Shield Breaker exploiters

Malamar1229

White wabbit wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

omg shieldbreaker build going to post this one its too much fun

Cathexis wrote: »

omg shieldbreaker build going to post this one its too much fun

Shield breaker and ravage magicka I'm getting hate mail and tbagged I'm loving it

moreso because you hide inside your zerg.

Malamar1229

ExcaliburESO wrote: »

Maybe it will teach u not to spam shield every 4 seconds!

so wheres the block breaker set? You realize a mag sorc without shields is a crouton right? because light armor passives...

Cathexis

Malamar1229 wrote: »

ExcaliburESO wrote: »

Maybe it will teach u not to spam shield every 4 seconds!

so wheres the block breaker set? You realize a mag sorc without shields is a crouton right? because light armor passives...

Block heal tanks expect you to use poisons.

They don't have to use poisons though to kill non tanks, /sarcasm because balance.

White wabbit

They can always streak of

IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »

White wabbit wrote: »

Cathexis wrote: »

omg shieldbreaker build going to post this one its too much fun

Cathexis wrote: »

omg shieldbreaker build going to post this one its too much fun

Shield breaker and ravage magicka I'm getting hate mail and tbagged I'm loving it

I don't think anyone cares...

The sorcs that message me and tbagg me obliviously care

BohnT

This is really one of those threads where you can see why sorcs got overbuffed.
They just start crying about anything that reduces their effectiveness.
When you die to 2k hits which can hit you only every 1 seconds, when lag / range doesn't negate light attack weaving, you really have to do something about your playstyle.

If you have 20k health in pvp a player needs 10 consecutive light attacks to kill the sorc.
The sorc has life regen ~ 700 every 2 sec
Gets surge heals ~ 1k every sec
Can cast healing ward ~ back at full health after 5 sec

2075x = 20000+1350x
725x = 20000
X= 27,59 sec

You need to land a light attack every second for 28 seconds to kill a sorc with shieldbreaker. Any good sorc will laugh at you and be nuke you in 3.5 sec once their curse explodes.

This set is so useless that even a + 150% buff wouldn't make it viable so better learn to adapt

FearlessOne_2014

Waffennacht wrote: »

Surge's heal is reduced by battlespirit.

Shield breaker is not suppose to proc per tick

Streak is bugged.

You can tell most posters in this thread have PTSD from those naughty magicka builds that touched them in their naughty parts.

ROFL out of my chair. You know they do. And it's sooooo damn funny.

Nerdman9

I always find it funny how sorcs find that SB is a non skill set. But find it so skillful to just click their shield button non stop thinking it'll keep them alive no matter what. In this magicka patch where almost everyone is shield spamming, I'll definitely keep my SB.

Minalan

BohnT wrote: »

This is really one of those threads where you can see why sorcs got overbuffed.
They just start crying about anything that reduces their effectiveness.
When you die to 2k hits which can hit you only every 1 seconds, when lag / range doesn't negate light attack weaving, you really have to do something about your playstyle.

If you have 20k health in pvp a player needs 10 consecutive light attacks to kill the sorc.
The sorc has life regen ~ 700 every 2 sec
Gets surge heals ~ 1k every sec
Can cast healing ward ~ back at full health after 5 sec

2075x = 20000+1350x
725x = 20000
X= 27,59 sec

You need to land a light attack every second for 28 seconds to kill a sorc with shieldbreaker. Any good sorc will laugh at you and be nuke you in 3.5 sec once their curse explodes.

This set is so useless that even a + 150% buff wouldn't make it viable so better learn to adapt

This is now a nerf sorc thread!

Let the angry potatoes begin with their irrational sorc hate instead of learning to play the game!

For the record, I've no problem with the set. You sacrifice so many good slots for maybe 2K DPS.

Juhasow

Nerdman9 wrote: »

I always find it funny how sorcs find that SB is a non skill set. But find it so skillful to just click their shield button non stop thinking it'll keep them alive no matter what. In this magicka patch where almost everyone is shield spamming, I'll definitely keep my SB.

Mostly agree here. Sometimes Shieldbreaker is the only way to kill pirate skeleton wearing sorc that have shield 100% of a time. If many of those magsorc wearing a set that is mostly used by them to make their defensive brainlesly OP they shouldnt cry that people looking for ways to bypass it.

Minalan

Juhasow wrote: »

Nerdman9 wrote: »

I always find it funny how sorcs find that SB is a non skill set. But find it so skillful to just click their shield button non stop thinking it'll keep them alive no matter what. In this magicka patch where almost everyone is shield spamming, I'll definitely keep my SB.

