Please no more Crown Crates (or Loot boxes) as a daily reward!

Spinjitzu_Mistress · May 5

Dear Bethesda Team,

I no longer wish to receive Crown Crates (or Loot boxes) after login as a daily reward. For me, these loot boxes are not a "reward", but they seduce the player to log in everyday. This is more like gambling instead of earning rewards for achievements. I see the fact that you integrate them into the daily rewards as an attempt to hook me. Also other daily rewards during the jubilee like a house or DLC don't put me in a more conciliatory mood.

This is the third month this year that you've been trying to sell me these loot boxes. Sure there may be players who don't mind. However, it bothers me. I also don't want the "free" random content in these boxes. I'm proud of my earned collection: Gestures, trophies, mounts etc. And I don't want my collection to be littered with this "free" content from the loot boxes.

Either you don't offer loot boxes in the daily rewards at all, or I want to (at least) have the freedom to REFUSE the daily reward without a blinking speech bubble in the chat window reminding me constantly that I'm "allowed" to pick up this daily "reward" even several days.

I started playing Elder Scrolls Online a few years ago because it has a nice lore and is buy-to-play (rather than free-to-play). I invested a lot of time in the game and hoped to be with it for a long time. The fact that there were already loot boxes when I started playing didn't bother me, as they weren't forced on me (until today). But now I have the feeling that I have to adjust myself (i.e. accept more inconvenience) instead of simply enjoying the game. I do really love walking through the great scenery, listen to the beautiful music while enjoying the interesting stories you've come up with in the quests. Unfortunately, my feeling has changed as the loot boxes are starting to get on my nerves and destroy my immersion.

For the future, please skip offering loot boxes (or Crown Crates as you call them) as a daily "reward". Or at least give me the free choice to refuse this daily log-in reward. Please!

Many thanks and best wishes,
Spin

Yamenstein · May 5

But gamble boxes. It’s the easiest gift for them to give. And also a big cop out from giving a real reward.

Anifaas · May 5

I love receiving crates as daily rewards because the prizes are usually so awful. This serves to remind me why it is not worth while to waste resources gambling in video-games.

notyuu · May 5

Or you just take the free box, turn the junk inside into gems and use those to buy what you want when something actually shows up in the store that you want

LanteanPegasus · May 5

As a suggestion for a workaround:

I think crown crates never go to the inventory. So if you accept the daily reward and just never click on the crown crate symbol to summon Pacrooti (or never open them there), you can ignore them for all times, effectively rejecting them. Or at least your collections and your chat window speech bubble will be unaffected by their existence.

marcbf · May 5

Spinjitzu_Mistress wrote: »

Dear Bethesda Team,

I no longer wish to receive Crown Crates (or Loot boxes) after login as a daily reward. For me, these loot boxes are not a "reward", but they seduce the player to log in everyday. This is more like gambling instead of earning rewards for achievements. I see the fact that you integrate them into the daily rewards as an attempt to hook me. Also other daily rewards during the jubilee like a house or DLC don't put me in a more conciliatory mood.

This is the third month this year that you've been trying to sell me these loot boxes. Sure there may be players who don't mind. However, it bothers me. I also don't want the "free" random content in these boxes. I'm proud of my earned collection: Gestures, trophies, mounts etc. And I don't want my collection to be littered with this "free" content from the loot boxes.

Either you don't offer loot boxes in the daily rewards at all, or I want to (at least) have the freedom to REFUSE the daily reward without a blinking speech bubble in the chat window reminding me constantly that I'm "allowed" to pick up this daily "reward" even several days.

I started playing Elder Scrolls Online a few years ago because it has a nice lore and is buy-to-play (rather than free-to-play). I invested a lot of time in the game and hoped to be with it for a long time. The fact that there were already loot boxes when I started playing didn't bother me, as they weren't forced on me (until today). But now I have the feeling that I have to adjust myself (i.e. accept more inconvenience) instead of simply enjoying the game. I do really love walking through the great scenery, listen to the beautiful music while enjoying the interesting stories you've come up with in the quests. Unfortunately, my feeling has changed as the loot boxes are starting to get on my nerves and destroy my immersion.

For the future, please skip offering loot boxes (or Crown Crates as you call them) as a daily "reward". Or at least give me the free choice to refuse this daily log-in reward. Please!

Many thanks and best wishes,
Spin

So you'd rather have the junk that is most of the Daily Rewards instead of Crown Crates, that *may* contain something valuable/useful or that can be turned into Crown Gems if not? I sincerely beg to differ.

Actually, if there's something most people have said about the Daily Rewards, it's that they wished back the days of old where ZOS gave rewards like these. It really goes to show that you cannot please everybody...

