Please no more Crown Crates (or Loot boxes) as a daily reward!

AvalonRanger · May 6

Or player can choose favorite daily reward from 3 type of option.
Personally, I want housing crafting material though...

Shara_Wynn · May 6

Uvi_AUT wrote: »

notyuu wrote: »

Or you just take the free box, turn the junk inside into gems and use those to buy what you want when something actually shows up in the store that you want

Thats jus another Gotcha. After you Scrap everything you will not have enough Gems to buy anything. Which in turn will lead you to purchase Crates again.

OnTopic:
I subscribe to that too. I HATE Lootboxes. I dont want to see them in my Loginrewards. My country is on the verge of making them illegal anyway, so fingers crossed they will be gone soon.

It would be interesting to hear from any players in Belgium, if they have been able to claim the daily log in rewards that are Crown Crates. Given that these are offered freely to the player with no purchase required with real world funds in order to claim them and the contents inside them.

Are they (free loot boxes) still subject to the ban there?

Shara_Wynn · May 6

Thorncrypt wrote: »

Lootboxes should not exist in a buy to play + subscription game like ESO.

A lot of players don't pay a subscription fee though and it's likely that the one off payment made on first purchasing the game (or any of it's chapters and other DLC's) isn't enough to pay for running the servers, let alone anything else.

In some countries the subscription cost for ESO + is really high, so for many paying a monthly subscription fee is not as affordable as it is in say the US or Europe. So I don't mind that extra revenue is found elsewhere, from players who do have a disposable income, so that those who do not and cannot readily afford to play ESO + can still play ESO.

However, I would much prefer that ZOS made all items straight up for sale in their Crown Store in order to get extra revenue, without the RNG involved with their loot box system.

I would also happily pay extra to have a furnishing bag and be able to place more furnishings in my house. An ESO ++ subscription if you like. Or for ZOS to market different subscription packages for different playstyles, in order to boost their funds in place of a loot box system.

Elyu · May 6

Not sure what the solution is here, but I am not a fan of daily login rewards at all.

I don't want to be "rewarded" for logging in each day (we already have enough of that in game with daily quests and the endless horse training mini-game)
I want to be rewarded for playing the game

And I am under the distinct impression ZOS favours the former over the latter (did you know only 5% of the mounts in ESO are obtainable through gameplay?)

Mathius_Mordred · May 6

If you don't like them don't open them. You are not gambling if you didn't pay for them. This is how the company makes money, or would you rather they triple your ESO+ membership?

I like them, I also like to buy 15 per month to try my luck and support the game as well as earning enough crystals to get a nice mount occasionally.

It's about self-control and personal discipline.

Ahkanji · May 6

Shara_Wynn wrote: »

It would be interesting to hear from any players in Belgium, if they have been able to claim the daily log in rewards that are Crown Crates. Given that these are offered freely to the player with no purchase required with real world funds in order to claim them and the contents inside them.

Are they (free loot boxes) still subject to the ban there?

I am from Belgium, we can claim the free Crates.

licenturion · May 6

If you don't want login rewards, don't claim them. End of story.

Don't try to take good stuff we get lately away from everybody who hasn't grinded/worked for it.

I love those boxes. I am from a country were crown crates are forbidden to be sold. But after years of those login and Twitch rewards I might finally get enough gems to buy something worthwhile.

People are weird these days. I saw some guy on Reddit the other day totally upset and up in arms we because we got a free house. Reading that made me eyeroll and laugh out loud at the same time.

Mathius_Mordred · May 6

Ahkanji wrote: »

Shara_Wynn wrote: »

It would be interesting to hear from any players in Belgium, if they have been able to claim the daily log in rewards that are Crown Crates. Given that these are offered freely to the player with no purchase required with real world funds in order to claim them and the contents inside them.

Are they (free loot boxes) still subject to the ban there?

I am from Belgium, we can claim the free Crates.

Can you not buy crown crates from the store then? How does that work if you try?

Ahkanji · May 6

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

Ahkanji wrote: »

Shara_Wynn wrote: »

It would be interesting to hear from any players in Belgium, if they have been able to claim the daily log in rewards that are Crown Crates. Given that these are offered freely to the player with no purchase required with real world funds in order to claim them and the contents inside them.

Are they (free loot boxes) still subject to the ban there?

I am from Belgium, we can claim the free Crates.

Can you not buy crown crates from the store then? How does that work if you try?

No, we don't have Crates in the store

Auldwulfe · May 6

What I would prefer is the option to sell everything for gems... I have no use for the dozens of body and head markings that are already stuffed into my collections. They, obviously, have a value, as they turn to gems if you get a duplicate. Either allow us to sell them, or gift them to others that want them.

