Population shrinking, PLEASE do something

MISTFORMBZZZ · October 20

Arrow312 wrote: »

MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »

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SkaiFaith wrote: »

On XBOX EU I am seeing Guild Traders' Spots in towns without any guild taking them for weeks. I think this points to a bad health of population since I don't remember seeing this before, and I'm almost 8 years playing now.

I can see the many potential issues in crossplay between consoles and PC, and I imagine unifying XBOX EU and NA would be harder physically, while merging XBOX EU and PS EU would be more difficult business-wise, but I think ANY form of crossplay feels needed at this point, at least for XBOX EU and PS EU.

Even if they would only merge xbox eu and ps eu it would be a big difference in population.

PS EU is the same level dead.

And the message that crossplay is a thing, would bring many players back

@MISTFORMBZZZ never saw more players in town at the same time like in this game. Even the Events are always full.

I know, i got quite a shock when i seen this.

We are so used to think "nah the servers cant handle this, without lagging or crashing us" , its incredible to see whats truely possible in 2024 and with a propper good looking engine.

In the other game wich you and me are reffering too im not a fan of the combat and the targeting is terrible ((No combat system in a mmo ever got me like eso, its truely unique for me))
but the game is doing a lot right, the REWARDING events, you can earn the ingame currency just by playing (not to compare with the daily endevours lol) , some dungeon only gets unlocked when its raining, there is a flying giant whale where you can fly on lol.

There is truely always something going on, i already got 100 hours in the game since release on consoles and its free to play.

A lot people are saying its pay to win but the only thing i bought is the battlepass wich gives me crafting materials wich i can get by playing too.
Im max. level with purple gear and in one of the top guilds, without spending a dime otherwise.

In eso you just need ESO plus to have a propper inventory lol. Its not playable without eso plus, if youre playing active.

But hell man im missing eso really much, today i tried to get my pvp guild together but it was soooo dead and empty, we stopped after 1,5h (screenshot above 2 bar each on a sunday, grayhost at prime time).

I just want the game to be fixed so we can return.

Zos must find a way to get the population back and even if that might does not appear for every server, on PS EU its urgent.

Mavloc · October 20

I am thinking about coming back to ESO, but I can tell you right now, If support doesn't let me buy the Tel Galen home because it is "not available" im going to uninstall.

Furnishing a home is literally 50% of the end game content that people stick around for. If ZOS wants to continue to lock that behind artificial scarcity, I'm not going to bother playing.

I enjoy roleplaying, and player homes is a huge part of that.

JustLovely · October 20

Mavloc wrote: »

I am thinking about coming back to ESO, but I can tell you right now, If support doesn't let me buy the Tel Galen home because it is "not available" im going to uninstall.

Furnishing a home is literally 50% of the end game content that people stick around for. If ZOS wants to continue to lock that behind artificial scarcity, I'm not going to bother playing.

I enjoy roleplaying, and player homes is a huge part of that.

I seriously doubt housing is 50% of the draw to ESO. Personally I wish ZOS had never implemented housing at all. The focus should be on the great combat system that makes ESO unique and outstanding compared to other PvP games. (yes, ESO is a PvP game too, not just PvE)

gronoxvx · October 21

JustLovely wrote: »

Mavloc wrote: »

I am thinking about coming back to ESO, but I can tell you right now, If support doesn't let me buy the Tel Galen home because it is "not available" im going to uninstall.

Furnishing a home is literally 50% of the end game content that people stick around for. If ZOS wants to continue to lock that behind artificial scarcity, I'm not going to bother playing.

I enjoy roleplaying, and player homes is a huge part of that.

I seriously doubt housing is 50% of the draw to ESO. Personally I wish ZOS had never implemented housing at all. The focus should be on the great combat system that makes ESO unique and outstanding compared to other PvP games. (yes, ESO is a PvP game too, not just PvE)

Maybe not 50% but its definitely up there. Why else would they keep pumping out $100+ houses regularly.

