Update on Proc Set Plan in Cyrodiil

Jaraal

Ringod123 wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just a reminder that we will be re-enabling all item set bonuses in Cyrodiil with the launch of Update 30 next week on PC and on consoles June 8.

Any reason why all efforts to improve performance have stalled for 3 months so far?

Well, she did say there was a slight decrease in performance when proc sets were disabled. So, theoretically, performance should slightly improve when they are re-enabled, right?

However, what they are actually doing is introducing even more calculations, with the new dynamic nature of the way proc damage is calculated. Instead of a flat value that is modified once by character penetration and CP, now your proc sets will be scaling multiple times during a single fight. Is that set based on weapon damage? Ok, let's fight! Boom, weapon damage glyph just procced, recalculate damage. Did that Increase Weapon Power potion wear off? Recalculate. DK in your group just cast Igneous Weapons? Recalculate. Drop that Flawless Dawnbreaker on 'em.... recalculate. Did you just bar swap to or from a set with a weapon damage bonus? Recalculate. Bar swap Fighters Guild skills (Slayer passive) off and on? Recalculate. Just get bashed by a tank wearing Vykosa? Recalculate. Your Kvatch Gladiator set just procced? Another adjustment. Did that NB just hit you with Power Extraction? Yep... recalculate.

If you are expecting any sort of performance improvement in Cyrodiil after Update 30 drops, I got some bad news....

Valdek

Would the calculations be fine if they moved some of them back client side like before and instead invested in a way to prevent client side calculations from being hacked or cheated?

VaranisArano

Ringod123 wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Just a reminder that we will be re-enabling all item set bonuses in Cyrodiil with the launch of Update 30 next week on PC and on consoles June 8.

Any reason why all efforts to improve performance have stalled for 3 months so far?

I got the impression that testing the obvious variables that ZOS is willing to change really didn't amount to much, so I'd guess it's back to the drawing board for what to try next.

Valdek

Maybe they could create one cyro server where more calculations are done client side when your character loads in to that server. They could run it in parallel with the other servers and monitor it for the effects on player popularity, frequency of issues with player cheating etc, and most importantly, impact on server performance.

eternalshockcable

This is not working in cyrodiil:

• Tanking focused proc-based events will either scale with your Max Health, and in some rare cases, will use the higher of your Physical or Spell Resistance.
• You must have 43,968 Max Health or 30,680 Physical or Spell Resistance to reach the original value of many sets.

I'm wearing harbinger and ebon , the proc of harbinger will not go over 2394.

I can't find where this set was nerfed but this clearly screws over any hp tank.
Now with the current changes HP tanking is still non-viable in cyrodiil.

Now if they are going off your physical and spell resistances this is not HP tanking.
This mechanic needs to change back to just based off max health.

Jaraal

eternalshockcable wrote: »

I can't find where this set was nerfed

IIRC the damage of Thews was nerfed from 7% to 5.14%.

eternalshockcable

Jaraal wrote: »

eternalshockcable wrote: »

I can't find where this set was nerfed

IIRC the damage of Thews was nerfed from 7% to 5.14%.

yuck.

can you link me where i can find this my dude?
alas tanking is still not viable.
We can't "really" play our way if 2 roles of dps or healer, are the only way to play in Cyrodiil

Jaraal

eternalshockcable wrote: »

can you link me where i can find this my dude?

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7271468/#Comment_7271468

LightYagami

ZOS, your dear friend LAG is back with proc sets in Cyrodiil.

Please fix it.

Greasytengu

the lag is exactly the same

Starshadw

Please, for the love of Pete, at least take health recovery out of Battle Spirit. It's exacerbated the pain of the return of proc sets.

ResidentContrarian

Starshadw wrote: »

Please, for the love of Pete, at least take health recovery out of Battle Spirit. It's exacerbated the pain of the return of proc sets.

Disagree with it. Health recovery should be treated like all other healing.

You want that health recovery? Build for it.

Can't stand DoTs being stacked on you? Get purge, get % reduction, get a purging proc set, get purge CP star, etc. - all options that exist and were made broken OP because health recovery went unchecked for three years after Summerset.

Zama666

But ....but ...but ...but....my Twice Born Star is only Once Born Star....

Tigor

Update 31 will be interesting

Alucardo

Tigor wrote: »

Update 31 will be interesting

No it won't

Tigor

Alucardo wrote: »

Tigor wrote: »

Update 31 will be interesting

No it won't

More is know about it now. But I understand they do not need to hire you, since you will do it for free.

Tommy_The_Gun

Something tells me that a lot of people will migrate to no-cp PvP just so they would not have to deal with proc set bs. I might be wrong, but new sets looks pretty ridiculous... Ignoring their own scaling standards ZOS established for proc sets.