Snamyap · May 5

marcbf wrote: »

Spinjitzu_Mistress wrote: »

Dear Bethesda Team,

I no longer wish to receive Crown Crates (or Loot boxes) after login as a daily reward. For me, these loot boxes are not a "reward", but they seduce the player to log in everyday. This is more like gambling instead of earning rewards for achievements. I see the fact that you integrate them into the daily rewards as an attempt to hook me. Also other daily rewards during the jubilee like a house or DLC don't put me in a more conciliatory mood.

This is the third month this year that you've been trying to sell me these loot boxes. Sure there may be players who don't mind. However, it bothers me. I also don't want the "free" random content in these boxes. I'm proud of my earned collection: Gestures, trophies, mounts etc. And I don't want my collection to be littered with this "free" content from the loot boxes.

Either you don't offer loot boxes in the daily rewards at all, or I want to (at least) have the freedom to REFUSE the daily reward without a blinking speech bubble in the chat window reminding me constantly that I'm "allowed" to pick up this daily "reward" even several days.

I started playing Elder Scrolls Online a few years ago because it has a nice lore and is buy-to-play (rather than free-to-play). I invested a lot of time in the game and hoped to be with it for a long time. The fact that there were already loot boxes when I started playing didn't bother me, as they weren't forced on me (until today). But now I have the feeling that I have to adjust myself (i.e. accept more inconvenience) instead of simply enjoying the game. I do really love walking through the great scenery, listen to the beautiful music while enjoying the interesting stories you've come up with in the quests. Unfortunately, my feeling has changed as the loot boxes are starting to get on my nerves and destroy my immersion.

For the future, please skip offering loot boxes (or Crown Crates as you call them) as a daily "reward". Or at least give me the free choice to refuse this daily log-in reward. Please!

Many thanks and best wishes,
Spin

So you'd rather have the junk that is most of the Daily Rewards instead of Crown Crates, that *may* contain something valuable/useful or that can be turned into Crown Gems if not? I sincerely beg to differ.

Actually, if there's something most people have said about the Daily Rewards, it's that they wished back the days of old where ZOS gave rewards like these. It really goes to show that you cannot please everybody...

That says more about the deplorable content of the daily rewards than the desirability of gamble boxes.

Tandor · May 5

I don't buy crates, but I don't have any issues with them being available for those who do buy them, and I've yet to see their critics coming up with alternative revenue sources if they were removed from the game as they would like.

It follows therefore that I don't have an issue with them being given as daily login rewards, and it certainly reminds me why I don't buy them. However, I'd have no problem with it being possible either to decline them with a single click and no reminders, or to destroy them before they're opened. There would need to be a failsafe way of destroying them so that Customer Support weren't inundated with tickets from those who seemingly never read what they're doing and so would doubtless complain about having destroyed them accidentally.

Rowjoh · May 5

Spinjitzu_Mistress wrote: »

Dear Bethesda Team,

I no longer wish to receive Crown Crates (or Loot boxes) after login as a daily reward. For me, these loot boxes are not a "reward", but they seduce the player to log in everyday. This is more like gambling instead of earning rewards for achievements...

Good point well made.

I enjoy the gambling crates, but then I'm of sufficient age and experience with a decent amount of willpower to not get sucked into a purchasing spiral, but its not a healthy or particularly moral way to go about business when one considers the significant younger gaming demographic who by definition are inexperienced and either students or of limited income but more susceptible to the temptation of the crown store.

Not sure if there are any warnings about 'responsible spending' either, come to think of it.

And make no mistake, ESO will not live or die with or without the crate purchasing revenue stream, and it could easily be replaced by other vehicles such as extra storage, much better aesthetically desirable mounts, motifs and armour, DLC content for PVP etc etc..

Grec1a · May 5

I love the free crates.

I never feel like I get much out of them, but when they come back to the Endeavours store on a limited run, quite few items are greyed out - so I must be luckier than I think!

I just think of them as free gems: 'half' a cool monkey pet is just as good a reward as a pig pet I don't want (except I really do want the pig!)

I just have to be disciplined not to look up the crates on UESP. If there's something really good in there, which I inevitably won't get, there'll be no way for me to buy it with gems or seals. I don't want my free gift to make me feel sad...

Danikat · May 5

Spinjitzu_Mistress wrote: »

Dear Bethesda Team,

I no longer wish to receive Crown Crates (or Loot boxes) after login as a daily reward. For me, these loot boxes are not a "reward", but they seduce the player to log in everyday. This is more like gambling instead of earning rewards for achievements. I see the fact that you integrate them into the daily rewards as an attempt to hook me. Also other daily rewards during the jubilee like a house or DLC don't put me in a more conciliatory mood.