Mostly agree here. Sometimes Shieldbreaker is the only way to kill pirate skeleton wearing sorc that have shield 100% of a time. If many of those magsorc wearing a set that is mostly used by them to make their defensive brainlesly OP they shouldnt cry that people looking for ways to bypass it.

I'm okay with a pirate skeleton nerf too.

Right after they nerf troll king with it.

Sheezabeast

FloppyTouch

More sorcs being played=more shield breaker to counter.

GG

Ashamray

Wait, has the new wave of shieldbreaker come again?
Nah, it's just stupid, this set is not brutal nowadays.

Waffennacht

Sheezabeast wrote: »

Lmfao, I dunno, but this just got me!

Minalan

Ashamray wrote: »

Wait, has the new wave of shieldbreaker come again?
Nah, it's just stupid, this set is not brutal nowadays.

Yep, unless you get three or four people trolling you with it.

But then, if it's a 3v1 or 4v1 they would kill you twice as fast with just dizzy swing spam.

kadar

Malamar1229 wrote: »

ExcaliburESO wrote: »

Maybe it will teach u not to spam shield every 4 seconds!

so wheres the block breaker set?

Every NB and mDK is the block breaker set.

Fasalla's Guile (and that other one) + countless abilities are the heal breaker set.

Shield Breaker is the...ya.

Hurika

New weapon trait that allows 10% of your damage to bypass shields.

Sharee

A couple of comments.

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

And it is doing full tooltip damage, ignoring battle level.

The purpose of battle spirit is to tone down PvE abilities (balanced for trial bosses etc.) from being too powerful in a PvP environment (players do not have trial-boss like HP).

Shield breaker, however, is not a PvE ability. It only works against enemy players. Thus, there is no need to reduce it's PvE damage down (since there is none) - you simply directly set the damage to the desired level meant for PvP environment, making battlespirit unnecessary.

josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »

Not to mention that Shield Breaker is no longer even justified, because a CP passive was added specifically to counter damage shields.

There however also is a CP passive added specifically to boost shields, so that argument doesn't work.

Master_Kas

Sorcs crying about shieldbreaker but are completly fine with uncloakable, unblockable and undodgeable curses.

And with uncloakable I'm talking about the part where it breaks your cloak on cast, not the explosion x)

Lightningstaff + shieldbreaker + mag poisons feels so good vs some FOTM skeleton sorcs. Specially in combination with cripple, fear and teleport shade on my magblade.

Not talking about the good sorcs who always mained the class.

Waffennacht

Master_Kas wrote: »

Sorcs crying about shieldbreaker but are completly fine with uncloakable, unblockable and undodgeable curses.

And with uncloakable I'm talking about the part where it breaks your cloak on cast, not the explosion x)

Lightningstaff + shieldbreaker + mag poisons feels so good vs some FOTM skeleton sorcs. Specially in combination with cripple, fear and teleport shade on my magblade.

Not talking about the good sorcs who always mained the class.

I'm curious as to how someone casts Curse on a cloaked NB? Is there some sort of bug?

Look, the arguments for or against shield breaker existing happened back when it dropped, it's a moot point. However I do not believe it's suppose to deal the damage per tick of a heavy attack staff attack. It's not functioning as I believe it should.

Derra

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

SB is justice in times of unblockable, undodgable curse & fury explosions whereever you go. A multitude of "dodge-breakers", "block-breakers" and "heal-breakers" is already in the game, most of them don`t even require you to waste a 5p slot.

Get real.

Exactly the statement and line of thinking that got the game where it is today. Wrobel would be proud.

On topic: Since dmg increasing sets for heavyattacks are no longer supposed to increase every tick of channeldmg - we can most likely assume the same to be true for shieldbreaker working on every channeltick.
It´s most likely not supposed to work in that way.
It should be adressed.

Cêltic421

Minalan wrote: »

If you find an SB spammer, streak off and slot mutagen. You'll be fine.

Mutagen and surge should outheal the cheese. Kill the SB spammer easy because at the end of the day, he's wearing a *** set that you've countered by running one skill.

Teabag until he decides to run something else. He will.

There ya go a fix.

DHale

I would like to now complain about anything that could kill me including light attacks and heavy attacks that do 2150 damage but only if I keep casting my shield. By George I think he has got it.i will kill you now with 10 light attacks in a row.

Derra

DHale wrote: »

I would like to now complain about anything that could kill me including light attacks and heavy attacks that do 2150 damage but only if I keep casting my shield. By George I think he has got it.i will kill you now with 10 light attacks in a row.

