:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJVgYs3MFA4
With a resto staff and leeching strikes and/or Siphoning Attacks it can be used to equal effectiveness in PvP.
You simply chain Dark Cloak casts with Resto Staff heavy attacks (to restore mana and deal damage.) The Dark Cloak removes negative affects against you and also causes all attacks to miss and removes any tab targets levied against your character. Bolt Escape does neither of those things as projectiles will still follow you and tab-targets will remain active.
Additionally, Dark Cloak is cheaper and grants invisibility.
Its not Over Powered. Not by any stretch of the imagination. Again, NBs are a squishier class so they're SUPPOSED to be able to escape, just like sorcs.
If you are still confused then I'll consider making a demonstration of that one as well. But honestly its a lot of work for to overcome your unwillingness to learn on your own.3 -
Cydone✭✭✭✭
I stopped at the self healing of a NB. If you think that the NB heals are any good, in comparison to the other two, then you really don't know what you are talking about.@beravinprb19_ESO
Its a useful skill. I don't deny that. It is, in fact, one of the most important skills for a caster sorc since they lack the self healing of a DK, Templar, or Night Blade.
But it has many many counters. I've explained some of them above. If you're unable to use those counters, its a player skill issue. I don't mean that in a derogatory way. I'm sure you're plenty skilled in many aspects of the game. You just have yet to learn how to appropriately counter this skill. That doesn't mean counters don't exist. It means you still have room to grow as a player.
If I have to get my guild media officer to make a video demonstrating some counters, I will.
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drwoody44b14_ESO✭✭✭jobo11b16_ESO wrote: »drwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »drwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »L2P is really all there is left to say at this point.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lrz4xExzNRY&feature=youtu.be
I'm going to get a guildie to go with me and teach you guys some of the counters in a video though. You're welcome in advance.
Video proof that they have no argument. I'll be using this.
Who knew that all ya needed to counter a Sorc, was to chase him down on a horse after fighting him and then pray he's lagged so bad he can't port very far
What part of that video shows he was fighting?
I bet you cry when you go to gank someone and they stealth. LETS NERF DETECTION POTS AND MAGELIGHT K?
The compass shows hes in combat, the red outline is an addon. Why would I want to nerf detection pots and magelight if i'm trying to fight someone that is using stealth?
Because who knew all you needed to counter a stealther was to chase him down and pop a pop/magelight.
See where im going with this?
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Raggok✭✭@Raggok
If I said that Dark Cloak gives the same escape capability as Bolt Escape then forgive me, I misspoke.
I meant to say that it gives a far superior escape capability.
Again, if you disagree, you're simply misinformed or not a skilled player.
Here's a video of a NB using the ability to solo Vet Rank Group Instanced Dungeons:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJVgYs3MFA4
With a resto staff and leeching strikes and/or Siphoning Attacks it can be used to equal effectiveness in PvP.
You simply chain Dark Cloak casts with Resto Staff heavy attacks (to restore mana and deal damage.) The Dark Cloak removes negative affects against you and also causes all attacks to miss and removes any tab targets levied against your character. Bolt Escape does neither of those things as projectiles will still follow you and tab-targets will remain active.
Additionally, Dark Cloak is cheaper and grants invisibility.
Its not Over Powered. Not by any stretch of the imagination. Again, NBs are a squishier class so they're SUPPOSED to be able to escape, just like sorcs.
If you are still confused then I'll consider making a demonstration of that one as well. But honestly its a lot of work for to overcome your unwillingness to learn on your own.
Why are you even posting a PvE video in this discussion, You do realize that players don't stand around like idiots like PvE mobs when Nightblades stealth, right? Or maybe you stand around like an idiot when they do?
And, I play a NB. I know full well how you can cheese mobs with stealth. Guess what, you can't do that against PLAYERS. Unless they are bad, like you perhaps?1 -
Niffo✭✭✭@Raggok
If I said that Dark Cloak gives the same escape capability as Bolt Escape then forgive me, I misspoke.