TaSheen · October 21

JustLovely wrote: »

Mavloc wrote: »

I am thinking about coming back to ESO, but I can tell you right now, If support doesn't let me buy the Tel Galen home because it is "not available" im going to uninstall.

Furnishing a home is literally 50% of the end game content that people stick around for. If ZOS wants to continue to lock that behind artificial scarcity, I'm not going to bother playing.

I enjoy roleplaying, and player homes is a huge part of that.

I seriously doubt housing is 50% of the draw to ESO. Personally I wish ZOS had never implemented housing at all. The focus should be on the great combat system that makes ESO unique and outstanding compared to other PvP games. (yes, ESO is a PvP game too, not just PvE)

I hate the combat. Housing is great! Pvp is NOT great. Thankfully, those of us who are not interested have a whole game to explore outside of the narrow focus some of you have on pvp.

I got over messing with pvp a decade or more ago. Just ugh.

Elsonso · October 21

gronoxvx wrote: »

JustLovely wrote: »

Mavloc wrote: »

I am thinking about coming back to ESO, but I can tell you right now, If support doesn't let me buy the Tel Galen home because it is "not available" im going to uninstall.

Furnishing a home is literally 50% of the end game content that people stick around for. If ZOS wants to continue to lock that behind artificial scarcity, I'm not going to bother playing.

I enjoy roleplaying, and player homes is a huge part of that.

I seriously doubt housing is 50% of the draw to ESO. Personally I wish ZOS had never implemented housing at all. The focus should be on the great combat system that makes ESO unique and outstanding compared to other PvP games. (yes, ESO is a PvP game too, not just PvE)

Maybe not 50% but its definitely up there. Why else would they keep pumping out $100+ houses regularly.

It may even be more popular than veteran content.

Mavloc · October 21

JustLovely wrote: »

Mavloc wrote: »

I am thinking about coming back to ESO, but I can tell you right now, If support doesn't let me buy the Tel Galen home because it is "not available" im going to uninstall.

Furnishing a home is literally 50% of the end game content that people stick around for. If ZOS wants to continue to lock that behind artificial scarcity, I'm not going to bother playing.

I enjoy roleplaying, and player homes is a huge part of that.

I seriously doubt housing is 50% of the draw to ESO. Personally I wish ZOS had never implemented housing at all. The focus should be on the great combat system that makes ESO unique and outstanding compared to other PvP games. (yes, ESO is a PvP game too, not just PvE)

Uhh, ESO combat is very outdated. Newer MMOs do it better.

People play ESO to be immersed in the Lore. It's an elder scrolls game after all.
Being able to travel to regions not available in skyrim, morrowind, oblivion, is the real draw of the game.

Rkindaleft · October 21

I understand the logistics would probably be a challenge to work around (PS NA and Xbox NA sharing the megaserver, or PS EU and PS NA etc...) but I would definitely support cross play between consoles and it's probably going to be necessary soon after the next handful of updates if nothing changes.

I would not support crossplay between PC however, as someone who is only ever going to play the game on console I would dislike having to play the game with people who have a "gameplay advantage" over console players such as through gear swap/bar setup addons alongside mechanic notifiers when running score pushes or trifectas, or being able to use market addons or TTC to make trading simpler, and I'm pretty sure most PC players doing these things would just stop playing altogether if their addons were taken away.

TaSheen · October 21

Rkindaleft wrote: »

I understand the logistics would probably be a challenge to work around (PS NA and Xbox NA sharing the megaserver, or PS EU and PS NA etc...) but I would definitely support cross play between consoles and it's probably going to be necessary soon after the next handful of updates if nothing changes.

I would not support crossplay between PC however, as someone who is only ever going to play the game on console I would dislike having to play the game with people who have a "gameplay advantage" over console players such as through gear swap/bar setup addons alongside mechanic notifiers when running score pushes or trifectas, or being able to use market addons or TTC to make trading simpler, and I'm pretty sure most PC players doing these things would just stop playing altogether if their addons were taken away.

