Update on Cyrodiil Performance & Upcoming AOE Tests

BaiterOfZergs

oMrRust wrote: »

This would kill the game, I believe many people would not be interested in doing content anymore.
I'd rather suffer with lag.. I only ever suffer lag in PVP, not PVE.

My suggestions
Lower the population per alliance for Cyrodiil, add maybe 2 more 30 day campaigns to account for the minimizing population for Cyrodiil.

What would lowering the population cap do when there was more people in Cyrodiil before but the performance was better? Not only that it was 3-4 campaigns filled with player’s and a higher population cap.

DigitalHype

Things I would love to know. But likely never will.

1. How much client-side compute had to be moved to server in order to support Stadia deal?

2. How much financial incentive did Google provide aside from the increased Crown sales.

3. Was it worth it, ZoS?

Demonhunter

Even having 12 man groups in cyro doesn't make sense simply because the groups will join together and run side by side making it 24 or 48?

technohic

I really don't think it's the number of people in a group. It's the number of people that can cross heal, purge, and buff.

Bergzorn

relentless_turnip wrote: »

Badgers cause lag! Could a developer confirm this please?

They are, and they won't.

Pinja

Once upon a time, one person could stack multiple AOE ground heals and the game still ran smoother.

Tigor

Statement:
Remove the ball group play style asap, to have a qualitivally better pvp game, and the implementation should be flawlessly.

oMrRust

BaiterOfZergs wrote: »

oMrRust wrote: »

This would kill the game, I believe many people would not be interested in doing content anymore.
I'd rather suffer with lag.. I only ever suffer lag in PVP, not PVE.

My suggestions
Lower the population per alliance for Cyrodiil, add maybe 2 more 30 day campaigns to account for the minimizing population for Cyrodiil.

What would lowering the population cap do when there was more people in Cyrodiil before but the performance was better? Not only that it was 3-4 campaigns filled with player’s and a higher population cap.

They assume it's all the player spamming abilities at once.. if they lower the population cap (not even sure what it is currently..) It might make performance for PvP better since less people at cap during prime times.. It'd also make other campaigns more active.

People I asked in game though would rather suffer with the lag than have these changes..I'd rather have lag too.

Demonhunter

oMrRust wrote: »

BaiterOfZergs wrote: »

oMrRust wrote: »

This would kill the game, I believe many people would not be interested in doing content anymore.
I'd rather suffer with lag.. I only ever suffer lag in PVP, not PVE.

My suggestions
Lower the population per alliance for Cyrodiil, add maybe 2 more 30 day campaigns to account for the minimizing population for Cyrodiil.

What would lowering the population cap do when there was more people in Cyrodiil before but the performance was better? Not only that it was 3-4 campaigns filled with player’s and a higher population cap.

They assume it's all the player spamming abilities at once.. if they lower the population cap (not even sure what it is currently..) It might make performance for PvP better since less people at cap during prime times.. It'd also make other campaigns more active.

People I asked in game though would rather suffer with the lag than have these changes..I'd rather have lag too.

LMFAO, you asked people they would rather have lag are the minority, most people are fed up with lag and they want serious overhaul of game optimization whether it's AOE or better servers. Seriously, i was there too in Cyrodill when maybe 3-4 people said they would rather play through lag. There's 100 000's of players online and did you ask every single one of them? People saying they would rather play through lag have no clue what's going on and their just raging without having good arguments to defend their point of view. Personally it's kind of immature.

silky_soft

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi everyone,

Originally, we had planned to begin these tests next Monday to coincide with Update 27’s PC launch. We will now instead be starting the tests in Cyrodiil on Tuesday, September 8. We’ll post a full outline of all the planned tests and their start/end dates in the next couple weeks. In general, you can expect each test to last approximately one week.

It’s also worth noting that during our initial testing on the PTS (which again, was just to ensure everything was functioning properly) we decided to add a couple additional tests involving groups. We’ll include the details of these tests in the aforementioned forum post that will be published around the beginning of September.