Auldwulfe

SkaiFaith · May 6

And if, let's say, parents let minor kids have access to their credit card and spend all savings in crown crates, blame's on them, not the system. It's their responsibility.

People have already done plenty of good examples in this thread, giving good reasons to keep 'em coming.

Since I made a thread myself some time ago asking Zos for more Daily Crates, I REALLY hope they don't get swayed by opinions like this one and reduce/remove them.
PLEASE Zos, look at how many people you are making happy ("loyal") this year with all these good rewards!

P.s. on a side note, thanks for reducing the grind for Scribing, changes were noticed and appreciated! Keep listening to feedback

ganzaeso · May 6

code65536 wrote: »

Gaebriel0410 wrote: »

I don't get why people collect hundreds of unopened loot boxes as some kind of weird morality flex.

This is actually my first time showing that off (aside from my close friends who know that I collect them for fun), and it was mostly to show the OP that ignoring them is (1) a good, viable option that (2) can be made into a fun minigame for yourself. I mean, it's not that different than hoarding trading cards that never leave their factory packaging.

Also, about every year or two, I'll go and open those crates on the PTS for my amusement (since what happens on the PTS stays on the PTS*).

* Usually.

They must have had fun rolling your account back.

Asmelia · May 6

me i think it the best way for them to avoid getting law suit gambling shouldn't be a thing at first should be accountable so by giving free crown crate it avoid that gambling and with endeavors that they give. Because in many country lootbox is banned/can be sued.

agelonestar · May 6

To balance this out, I'd like MORE Crown Crates as daily rewards.

Thanks.

Tallon_IV · May 6

Another thread complaining about free stuff. I like the extra gems and don't feel "seduced". That is a personal problem.

Tandor · May 6

Hamish999 wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Hamish999 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Hamish999 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Please DO keep these in the rewards. I enjoy getting them, even when it's only gems. If someone doesn't like them, they can just not bother with them. But there are those of who do like it that should be able to enjoy them.

Edit
I support the ability to reject them. I also wouldn't care if there was a way to indicate an account belongs to a minor and have them not show up for them at all. But removing them entirely shouldn't be the solution.

A minor should not be playing ESO it is a PEGI 18/ESRB Mature rated game.

Minors can play those with parent permission. It's the parents should be advised this game contains mature content rating. It's not an adults only game.

Not in the UK, it is illegal to buy for, or allow a minor to play (or watch) content not suitable according to the ratings.

Which statute are you citing?

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-rules-to-better-protect-children-from-inappropriate-video-game-content

I could have worded it better, I was having a "words are hard" moment, it is the supply of the media that is illegal. Ever since the James Bulger murder the UK has had very strict rules regarding media ratings and the supply of such.
Think of it like alcohol or tobacco, it is illegal to sell alcohol or tobacco to someone under age, or to someone you suspect is buying it for someone under age. Same applies to media.

I am in no way saying I agree or disagree with these laws, just saying that they are what they are (in the UK at least).

Thanks for clarifying what you were referring to. As a UK player I wasn't concerned that it is now illegal for someone to sell this game to my grandson, I was simply highly dubious that I could be thrown in jail for letting him watch me playing it - and I can't be

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Vaqual · May 6

another non-issue blown out of proportion
business as usual

MreeBiPolar · May 6

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

The option to refuse a daily login reward might be nice if some people just absolutely do not want it, but if that option were added then there would need to be at least one "Are you sure you want to skip this reward?" prompt, otherwise there would be people complaining that they skipped a reward by accidentally "clicking through" without paying attention and now they want to be able to claim it after all.

It's definitely much simpler to just accept each reward, then destroy or sell any you don't want, or if it's a crate then just don't ever open it.

Make that option more like "skip it at the start of next day", with a way to still claim it until then, and both problems solved.

Maybe even make players to be able to mark the rewards they don't want that way in advance, so they won't pop up on that day.

MreeBiPolar · May 6

Hamish999 wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Please DO keep these in the rewards. I enjoy getting them, even when it's only gems. If someone doesn't like them, they can just not bother with them. But there are those of who do like it that should be able to enjoy them.

Edit
I support the ability to reject them. I also wouldn't care if there was a way to indicate an account belongs to a minor and have them not show up for them at all. But removing them entirely shouldn't be the solution.

A minor should not be playing ESO it is a PEGI 18/ESRB Mature rated game.