Very perspicacious. Take away my addons, I quit entirely. 4 annual subs.... Yup. I can live without this game if my addons go away. I'm still playing Oblivion and Skyrim, so....

Nerouyn · October 21

Mavloc wrote: »

I am thinking about coming back to ESO, but I can tell you right now, If support doesn't let me buy the Tel Galen home because it is "not available" im going to uninstall.

Furnishing a home is literally 50% of the end game content that people stick around for. If ZOS wants to continue to lock that behind artificial scarcity, I'm not going to bother playing.

I enjoy roleplaying, and player homes is a huge part of that.

I was unable to play for an extended period and came back to find I quite enjoyed arcanists, and had just missed their Tower of Unutterable Truths home.

Support told me they no longer let people buy houses outside of sale periods.

Wouldn't cost you anything but a little time to try yourself and maybe you'll get lucky, but officially they no longer do this.

Arrow312 · October 21

MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »

Arrow312 wrote: »

MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »

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SkaiFaith wrote: »

On XBOX EU I am seeing Guild Traders' Spots in towns without any guild taking them for weeks. I think this points to a bad health of population since I don't remember seeing this before, and I'm almost 8 years playing now.

I can see the many potential issues in crossplay between consoles and PC, and I imagine unifying XBOX EU and NA would be harder physically, while merging XBOX EU and PS EU would be more difficult business-wise, but I think ANY form of crossplay feels needed at this point, at least for XBOX EU and PS EU.

Even if they would only merge xbox eu and ps eu it would be a big difference in population.

PS EU is the same level dead.

And the message that crossplay is a thing, would bring many players back

@MISTFORMBZZZ never saw more players in town at the same time like in this game. Even the Events are always full.

I know, i got quite a shock when i seen this.

We are so used to think "nah the servers cant handle this, without lagging or crashing us" , its incredible to see whats truely possible in 2024 and with a propper good looking engine.

In the other game wich you and me are reffering too im not a fan of the combat and the targeting is terrible ((No combat system in a mmo ever got me like eso, its truely unique for me))
but the game is doing a lot right, the REWARDING events, you can earn the ingame currency just by playing (not to compare with the daily endevours lol) , some dungeon only gets unlocked when its raining, there is a flying giant whale where you can fly on lol.

There is truely always something going on, i already got 100 hours in the game since release on consoles and its free to play.

A lot people are saying its pay to win but the only thing i bought is the battlepass wich gives me crafting materials wich i can get by playing too.
Im max. level with purple gear and in one of the top guilds, without spending a dime otherwise.

In eso you just need ESO plus to have a propper inventory lol. Its not playable without eso plus, if youre playing active.

But hell man im missing eso really much, today i tried to get my pvp guild together but it was soooo dead and empty, we stopped after 1,5h (screenshot above 2 bar each on a sunday, grayhost at prime time).

I just want the game to be fixed so we can return.

Zos must find a way to get the population back and even if that might does not appear for every server, on PS EU its urgent.

Me and my Guild mates bought the EA, there was Server issues at the beginning. But tbf i dont think they thought that so many players will start with the EA. But they do a maintaince everytime and increase the cap. The players got some ingame currency for the time of maintaince and DC. Now they do pretty well got no DCs so far.

I think there is every hour something in game. They do some good things like the dungeon which just open by rain or that at night in public dungeons are pvp time. Another impressing thing you teleport without loading screens.

The combat system is ok not like in eso but many games have Cooldown on skills and not a stam or mag bar. But yes the targeting is trash i always target something but never the one i want.

Heard this with P2W, too. As you said you can achive everythin ingame without paying so it isnt P2W for me.

In eso you just need ESO plus to have a propper inventory lol. Its not playable without eso plus, if youre playing active.
- Yes this true i saw it when i tried a month or 2 without Eso+ it was unplayable with all the stuff you got and many of the stuff didnt stack at this time.