Can we get something as simple as a daily cyro server restarts till then?

silky_soft

silky_soft wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi everyone,

Originally, we had planned to begin these tests next Monday to coincide with Update 27’s PC launch. We will now instead be starting the tests in Cyrodiil on Tuesday, September 8. We’ll post a full outline of all the planned tests and their start/end dates in the next couple weeks. In general, you can expect each test to last approximately one week.

It’s also worth noting that during our initial testing on the PTS (which again, was just to ensure everything was functioning properly) we decided to add a couple additional tests involving groups. We’ll include the details of these tests in the aforementioned forum post that will be published around the beginning of September.

Can we get something as simple as a daily cyro server restarts till then?

@ZOS_GinaBruno no chance at all of daily restarts for the pvp server? Surely that's the most cost effective solution.

Elsonso

silky_soft wrote: »

silky_soft wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi everyone,

Originally, we had planned to begin these tests next Monday to coincide with Update 27’s PC launch. We will now instead be starting the tests in Cyrodiil on Tuesday, September 8. We’ll post a full outline of all the planned tests and their start/end dates in the next couple weeks. In general, you can expect each test to last approximately one week.

It’s also worth noting that during our initial testing on the PTS (which again, was just to ensure everything was functioning properly) we decided to add a couple additional tests involving groups. We’ll include the details of these tests in the aforementioned forum post that will be published around the beginning of September.

Can we get something as simple as a daily cyro server restarts till then?

ZOS_GinaBruno no chance at all of daily restarts for the pvp server? Surely that's the most cost effective solution.

Just out of curiosity, what makes you think that this would do anything more than kicking everyone out of Cyrodiil for a while?

technohic

An I the only one who's seen a radiating regeneration timer pop up a couple times in Cyrodiil tonight? Also seemed to be at a time when things were working. Could have just been an add on glitch I suppose

Taco_Tuesday

I believe this idea is a a big mistake.

silky_soft

Elsonso wrote: »

silky_soft wrote: »

silky_soft wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hi everyone,

Originally, we had planned to begin these tests next Monday to coincide with Update 27’s PC launch. We will now instead be starting the tests in Cyrodiil on Tuesday, September 8. We’ll post a full outline of all the planned tests and their start/end dates in the next couple weeks. In general, you can expect each test to last approximately one week.

It’s also worth noting that during our initial testing on the PTS (which again, was just to ensure everything was functioning properly) we decided to add a couple additional tests involving groups. We’ll include the details of these tests in the aforementioned forum post that will be published around the beginning of September.

Can we get something as simple as a daily cyro server restarts till then?

ZOS_GinaBruno no chance at all of daily restarts for the pvp server? Surely that's the most cost effective solution.

Just out of curiosity, what makes you think that this would do anything more than kicking everyone out of Cyrodiil for a while?

I'm just a poor Aussie so my ping is always fantastic. But for the day after reset it's usually stable around 240 to 270. For the rest of the time till reset again it's 300 to 330 till the zergs come on.

LadyLethalla

carlos424 wrote: »

ItsJustHashtag wrote: »

Athan1 wrote: »

Well I guess the way they explain it, it makes sense. I just hope these changes are applied only to pvp though because pve doesn't have such issues.

This is false. Get into a very good trial guild and you see same issues.

Not nearly on the same level as cyrodil though. Sure, you sometimes you have some desync or barswap issues, a bit of lag, etc. But I have never run into the same “slideshow” issues in a trial that I’ve seen in cyrodil. Not even close. It’s probably just a product of fewer people in a given area. If you had 30-person trials, it would probably get rough.

The last time I ran a vet trial - which would be a good 3 years ago, I believe - I would constantly get disconnected. When I wasn't getting disconnected, I was getting a slideshow of lightning effects, both from the enemies and my group. No doubt that's improved since then; I'm no longer in a guild that does any kind of trial and I'm most definitely NOT going to PUG it.