This is the third month this year that you've been trying to sell me these loot boxes. Sure there may be players who don't mind. However, it bothers me. I also don't want the "free" random content in these boxes. I'm proud of my earned collection: Gestures, trophies, mounts etc. And I don't want my collection to be littered with this "free" content from the loot boxes.

I don't like loot boxes either, but in this sense I don't see how they're different from other login rewards. Those also give you free things that you don't have to earn by playing, which go into your collections mixed in with in-game rewards.

LanteanPegasus wrote: »

As a suggestion for a workaround:

I think crown crates never go to the inventory. So if you accept the daily reward and just never click on the crown crate symbol to summon Pacrooti (or never open them there), you can ignore them for all times, effectively rejecting them. Or at least your collections and your chat window speech bubble will be unaffected by their existence.

I can confirm that works. It means you'll have a little white ! next to the crown crate menu button, but it doesn't flash and is only visible when you have the menu open, so it's easy to ignore.

There was someone on the forum a few years ago who refused to open any of the free crown crates, they had over 100 at one point. I'm not sure if they're still around or if they ever opened them, but it seems like there's no limit for how many you can keep unopened and since they're not inventory items there's no problem with storing them.

I'm keeping all the ones from this month unopened until I get to the end of them, because it's annoying to click through the menus to open them and convert the junk to gems and it'll be quicker to do it all in one go rather than one at a time.

Ilumia · May 5

You don't have to participate in the fomo if you don't claim daily rewards at all, though I can see that it still is there as an unhealthy temptation. It just seems a little wild to complain about the rewards being too good. I'd say it was less weird to advocate for something like that to be taken out of the game completely as it is a bit of a predatory mechanic.

I love the improved daily rewards, they're back to when it started and felt wortwhile getting them - and I'm grateful for that.
There are even some really nice big rewards like a friggin house, and sometimes dlc's (I don't need thoose as I usually have eso+ to be able to play, but I recognize that a lot of people appreciate them).

Also, for the the people saing they always get crappy suff from the loot boxes, I hear you, but I still enjoy getting them in the dailies as they'll yield gems that I can turn into something I like, or save until some of the things I'd like inevetabily returns.

code65536 · May 5

@Spinjitzu_Mistress I, too, do not like the concept of gamble boxes.

But you can just ignore them. (You can also unbind the key to open the Crates screen.) And it's fun to see how many free crates I can collect without opening.

For example, after today's login reward, I've collected 24 unopened Scalecaller crates. Oh, and my crates stretch out to 6 pages, as you can see from the screenshot.

Plus just a few of the Twitch drop crates...

I know other players who do the same: collect free crates and just run up the score for the number of unopened crates.

Khrogo · May 5

If you don’t like lootboxes, then just accept them and leave them unopened. That way, your collection will remain unlittered. Most people, however, love receiving lootboxes as a daily reward. You are an outlier, and as such, your request will fall on deaf ears.

Your deeper objection to lootboxes is understandable. You are not alone. Regulatory efforts share your concerns about gambling. Lootboxes aren’t given away out of kindness, in the same way that free drugs from a drug dealer are never really free. Pacrooti knows that.

SkaiFaith · May 5

LanteanPegasus wrote: »

As a suggestion for a workaround:

I think crown crates never go to the inventory. So if you accept the daily reward and just never click on the crown crate symbol to summon Pacrooti (or never open them there), you can ignore them for all times, effectively rejecting them. Or at least your collections and your chat window speech bubble will be unaffected by their existence.

This.

I am here reading the original post being like: "...what?"

There is no forcing whatsoever. Opening the crates is something you have to decide by yourself to do. You can take them and never touch them, leaving them there.
Why deprive other players of something they often ask for?

I can't understand this as I can't understand when someone says "let me skip my daily free house reward" - seriously, I will never get this type of things... Never going to back them, sorry.

Rishikesa108 · May 5

Dear Bethesda Team,
please DO continue to put crown crates in the daily rewards !!!!
I like them so much, and so do many other people.
Thank you

spartaxoxo · May 5

Please DO keep these in the rewards. I enjoy getting them, even when it's only gems. If someone doesn't like them, they can just not bother with them. But there are those of who do like it that should be able to enjoy them.

Edit
I support the ability to reject them. I also wouldn't care if there was a way to indicate an account belongs to a minor and have them not show up for them at all. But removing them entirely shouldn't be the solution.