Tigor

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Something tells me that a lot of people will migrate to no-cp PvP just so they would not have to deal with proc set bs. I might be wrong, but new sets looks pretty ridiculous... Ignoring their own scaling standards ZOS established for proc sets.

Give it some time. Changes are always feeling as unwanted. But afterwards it usually works out.

Jaraal

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Something tells me that a lot of people will migrate to no-cp PvP just so they would not have to deal with proc set bs. I might be wrong, but new sets looks pretty ridiculous... Ignoring their own scaling standards ZOS established for proc sets.

I'll always play on the main faction locked campaign, regardless of rulesets. But it's good that ZOS is creating a minor league campaign for those who can't cope with the full game armory available.

Gilvoth

im loving everything about the new patch so far.
zenimax / microsoft made a Good Patch,
im referring to PTS Patch v7.1.0
Update 31

NotTaylorSwift

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Something tells me that a lot of people will migrate to no-cp PvP just so they would not have to deal with proc set bs. I might be wrong, but new sets looks pretty ridiculous... Ignoring their own scaling standards ZOS established for proc sets.

Probably wrong, people will move to cp campaigns… hopefully blackreach. That would be best case scenario in all of this mess imo…

MrMazurski

There are as much as people, but everyone knows better. We'll see how it will be after entering.

Sindrik8x

So, just cause I'm finding it hard to figure out, are mythics and monster sets not going to be in non-cp Ravenwatch? Trying to determine what to farm for my gankblade and leaning heavily towards Leviathan, Spriggans. Just not sure what to flesh it together with if those are not viable.

vesselwiththepestle

@ZOS_GinaBruno

I was hoping for a consolidated list of non-proc sets in the live patch noves. However, they did it again. Where the new no proc mechanic is explained, you've got the first list of the sets from the tests, then another list of sets which are added. Then you can scroll way down to "Itemization and item sets" and find yet another list with sets like Rattlecage or Mighty Chudan which are supposed in no proc campaigns according to the patch notes. Why aren't those sets mentioned in the second list way up in the patch notes?

It states "Updated several item sets to be more performant on the server. The following item sets can now be used in campaigns that do not allow item set procs:"

Could you please provide one (1) final, definitive list of item sets which will work in the no proc campaigns and maybe even pin it in the forums, as it will be really low QoL to have to search for these patch notes in a year or so, when a new player wants to know which sets work in Ravenwatch?

Mellirus

I agree with @vesselwiththepestle - we need a clearly defined list of sets which are working in the non-proc campaign, and this post needs to be pinned at the top somewhere. I'm having a hard time figuring out which sets I need to switch now after the patch as I'm playing in Ravenwatch non-proc no-CP.

Jameson18

Mellirus wrote: »

I agree with @vesselwiththepestle - we need a clearly defined list of sets which are working in the non-proc campaign, and this post needs to be pinned at the top somewhere. I'm having a hard time figuring out which sets I need to switch now after the patch as I'm playing in Ravenwatch non-proc no-CP.

This.

Beardimus

Jameson18 wrote: »

Mellirus wrote: »

I agree with @vesselwiththepestle - we need a clearly defined list of sets which are working in the non-proc campaign, and this post needs to be pinned at the top somewhere. I'm having a hard time figuring out which sets I need to switch now after the patch as I'm playing in Ravenwatch non-proc no-CP.

This.

It's in the Patch Notes no?

Or that list not complete?

Jameson18

Beardimus wrote: »

Jameson18 wrote: »

Mellirus wrote: »

I agree with @vesselwiththepestle - we need a clearly defined list of sets which are working in the non-proc campaign, and this post needs to be pinned at the top somewhere. I'm having a hard time figuring out which sets I need to switch now after the patch as I'm playing in Ravenwatch non-proc no-CP.

This.

It's in the Patch Notes no?

Or that list not complete?

There's a whole lot of sets that work that are not listed. There's a couple of other threads on it with people reporting what works and doesn't.

Sindrik8x

To be 100% honest, with all the requests people have made in numerous threads, it's still falling on deaf ears. There is no way that they have overlooked every single post about this. I'd be surprised if they even know what worked and didn't. Why the heck can't we just have a damn sticky? Why the hesitancy to add the working monster sets and mythics to the list? You have some arena weapons on there. How hard would it be???

I'm in Ravenwatch and would love to know which mythics I could wear (if any).

Jameson18

Sindrik8x wrote: »

To be 100% honest, with all the requests people have made in numerous threads, it's still falling on deaf ears. There is no way that they have overlooked every single post about this. I'd be surprised if they even know what worked and didn't. Why the heck can't we just have a damn sticky? Why the hesitancy to add the working monster sets and mythics to the list? You have some arena weapons on there. How hard would it be???

I'm in Ravenwatch and would love to know which mythics I could wear (if any).

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