I meant to say that it gives a far superior escape capability.
Again, if you disagree, you're simply misinformed or not a skilled player.
Here's a video of a NB using the ability to solo Vet Rank Group Instanced Dungeons:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJVgYs3MFA4
With a resto staff and leeching strikes and/or Siphoning Attacks it can be used to equal effectiveness in PvP.
You simply chain Dark Cloak casts with Resto Staff heavy attacks (to restore mana and deal damage.) The Dark Cloak removes negative affects against you and also causes all attacks to miss and removes any tab targets levied against your character. Bolt Escape does neither of those things as projectiles will still follow you and tab-targets will remain active.
Additionally, Dark Cloak is cheaper and grants invisibility.
Its not Over Powered. Not by any stretch of the imagination. Again, NBs are a squishier class so they're SUPPOSED to be able to escape, just like sorcs.
If you are still confused then I'll consider making a demonstration of that one as well. But honestly its a lot of work for to overcome your unwillingness to learn on your own.
A video showing how the AI is broken when it comes to invisibility is what you're using to show Dark Cloak is on par with Bolt Escape when were talking about PvP situations? Hilarious. So Dark Cloak breaks npcs in PvE, that means its as good as Bolt Escape is in PvP.
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Carde✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Lol @ Standard of Oneshot.
More like Standard of DOT AOE that kills people too stupid or bad to get out of it.
Or Standard of Darwinism.Member of the Psijic Order PTS Group2 -
LickyoSoul Shrivento the person posting that dark cloak is a better escape then bolt escape please uninstall the game.. dark cloak is so bugged out in PVP i only use it to clear damage over time... also showing nightblade in PVE? who cares any good nightblade can solo every vet dungeon1
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Yusuf✭✭✭✭✭Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Mate , people in other threads are quitting , cause they feel their classes are crap near the DK/sorc , and honestly , i agree with them.
My templar is a piece of crap near a DK/sorc.
There are 3 options here really , either they nerf those classes, they buff other classes till they have an actual fair standing , or they allow people to change classes , and we will all be sorcs/DKs.
Honestly , wanna proof most players think DK/sorcs are OP? Allow class changes , i bet with you , within a few weeks tons of people will jump the wagon to those classes.
As a BoltEscape using Sorcerer, i have to disagree with you i was knocked down and killed several times due to a templar's piercing javelin and I am so bold to attack the sieging enemies from behind all by myself. I also have a lot of problems if a nightblade marks me and goes invisible. Here, i just gave you two possible ways to counter me
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scy22b14_ESO✭✭✭Nord,
All due respect, you're wrong here. Numerous comments back that up, so I won't repeat why. Bolt escape needs to be fixed.1 -
NordJitsu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@scy22b14_ESO
Come on now. Posting a contrary statement with no backing evidence doesn't do anyone any good. There's about 5 threads on this topic right now with multiple people explaining why Bolt Escape is fine as is (or could use a buff) and why the people complaining about it simply have a player skill issue.
But don't worry. If everything goes as planned, I'll be making my Bolt Escape counter video tonight. I'll post that up so people can actually see the counters in action, since apparently reading is hard.0 -
scy22b14_ESO✭✭✭@scy22b14_ESO
Come on now. Posting a contrary statement with no backing evidence doesn't do anyone any good. There's about 5 threads on this topic right now with multiple people explaining why Bolt Escape is fine as is (or could use a buff) and why the people complaining about it simply have a player skill issue.
But don't worry. If everything goes as planned, I'll be making my Bolt Escape counter video tonight. I'll post that up so people can actually see the counters in action, since apparently reading is hard.
To find backing all you need to do is read the comments prior to mine. All your counters have been countered. Anything I could say would simply be copy pasting, and it's a waste of time and effort. I've read them all, I've competed against, and as a vet level sorc, and there simply is no counter to the skill in an evenly matched, skill based encounter.
You against the world on this one. How could you possibly be wrong.2