But hell man im missing eso really much, today i tried to get my pvp guild together but it was soooo dead and empty, we stopped after 1,5h (screenshot above 2 bar each on a sunday, grayhost at prime time).
- Im not missing it but if it will get better me and others maybe return. I have many other games at the moment which dont let me think about ESO. E.g. NW, Tal, Dragons Dogma II, Dragons Age.....But from what i heard so far Cyro on X EU still dead one alli flag the map at their color and farm the others at their gates.

I think the NA and PC servers are ok they have enough players. But the PS and Xbox EU servers sometimes like ghosttowns many of these players switched to NA Servers or PC because of the low pop at these servers. Another Point I personally dont like is that you canont tranfers your Char to another Server. E.g my Main from EU to NA. Had over 2000 Cp on EU with all the stuff you need and crafting but if i want to start on NA i must to everything again and for this i dont have the motivation.

@Rkindaleft for me it was a new game with all the Addons i never had on Xbox. The daily crafting Addon was so helpful.

C0L0SSUS · October 21

Playing Eso for 10yrs Elders Scroll over 20 i had to say is..one of the Greatest games with the worst management...EVER

SkaiFaith · October 21

Also, the store and the ESOPlus offers really need changes:

To compensate for the loss of 2 DLC releases over the year, I would up to 1.900 the crowns per month with ESOPlus, and 25.000 the yearly offer.

All prices in the store that match the price of 1.000 crowns or more need a permanent 20% cut.

The rotation for returning seasonal crates need to be improved: all year there should be returning crates on sale, not a single day should remain without, with a season returning every 15 days.

SkaiFaith · October 21

Zenimax Online Studios Is now part of Xbox, so I want to give a big piece of advice to Microsoft/Xbox executives too, if you are willing to report to them our opinions:

I only follow Xbox (and Bethesda etc.) on socials and I buy only it since the OG launch - I don't get ANY Xbox game or service ad or notification of articles since the 360 era! Instead I get tons of Nintendo and PlayStation ads thrown at me from every angle: I got more ads for Concord than for CoD on Game pass, which I didn't see at all.
I never ever got an ESO ad, and I have thousands of hours in it from 2017.

Microsoft/Xbox/Zenimax marketing is really bad IMHO. Someone need to step up their game, seriously.

Edit: before this gets deleted by a mod, this comment IS on topic, extremely even. The game desperately needs more aimed marketing investments to reach more players.

alternatelder · October 21

SkaiFaith wrote: »

Zenimax Online Studios Is now part of Xbox, so I want to give a big piece of advice to Microsoft/Xbox executives too, if you are willing to report to them our opinions:

I only follow Xbox (and Bethesda etc.) on socials and I buy only it since the OG launch - I don't get ANY Xbox game or service ad or notification of articles since the 360 era! Instead I get tons of Nintendo and PlayStation ads thrown at me from every angle: I got more ads for Concord than for CoD on Game pass, which I didn't see at all.
I never ever got an ESO ad, and I have thousands of hours in it from 2017.

Microsoft/Xbox/Zenimax marketing is really bad IMHO. Someone need to step up their game, seriously.

Edit: before this gets deleted by a mod, this comment IS on topic, extremely even. The game desperately needs more aimed marketing investments to reach more players.

They don't want more people coming to the game to cause even more performance issues, lol, why would they advertise it more?

Surtalogic · October 21

Crossplay between consoles won't fix the issues. It will patch them for a while but the underlying issues need to be addressed. ZoS really needs to add some value to guilds, fix the performance issues and step away from the Excel sheet approach to everything.

Everyone is still running around in gear that is at least 2 years old now (except for PvP as Tarnished Nightmare withstood the Excel sheet approach somehow). Give us something to look forward to. Shake things up a bit. This game is stale, people are not progressing (gear wise) and that, combined with the less content each year, gives a very strong maintenance mode vibe. It makes sense people are walking away from that.

I really love this game and I hope the current trend can be reversed. The combat system of this game is unique and engaging but just like sets and classes it is getting butchered by Excel sheets.