LyricsEcho · May 5

I love the free crates and when I have extra play money I purchase for what I like. Understandable that you don't like gambling or the loot box content but, just accept and never open them. Keep them as another thing to collect.

shadyjane62 · May 5

I am playing 10 years. I bought crates once with the crowns given for sub. It was the biggest waste of crowns yet. I will never buy any more at any time.

So I am happy to get the free ones because they are the only ones I will ever get. In all the crates I have received I only like one thing, a little flower coronet.

So I have no problem with them being in the daily rewards. If you don't want them you can destroy anything you get.

SeaGtGruff · May 5

The option to refuse a daily login reward might be nice if some people just absolutely do not want it, but if that option were added then there would need to be at least one "Are you sure you want to skip this reward?" prompt, otherwise there would be people complaining that they skipped a reward by accidentally "clicking through" without paying attention and now they want to be able to claim it after all.

It's definitely much simpler to just accept each reward, then destroy or sell any you don't want, or if it's a crate then just don't ever open it.

LouisaB75 · May 5

I love getting crates since I don't buy them from the store. Having a chance to get to play the crate lottery without spending anything is nice.

Dragonnord · May 5

Spinjitzu_Mistress wrote: »

I see the fact that you integrate them into the daily rewards as an attempt to hook me

ZOS didn't do it to hook you, it was implemented because a lot of players asked for them, after plenty of years of just regular stuff on the daily rewards.

Savos_Saren · May 5

This is such a first world problem. Asking a company to NOT give you free stuff. To top it off- this is a video game. Out of all the crazy things happening in the world- this is OP's concern. Getting free stuff makes them want to gamble.

Mesite · May 5

I got a mount that gets struck by lightning when he rears up. It's really cool. Don't stop the free crates. You get free crates when you level up for the first time. Please don't remove them either.

I wouldn't disagree if the crates which come in the daily rewards were re-packaged as gift bags or card packs so they aren't specifically labelled as crates but have the same theme and the content.
(They're mostly not things I would spend money on anyway).

DigiAngel · May 5

I'll take these over the Lethal Poison which gets insta-trashed any day.

karthrag_inak · May 5

code65536 wrote: »

Plus just a few of the Twitch drop crates...

I know other players who do the same: collect free crates and just run up the score for the number of unopened crates.

550! Khajiit is a hoarder, it is known, but that is extraordinary! This one bows to your amazing powers of collection.

Shara_Wynn · May 5

I don't see the free loot boxes as anything like gambling. You aren't purchasing them. They are being given away for free.

I am not a fan of loot boxes. I only ever purchase them to get gems and then with the expectation that I am likely to get a meagre 4 gems per crate. I just don't see crown crates given away as daily rewards as being the same as those which you pay money for in the hope of getting a specific item from them. That is when it becomes gambling for me.

Opening the free crown crates are just another form of RNG attached to your gameplay for that day. Same as would be if you were to loot a mob or harvest a node. Every time you do this, you are taking a chance on what the reward might be.

I think there is more of a problem, and more of an enticement, whenever the items change in the Crown Store at 10am EST / 14.00 UTC and a giant pop-up window appears in the middle of your screen, showcasing the current selection of wares available to purchase.

I do agree, however, that for those players who, for whatever reason, do not wish to accept a daily reward, there should be a 'decline' choice added, otherwise all further daily rewards will remain locked behind the particular day that the player has refrained from accepting (until of course, they accept it, and the reward moves onto the next day's).

Savos_Saren · May 5

Should restaurants stop serving food... just because one person has a tendency to overeat? This is a self-control issue.

SkaiFaith · May 5

Savos_Saren wrote: »

Should restaurants stop serving food... just because one person has a tendency to overeat? This is a self-control issue.

"Buffet-deniers"
/Jk

Hamish999 · May 5

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Please DO keep these in the rewards. I enjoy getting them, even when it's only gems. If someone doesn't like them, they can just not bother with them. But there are those of who do like it that should be able to enjoy them.

Edit
I support the ability to reject them. I also wouldn't care if there was a way to indicate an account belongs to a minor and have them not show up for them at all. But removing them entirely shouldn't be the solution.

A minor should not be playing ESO it is a PEGI 18/ESRB Mature rated game.

JeroenB · May 5

Anifaas wrote: »

I love receiving crates as daily rewards because the prizes are usually so awful. This serves to remind me why it is not worth while to waste resources gambling in video-games.

I agree with this. The opportunity to open a number of free crates over the years has demonstrated that the probability of some item I am personally interested in dropping is near zero, leading to the probability of me ever spending real money (or Crowns) gambling on these crates has also dropped to near zero.