Grim Focus Permaglow

Elvenheart · March 3

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Elvenheart wrote: »

Or, maybe what ZOS should do is pick the most used skill of EVERY class and give it a permanent red glow that only the player can see too and call it a feature instead of a bug. Now that I think of it, this may be the best solution to pass on to the powers that be @.ZOS_Kevin and I apologize if this is coming across as angry and bitter, but it’s just been so long 😫

hey i'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that this is a joke but can we not start doing this? bumping the permaglow thread has already became a meme around here as-is but throwing shade at other unaffected players over a game design grievance is not going to convince anyone let alone the devs as you're just coming off as spiteful. not sure what this is exactly accomplishing.

As I said in my post, I am sorry for how this is coming across. But if one could look back over all of my posts since the beginning of about this topic, they would see how hopeful and positive I have been this whole time about ZOS coming up with a way to solve this issue in a way that would make everyone happy, like using the new Skill Style system. What is so disheartening to me now is how long this has been an issue and how although it’s been passed on several times, we’re not getting any feedback whatsoever or even an acknowledgment that there is an issue from the ones that it has been passed on to.

@ZOS_Kevin as always has been great doing what he can. Just a simple “We’ve heard your concerns and we aren’t ignoring them and we are actively working on a possible solution but it’s going to take awhile longer and we don’t have an ETA” would be better than this dead silence we have now (again, I don’t mean from @ZOS_Kevin because I believe he’s told us everything he can).

I know there’s probably a lot more important things they are working on that affect more players than just Redblades, but just a simple acknowledgment that this is somewhere on the list would be wonderful.

JobooAGS · March 3

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xylena_lazarow wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

They have looked. Kevin has even passed on their decision. Multiple times.

Customers are still unhappy, and they seem quite willing to persist.

Some customers are unhappy. Other customers are happy with the glow.

"some" is a gross understatement tbh

xylena_lazarow · March 3

LatentBuzzard wrote: »

Other customers are happy with the glow.

Zero people want to take that away. If only computers could be programmed to turn things on or off.

DenverRalphy · March 3

Elvenheart wrote: »

@ZOS_Kevin as always has been great doing what he can. Just a simple “We’ve heard your concerns and we aren’t ignoring them and we are actively working on a possible solution but it’s going to take awhile longer and we don’t have an ETA” would be better than this dead silence we have now (again, I don’t mean from @ZOS_Kevin because I believe he’s told us everything he can).

But he has done that already. Albeit he instead said that they've heard you, they're aware, and there are no plans to change it as it's working as intended.

At this point, supporters of this thread are just asking the same question over and over again expecting a different answer. Hence his last response that he's happy to pass it along to the dev team and a vague promise to return when there's new information to pass on. I'm relatively confident that at this point, Kevin's chin falls to his chest every time his name is flagged in this thread.

NotaDaedraWorshipper · March 4

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xylena_lazarow wrote: »

DenverRalphy wrote: »

They have looked. Kevin has even passed on their decision. Multiple times.

Customers are still unhappy, and they seem quite willing to persist.

Some customers are unhappy. Other customers are happy with the glow.

More like the majority are unhappy while some are not. So what are those some people's problem with giving people an option to make this an on or off thing? It really shouldn't be some default on thing.

Morvan · March 4

Just because some people like the glow it shouldn't invalidate our complaints here, as we already suggested multiple times, there are several ways they could provide a solution that would satisfy both sides of the coin, skill styles being one of them.

xylena_lazarow · March 4

DenverRalphy wrote: »

Albeit he instead said that they've heard you, they're aware, and there are no plans to change it as it's working as intended.

Every time they say no, we're going to give the feedback that they are losing more money and engagement from us, because we're no longer interested in playing our Nightblades or buying cosmetics for them (which means some players are leaving entirely). I'm certain that trend would reverse if they allowed players to opt out of the permanent glow.

StihlReign · March 4

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StihlReign wrote: »

Been discussed and noted in this thread - This is not a bug, it's working as intended and ZOS has a policy to never change art once released (also posted in this thread).

They have that policy until they don't.

As an example the Shadow Rider Senche Mount did not release with the eyes glowing/glaring through the back of the skull, then after a patch suddenly they did and they have been as such since.

The only policy is that they do as they see fit because they can, the rest is all spin.

This may provide some insight - https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/654653/did-you-know-eso-has-a-never-change-policy/p1

CBixby · March 4

it ruins my role play. i really dont like it

joseayalac · March 5

LatentBuzzard wrote: »

Some customers are unhappy. Other customers are happy with the glow.