Bammlschwamml · October 21

SkaiFaith wrote: »

Zenimax Online Studios Is now part of Xbox, so I want to give a big piece of advice to Microsoft/Xbox executives too, if you are willing to report to them our opinions:

I only follow Xbox (and Bethesda etc.) on socials and I buy only it since the OG launch - I don't get ANY Xbox game or service ad or notification of articles since the 360 era! Instead I get tons of Nintendo and PlayStation ads thrown at me from every angle: I got more ads for Concord than for CoD on Game pass, which I didn't see at all.
I never ever got an ESO ad, and I have thousands of hours in it from 2017.

Microsoft/Xbox/Zenimax marketing is really bad IMHO. Someone need to step up their game, seriously.

Edit: before this gets deleted by a mod, this comment IS on topic, extremely even. The game desperately needs more aimed marketing investments to reach more players.

I disagree. The marketing team does way too much, and promises more than the game can offer. Every time this game should have died they managed to raise expectations with all kinds of promises and "projects" and made new players think that it's worth a shot. That this game is still worth playing after 10 years.

I am 100% sure that we will get some kind of announcement and marketing campaign in the next few weeks or months that will make more players want to log in again. Before christmas, and after the hype for new games has died down.

But you can only do so much with marketing and carefully phrased letters from the boss.

Without a working quality product new players won't stay very long and old players on a break will immediately leave again after realizing that nothing has changed.

Nerouyn · October 21

SkaiFaith wrote: »

The game desperately needs more aimed marketing investments to reach more players.

Skillful marketing can be a powerful tool, but this is a 10 year old game. Nearly every potential player has probably already tried it and presumably, most decided not to stick with it.

Players won't return to a game simply because they see a slick or clever ad.

Any marketing campaign would need to overcome their sense of tried-it-and-didn't-like it. The reasons for any given player choosing to leave could be many and varied.

JWillCHS · October 21

I think competition on console with New World and T&L has definitely affected the population. By how much, I don't know. I think that's a good thing. Also, Zenimax Online Studios has probably increased the development of their new game. I am sure resources have moved to accommodate that resulting in less content for ESO. During the pandemic they had job postings for a new online game.

I still like ESO but I see the direction it's going in now. And I'm not mad because outside the combat I really liked what ZoS has built. And I'm looking forward to seeing what lessons they learned from ESO.

SkaiFaith · October 21

By the way... I can't be the only one who finds weird that ESO in not in the PC Microsoft store. It is only playable on Microsoft PCs via Cloud in the form of the Xbox version; while it is available on Steam, Epic, and obviously the dedicated launcher (you get my point even if I have expressed it poorly).

This is related because friction. Other games lose players because it's not intuitive to get access. From an Xbox gamer perspective, if I never used Steam or else, would expect the game to be in Microsoft store...

Mavloc · October 21

SkaiFaith wrote: »

Zenimax Online Studios Is now part of Xbox, so I want to give a big piece of advice to Microsoft/Xbox executives too, if you are willing to report to them our opinions:

I only follow Xbox (and Bethesda etc.) on socials and I buy only it since the OG launch - I don't get ANY Xbox game or service ad or notification of articles since the 360 era! Instead I get tons of Nintendo and PlayStation ads thrown at me from every angle: I got more ads for Concord than for CoD on Game pass, which I didn't see at all.
I never ever got an ESO ad, and I have thousands of hours in it from 2017.

Microsoft/Xbox/Zenimax marketing is really bad IMHO. Someone need to step up their game, seriously.

Edit: before this gets deleted by a mod, this comment IS on topic, extremely even. The game desperately needs more aimed marketing investments to reach more players.

I came back to the game years ago when they released Morrowind. They didn't need to market it to me. All they had to do was create something I was actually interested in.

Elsonso · October 21

Mavloc wrote: »

SkaiFaith wrote: »

Zenimax Online Studios Is now part of Xbox, so I want to give a big piece of advice to Microsoft/Xbox executives too, if you are willing to report to them our opinions:

I only follow Xbox (and Bethesda etc.) on socials and I buy only it since the OG launch - I don't get ANY Xbox game or service ad or notification of articles since the 360 era! Instead I get tons of Nintendo and PlayStation ads thrown at me from every angle: I got more ads for Concord than for CoD on Game pass, which I didn't see at all.
I never ever got an ESO ad, and I have thousands of hours in it from 2017.