Actually, the ESO rating varies by jurisdiction, as shown here (note 16 and even 14 there):

https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/#en/answer/4721 wrote:

[ Australia & New Zealand ] - ACB M
[ Canada ] - ESRBCA Rated M
[ Central American & South America ] - BR 14
[ Europe ] - PEGI 18
[ Germany ] - USK 16
[ Russia ] - RR 18
[ United States ] - ESRB Rated M

Gambling age restrictions also vary by jurisdiction, being significantly higher than 18 years in some of them.

MreeBiPolar · May 6

vsrs_au wrote: »

moo_2021 wrote: »

vsrs_au wrote: »

dragonlord500 wrote: »

... why complain at all about something that is truly free?

Why? Because it encourages gambling, that's why.

isn't grinding for all the sets and style pages also a form of gambling, of time? Better to remove them all

No, they're not the same thing. When players buy crown crates, they're spending real life currency. This month's login rewards are encouraging players to do exactly that. Grinding for sets and style pages doesn't require any further spending of real life currency.

You can buy the style pages for real life currency (to avoid the grind). There's even the "buy now before it's too late" factor:

... So by your logic, they SHOULD be removed from the game.

Lixiviant · May 6

Don't see what is so bad about logging in each day. The crates are free, and I like freebies.

Geez, with all the other stuff they are giving away this year I can't believe anyone is bitching about something like this.

Sepultura_13 · May 6

OtarTheMad wrote: »

Man, people really hate free stuff.

I feel like we are in the area of f around and find out. I’ve seen so many threads complaining about free stuff like this, the house, the major compensation and I feel ZOS is going to look at this as negative feedback and not do it again. Years from now people will ask why we haven’t gotten “good” free stuff and people will point to these threads.

I like free crates because I don’t gamble on the crown crates. The stuff in the free ones are usually meh quality so it’s basically free crown gems. So i can collect those and endeavors and actually get what I want, if anything, from the crates. Getting the crates does not make me want to gamble on more crates.

I like the free crates as well - sometimes I get a decent reward, but I mostly convert stuff to gems. Nice to have gems to get something from the crown store every so often.

valenwood_vegan wrote: »

Man folks are tough to please. I like that zos has been giving us a wider variety of login rewards recently and I hope it continues, regardless of whether any individual reward perfectly satisfies my needs.

As for the free crates, I just look at it like free gems (similar to the ones I get from twitch drops), which eventually add up to the point where I can buy a thing I really want.

Some days the login rewards are useless to me, but might be just what someone else is looking for. I don't spend much of my time thinking deeply about them.

I'm definitely not gonna complain about them. Keep 'em coming!

Free crown crates = free gems. Nothing wrong with free stuff. The constant complainers are far more annoying than free stuff.

wazzz56 · May 6

This seems like a big reach......

I feel like some people would find Utopia and then complain it was too perfect........

KinnikuBeam · May 6

8 years i play this game i never win a radius mount.... long time ago i stop buy those *** !

TheMajority · May 6

simply put, I want more crown crates as daily rewards. so I don't agree.

Morvan · May 6

Just don't get or open them and you won't need to ruin it for the majority who wants them, simple self control makes your solution easy.

VouxeTheMinotaur · May 6

Sorry dude, have to highly disagree. I personally love getting free crates, doesn't matter to me if i get some junk since they easily convert to gems, could suggest that you do the same and just save the gems since it seems you're against... free stuff?

I'd also imagine the newer crowd of players with a small collection of pets, markings, etc. are loving the free crates. Should they choose to buy more, well, that's their decision really

vsrs_au · May 6

MreeBiPolar wrote: »

vsrs_au wrote: »

moo_2021 wrote: »

vsrs_au wrote: »

dragonlord500 wrote: »

... why complain at all about something that is truly free?

Why? Because it encourages gambling, that's why.

isn't grinding for all the sets and style pages also a form of gambling, of time? Better to remove them all

No, they're not the same thing. When players buy crown crates, they're spending real life currency. This month's login rewards are encouraging players to do exactly that. Grinding for sets and style pages doesn't require any further spending of real life currency.

You can buy the style pages for real life currency (to avoid the grind). There's even the "buy now before it's too late" factor:

... So by your logic, they SHOULD be removed from the game.

No, grinding for style pages isn't the same as paying for them, so your logic is flawed. Also, when you pay for style pages, you're not gambling, you know exactly what you're getting, there's no RNG involved. How can you possibly think crown crates and style pages are the same kind of purchase? If this is the kind of logic this thread has degenerated to, then I won't be posting in it anymore.

SpiritKitten · May 6

I got a baby tiger pet in my first crate, keep them coming!

Arizona_Steve · May 6

I do have mixed feelings about this. Personally, I have no issues with the free crates and I am happy to continue receiving them. However I always open the crates with my headphones off as I cannot stand Pacrooti and his manipulative voice lines.