It´s essentially the same thing as poisons, multicurse, potl stacking, etc pp.

It makes outnumbered situations harder (impossible) to win with the opposition utilizing nobrain 1 buttonpress hardcounter mechanics.

Is it a problem in a 1v1? Most likely not except for 1 exception i can think of.
Is it counterable 2 or 3v1? No you will die because can´t counter it.

It´s the same as getting cursed by three sorcs and dying to unavoidable 3x curse + fury explosion. No counterplay is bad and creates unfun miserable gameplay.

Master_Kas

Waffennacht wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Sorcs crying about shieldbreaker but are completly fine with uncloakable, unblockable and undodgeable curses.

And with uncloakable I'm talking about the part where it breaks your cloak on cast, not the explosion x)

Lightningstaff + shieldbreaker + mag poisons feels so good vs some FOTM skeleton sorcs. Specially in combination with cripple, fear and teleport shade on my magblade.

Not talking about the good sorcs who always mained the class.

I'm curious as to how someone casts Curse on a cloaked NB? Is there some sort of bug?

Look, the arguments for or against shield breaker existing happened back when it dropped, it's a moot point. However I do not believe it's suppose to deal the damage per tick of a heavy attack staff attack. It's not functioning as I believe it should.

Edit: It's cast like 0.5 sec before you cloak , you won't be able to cloak at times. Might be due to lag but yeah. If you are cloaked and invisible, he can't target you with it ofcourse.

Minalan

Master_Kas wrote: »

Sorcs crying about shieldbreaker but are completly fine with uncloakable, unblockable and undodgeable curses.

And with uncloakable I'm talking about the part where it breaks your cloak on cast, not the explosion x)

Lightningstaff + shieldbreaker + mag poisons feels so good vs some FOTM skeleton sorcs. Specially in combination with cripple, fear and teleport shade on my magblade.

Not talking about the good sorcs who always mained the class.

Wait wait, it breaks cloak on cast? I hope you guys reported that as a bug, because it is.

That's clearly unintended behavior, since curse does 0 damage on cast.

Meanwhile sorcs are dying because we streak and get stuck on a stump for three to four seconds unable to cast. Broken game is broken, I feel your pain.

davey1107

Come on , OP...exploit is kinda a naughty word in MMOs. It implies cheating. Someone identifying an ability and using it over and over and over isn't exploring or cheating. But sure, it can get annoying.

In my opinion, everyone in pvp is resorting to 5-10 possible builds, despite the availability of hundreds. I can guarantee you that I will never, ever, ever run into a magsorc tank in heavy armor who is geared to survive long enough for his nightblade buddies to swoop in for a kill when someone takes that bait. The next sorc I run across will be a carbon copy of the most recent popular player guides. So of course if you print your war plans online people will see that and counter it.

Minalan

davey1107 wrote: »

Come on , OP...exploit is kinda a naughty word in MMOs. It implies cheating. Someone identifying an ability and using it over and over and over isn't exploring or cheating. But sure, it can get annoying.

In my opinion, everyone in pvp is resorting to 5-10 possible builds, despite the availability of hundreds. I can guarantee you that I will never, ever, ever run into a magsorc tank in heavy armor who is geared to survive long enough for his nightblade buddies to swoop in for a kill when someone takes that bait. The next sorc I run across will be a carbon copy of the most recent popular player guides. So of course if you print your war plans online people will see that and counter it.

A mag block sorc in heavy armor is only really good as bait, and not much else. That's why nobody plays it.

Master_Kas

Minalan wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Sorcs crying about shieldbreaker but are completly fine with uncloakable, unblockable and undodgeable curses.

And with uncloakable I'm talking about the part where it breaks your cloak on cast, not the explosion x)

Lightningstaff + shieldbreaker + mag poisons feels so good vs some FOTM skeleton sorcs. Specially in combination with cripple, fear and teleport shade on my magblade.

Not talking about the good sorcs who always mained the class.

Wait wait, it breaks cloak on cast? I hope you guys reported that as a bug, because it is.

That's clearly unintended behavior, since curse does 0 damage on cast.

Meanwhile sorcs are dying because we streak and get stuck on a stump for three to four seconds unable to cast. Broken game is broken, I feel your pain.

We'll manage somehow , fixed in a few months

BohnT

Just as a reminder that set has counterplay as it is no instant death and you have many opportunities to get rid of it. It's not comparable with curse+ endless fury or destroult with lotus fan. You can simply heal through the damage even when 4 ppl try to kill you just use healing ward ( do the following and be at full health) , streak through them, LoS them or start running as light attacks won't connect as you are to fast.