Microsoft/Xbox/Zenimax marketing is really bad IMHO. Someone need to step up their game, seriously.

Edit: before this gets deleted by a mod, this comment IS on topic, extremely even. The game desperately needs more aimed marketing investments to reach more players.

I came back to the game years ago when they released Morrowind. They didn't need to market it to me. All they had to do was create something I was actually interested in.

Ithelia sounded lore breaking, so my wonder is whether it did not widely attract the Elder Scrolls faithful who were in no mood for such things from ZOS.

Jaraal · October 21

JWillCHS wrote: »

I still like ESO but I see the direction it's going in now. And I'm not mad because outside the combat I really liked what ZoS has built. And I'm looking forward to seeing what lessons they learned from ESO.

Are you expecting different values, priorities, communication, quality, etcetera from the same group of people? Not judging them one way or the other... but I'm genuinely curious to know why you would expect different results?

Mavloc · October 21

Elsonso wrote: »

Ithelia sounded lore breaking, so my wonder is whether it did not widely attract the Elder Scrolls faithful who were in no mood for such things from ZOS.

What Ithelia essentially does is allow them to create their own dragon breaks, so they can create new lore; new stories completely separate from TES games. A whole different timeline. And once they've squeezed all the money they can out of it, they'll just kill off Ithelia, Hermaeus Mora will come in like the men in black and wipe everyone's mind, and it will be as if it never happened.

Elsonso · October 21

Jaraal wrote: »

JWillCHS wrote: »

I still like ESO but I see the direction it's going in now. And I'm not mad because outside the combat I really liked what ZoS has built. And I'm looking forward to seeing what lessons they learned from ESO.

Are you expecting different values, priorities, communication, quality, etcetera from the same group of people? Not judging them one way or the other... but I'm genuinely curious to know why you would expect different results?

You are correct in that it is hard to teach and old dog new tricks.

To address the salient point... I do not expect the ZOS New Game to be better than ESO. The industry is in a strange place right now, and that isn't helping.

OtarTheMad · October 21

Elsonso wrote: »

Mavloc wrote: »

SkaiFaith wrote: »

Zenimax Online Studios Is now part of Xbox, so I want to give a big piece of advice to Microsoft/Xbox executives too, if you are willing to report to them our opinions:

I only follow Xbox (and Bethesda etc.) on socials and I buy only it since the OG launch - I don't get ANY Xbox game or service ad or notification of articles since the 360 era! Instead I get tons of Nintendo and PlayStation ads thrown at me from every angle: I got more ads for Concord than for CoD on Game pass, which I didn't see at all.
I never ever got an ESO ad, and I have thousands of hours in it from 2017.

Microsoft/Xbox/Zenimax marketing is really bad IMHO. Someone need to step up their game, seriously.

Edit: before this gets deleted by a mod, this comment IS on topic, extremely even. The game desperately needs more aimed marketing investments to reach more players.

I came back to the game years ago when they released Morrowind. They didn't need to market it to me. All they had to do was create something I was actually interested in.

Ithelia sounded lore breaking, so my wonder is whether it did not widely attract the Elder Scrolls faithful who were in no mood for such things from ZOS.

Well, Ithelia and that story wasn’t just from ZOS. Devs made it a point to say that Bethesda had a hand in all of that. So if players think it’s lore breaking, they should look at Bethesda.

Elsonso · October 21

OtarTheMad wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

Mavloc wrote: »

SkaiFaith wrote: »

Zenimax Online Studios Is now part of Xbox, so I want to give a big piece of advice to Microsoft/Xbox executives too, if you are willing to report to them our opinions:

I only follow Xbox (and Bethesda etc.) on socials and I buy only it since the OG launch - I don't get ANY Xbox game or service ad or notification of articles since the 360 era! Instead I get tons of Nintendo and PlayStation ads thrown at me from every angle: I got more ads for Concord than for CoD on Game pass, which I didn't see at all.
I never ever got an ESO ad, and I have thousands of hours in it from 2017.