Cyrodiil has improved for me, I have to say. I have been in past MYM where I got killed well before I even saw the player show up on screen. I have been disconnected riding to Nikel, before I saw any other player even in my own faction. I would get constantly disconnected any time more than say 20 people showed up at a keep. It put me off PVP for more than a year, because where's the fun in continually having to relog? Add that to the additional lag I get from being half a world away from the server, and... you get the idea.
Now, I get disconnected only occasionally. MYM was great, this year. The only killer for me is the Constant. *******. Load. Screens. Like I'm talking getting hit with 8 - no exaggeration - while trying to ride - not transit - to a home keep that was under attack. In the middle of nowhere, all alone (the rest of my group was already there, fighting), every time I moved, BAM, another one. After the battle was done, without me even getting there, I got a few more.
From my POV, whatever they can do to lessen the lag and the damn load screens, I will be happy.

Or... I think I will be happy.

LadyLethalla

robs wrote: »

Sorry about my bad english

Also there are tons of players in Alik'r and there is nearly no lag and those people are spamming aoe's like there is no tomorrow.

I have avoided Alik'r dolmens for 2-3 years because I used to get disconnected going anywhere near them, let alone trying to complete them with the multitude of sheep.

Firstmep

Pinja wrote: »

Once upon a time, one person could stack multiple AOE ground heals and the game still ran smoother.

The game has evolved a 100 times over since, they probably don't know how to fix it on the technical side, or better yet, don't want to waste manpower for it.
Hence they leave it to the balance team to "fix" the lag.
Never mind that the game has a myraid of different issues outside of cyrodiil too, desyncs, bugs etc.

abakzn

This testing will break the game experience for me, in fact the worsening erratic load screen interruptions has already caused me to play a lot less campaigns lately and playing completely different game franchises for now.

abakzn

My penny's worth on the problems is that developers review the code and see if more processing tasks can be offloaded to the player clients.

Firstmep

abakzn wrote: »

My penny's worth on the problems is that developers review the code and see if more processing tasks can be offloaded to the player clients.

They have been doing to exact opposite actually and it's been causing issues.

Alienoutlaw

anything that kills the ball groups gets my vote

WARchief10K

LadyLethalla wrote: »

robs wrote: »

Sorry about my bad english

Also there are tons of players in Alik'r and there is nearly no lag and those people are spamming aoe's like there is no tomorrow.

I have avoided Alik'r dolmens for 2-3 years because I used to get disconnected going anywhere near them, let alone trying to complete them with the multitude of sheep.

I've literally never had lag at a Alik'r dolmen, when things ever became "slow" it just made other players the solid black character outline.

This is why I think these test aren't testing the real issue at all.

We should be testing the removal of proc sets and/or the animations and the fact that shields and heals all target entire factions instead of groups or yourself....

karekiz

Pinja wrote: »

Once upon a time, one person could stack multiple AOE ground heals and the game still ran smoother.

DoN'T wOrRy GuYs HeAlInG sPrInGs ChAnGe WiLl FiX eVeRyThInG.

Curious_Death

i think that templars will 1st time in history ... needs to learn how to do combos instead of JABJABJAB>light>JABJABJAB>SWEEP>jab...

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Is the plan to have the IC Event and AoE tests running concurrently?

Riggsy

ZOS, what happened to the hundred-million-plus dollar settlement received from Facebook? Why can't that money go into upgrading the servers?

As for reducing group size, the problem with making groups smaller is the lack of competent PVP leaders. It's noticeable.

Elsonso

Riggsy wrote: »

ZOS, what happened to the hundred-million-plus dollar settlement received from Facebook? Why can't that money go into upgrading the servers?

Why would you think that a VR lawsuit settlement would go to a game that does not have VR. If anything, that money should be invested in the titles that support VR.

TineaCruris

"..... Once we launch Update 27 for PC on August 24, we will announce when one of the tests are beginning through an in-game announcement and will have a forum thread detailing which test is currently being performed. ....."

I haven't seen any in game announcements or communication about the tests, and things are clearly being changed.

What is going on?

Elsonso

TineaCruris wrote: »

"..... Once we launch Update 27 for PC on August 24, we will announce when one of the tests are beginning through an in-game announcement and will have a forum thread detailing which test is currently being performed. ....."

I haven't seen any in game announcements or communication about the tests, and things are clearly being changed.

What is going on?

I expect that In-game announcements will happen on the day that the tests are happening so that you know that they are happening on that day.