This thread is not about if you like or dislike the glow. It's about how it was badly and inappropriately implemented, the permaglow.

The glow doesn't behave as it should, it ruins many outfit styles, it messes with a ton of interfaces in the game, etc. I don't need to list them here, the thread is full of examples.

I actually like the glow, but understand that the PERMAglow is a very poor implementation.

AtriaKhorist · March 12

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Happy New Year indeed, everyone!

17 months by now. Time flies.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom
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Hey @Kyip! Just wanted let you know we see this question, and we're very aware of the thread. When the feedback about the Grim Focus change first surfaced, we did raise it with the dev team. In the thread, Kevin did pass along the info that we got from the dev team, that this change was intended and not a bug. That said, we've raised it again to see what's possible. Reading back through our responses in the original thread, there may also be an opportunity to elaborate on why we made the change - we're checking with dev on that. (As an aside, many of us are about to be out for Thanksgiving holiday break, so any additional info we can share will likely be the week of Dec. 2.)

While I'll maintain that the reasoning alone will be wholly insufficient as said earlier, December 2 was a month ago. Any update?

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Another 2 months later. Any update?

ElvenOverlord · March 13

Just here to give the obligatory *** permaglow comment. That’s all.

arkelonx · March 18

I'm just going to add my name to the list of people who hate the Permaglow. I really wish they would make it where when you stow the weapon the glow would disappear. Would be nice if they actually made some kind of compromise.

Alp · March 18

I tried using grim focus again because it's such a good ability. but man does it not look good unless you are using a weapon that goes on your back with one of the two motifs in the game that has a backpack that hides weapons.. it's not a great solution.

joseayalac · March 18

Hopefully the team will take a look soon! I keep praying.

amig186 · March 19

JerBearESO wrote: »

Would be nice if the glow appeared only when the arrow was ready. Nice to have indication, and this would go both ways for PvP

ZOS, please, please, please listen to this man.

Alp · March 19

amig186 wrote: »

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JerBearESO wrote: »

Would be nice if the glow appeared only when the arrow was ready. Nice to have indication, and this would go both ways for PvP

ZOS, please, please, please listen to this man.

Feels like how it should work yeah.. would make sense.

oussebon · March 20

Just going to add my name to this too. Recently started playing a Nightblade and the perma red glow is awful.

The fact that only the player character can see it doesn't suggest there's any real need for it to be there; it's not signalling anything to teammates, and the fact it's permanent doesn't suggest it's signalling anything to the player either.

I don't much care what solution is implemented. Glow only at 5 stacks. Add an invisible skill style (preferably not monetised...). Remove it and give people who want the glow another way to have it. Some kind of toggle. Anything to give an option to make it go away, please.

This game goes a long way on customising outfits, costumes etc and the red glow really gets in the way of that.

Icy_Waffles · March 20

I love the change. Never go back ZOS!

oussebon · March 20

Icy_Waffles wrote: »

I love the change. Never go back ZOS!

Would it not be okay for ZOS to provide an option for those of us who feel very strongly that it ruins our character's aesthetic to make it go away for just us?

Other than just not using the skill at all, of course.

Elvenheart · March 20

It’s heartening to see new people in this thread that are experiencing the perma part of the glow for the first time come out and share their feelings about it. It’s also nice to see that most people who are asking for it to be removed are asking for a solution that would keep it in place for the people who like it, but hide it for those of us that don’t. Thank you. 🙏

Apollosipod · March 21

There's really no reason to not make this a toggle or have the red glow begin when the stacks can be used for the attack. Forcing this glowing change on players who wouldn't like it is directly opposed to the "play how you want" slogan. It's that until someone decided that ALL players must love flow effects when we don't. I don't even want it taken from players that do like it, but to force these changes and take away Animations that people like is just superimposing the desires of devs that like the change over what players want. Make it a toggle or make it glow when the skill can be fired. That's a simple fix. But stop making these changes to abilities that have been around for years because the way one player likes to envision their character somehow supercedes the way other players want to play.

Thysbe · March 21

Apollosipod wrote: »

Forcing this glowing change on players who wouldn't like it is directly opposed to the "play how you want" slogan..

Just imagine there would be something in the game that would allow us to style our skills the way we want.... wait...

Wereswan · March 21

Just stopping by to add my vote to the "really hate the permaglow and would like some option to turn it off" tally.

BahometZ · March 21

I logged on to check out the new Roksa the Warped arms pack, but absent-mindedly logged on to one of four nightblades i have and, well, couldn't really tell how it looked for some reason. Guess I'm not buying it.