Microsoft/Xbox/Zenimax marketing is really bad IMHO. Someone need to step up their game, seriously.

Edit: before this gets deleted by a mod, this comment IS on topic, extremely even. The game desperately needs more aimed marketing investments to reach more players.

I came back to the game years ago when they released Morrowind. They didn't need to market it to me. All they had to do was create something I was actually interested in.

Ithelia sounded lore breaking, so my wonder is whether it did not widely attract the Elder Scrolls faithful who were in no mood for such things from ZOS.

Well, Ithelia and that story wasn’t just from ZOS. Devs made it a point to say that Bethesda had a hand in all of that. So if players think it’s lore breaking, they should look at Bethesda.

No, pretty sure it was all ZOS. Bethesda signed off on it and may have providedinput, though.

DeadlySerious · October 21

JustLovely wrote: »

Mavloc wrote: »

I am thinking about coming back to ESO, but I can tell you right now, If support doesn't let me buy the Tel Galen home because it is "not available" im going to uninstall.

Furnishing a home is literally 50% of the end game content that people stick around for. If ZOS wants to continue to lock that behind artificial scarcity, I'm not going to bother playing.

I enjoy roleplaying, and player homes is a huge part of that.

I seriously doubt housing is 50% of the draw to ESO. Personally I wish ZOS had never implemented housing at all. The focus should be on the great combat system that makes ESO unique and outstanding compared to other PvP games. (yes, ESO is a PvP game too, not just PvE)

I completely agree. The overly enthusiastic casuals that come to ESO and demand the game become a strictly casual questing solo game without PvP or combat of any kind are demanding that ESO be a different game than it was designed to be. Which is weird because there are already at least 1,000 solo questing games out there to choose from, so no reason to lobby ZOS to change ESO into something other than what it was designed to be.

Cooperharley · October 21

ZOS is fantastic at getting people to come to the game. Their problem has always been keeping players around long term because of a lack of reward structure, which we’ve all complained about for years.

Monetization has always been more important than retention, which is largely why we’re here today. Steam charts is great for trending just like any poll.

There are absolutely less players than before.

Golden pursuits is a step in the right direction, but they have a lot of work before we get to a good place reward structure wise.

OtarTheMad · October 21

Elsonso wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

Elsonso wrote: »

Mavloc wrote: »

SkaiFaith wrote: »

Zenimax Online Studios Is now part of Xbox, so I want to give a big piece of advice to Microsoft/Xbox executives too, if you are willing to report to them our opinions:

I only follow Xbox (and Bethesda etc.) on socials and I buy only it since the OG launch - I don't get ANY Xbox game or service ad or notification of articles since the 360 era! Instead I get tons of Nintendo and PlayStation ads thrown at me from every angle: I got more ads for Concord than for CoD on Game pass, which I didn't see at all.
I never ever got an ESO ad, and I have thousands of hours in it from 2017.

Microsoft/Xbox/Zenimax marketing is really bad IMHO. Someone need to step up their game, seriously.

Edit: before this gets deleted by a mod, this comment IS on topic, extremely even. The game desperately needs more aimed marketing investments to reach more players.

I came back to the game years ago when they released Morrowind. They didn't need to market it to me. All they had to do was create something I was actually interested in.

Ithelia sounded lore breaking, so my wonder is whether it did not widely attract the Elder Scrolls faithful who were in no mood for such things from ZOS.

Well, Ithelia and that story wasn’t just from ZOS. Devs made it a point to say that Bethesda had a hand in all of that. So if players think it’s lore breaking, they should look at Bethesda.

No, pretty sure it was all ZOS. Bethesda signed off on it and may have providedinput, though.

Rich literally went out of his way during the Global Reveal to thank Bethesda for help and input on Ithelia and the story and painted a picture that it was more of a joint effort this time.