No cp pvp magicka sorcerer

Jawasa

So with no cp pvp in all battelgrounds and most of my guildmates playing in azura I've made a magicka sorc for no cp pvp. Atm I'm running 5 lich on back bar and 5 bloodthorne on front bar with 2 max magicka monster helms or pirate skeleton. For mundus I use mage or the thief.

Front bar: Force puls, frag, hardned ward, endless fury, inner light and meteor or desto ult.
Back bar: Hunting curse, streak, harness magicka, healing ward, power surge and overload.
Overlaod bar: deadric mines, streak, harness magicka, boundless storm and defensive rune

This plays pretty well but because I'm new to sorcerer I'd like some tips on how to improve the build. So what are you guys running or what would you run in no cp pvp?

Thelon

Replace Bloodthorne with Vicious Death or Spinners, with VD being the cheaper, zergbusting option.

Try Atronach Mundus, purple food and one regen glyph on your jewelry (rest spell damage)

I prefer Negate over Destro Ultimate since any other magicka build can run Destro or Meteor

Bars are OK, you should consider making room for Encase. Try Power Surge on the overload bar to free up a slot.

Good luck out there!

Jawasa

@Thelon Hmm vicious death I have so I can easily try that and should be better in group. Spinner look tempting with 2 max magicka on it but they both force me to go atronach mundus or regen on jewelry is the extra spell pen worth it? Atm I can run full spell dmg and 40% crit and still never run out of magicka or stamina with the occasional tri stat or immovable pot. I forgot to say I do use tri stat food.

My biggest problem atm is surviving vs high dmg stamina builds or two or more players at the same time. With just 36k max magica and no cp even hardned ward is pretty small.

Thanks for the tip with power surge I'll try that. Encase sure would help keep some people of me. Negate I do use from time to time but solo it feels a bit meh but maybe it get better if I have encase.

Thelon

Ah ok if you're running solo I like mines better than encase, especially if Stam builds are giving you issues. Also yes the penetration from Spinners is OP, and that should be your go-to DPS set for solo play imo.

Generally, the smaller your group, the more regen-focused your build should be. Don't go all out regen necessarily, but find a balance that works right for you. I think Atronach offers so much survivability through regen that it's overall better for soloists that any other Mundus.

Another approach could be Amberplasm - combining that set with Serpent Mundus and Dark Exchange gives you crazy regen capacity. You'd need to have Amber on both bars, so you'd be looking at something like 5x Amber, 2x Pirate Skeleton, 3x Willpower with Sharpened Inferno and Defending Resto

NightbladeMechanics

Recommending Encase...ew. Have some dignity.

OP, mandate thief in your build to make up for the lower crit chance when playing without cp. Your kill potential will rise noticeably even if you give up some spell damage to do so. Build sustain beyond there. I personally like Seducer + Amber Plasm. You don't need to build much damage to deal significant damage in Azura's, but you'll need lots of sustain. Stam regen takes magicka sorc to the next level too. Try using Dark Conversion on your back bar or Overload bar. It's very powerful overall, but especially in Azura's.

Jawasa

@NightbladeMechanics Yeah i've mainly used thief mundus. Atm i get about 3,5m mag recovery with lich proc and potion. Bloodthorne also gives me about 650 magica and stamina every 5 seconds.

Amberplasma is nice but i dont know How to cimbine it with another strong set up. Havent got a vma desto in sharpned.

@Thelon sorry i missed your second post. I do have some amberplasma maybe i could go 5 amber plasma and then pirate and then stendar? Think it gives 2 magica and 1 regen.

NightbladeMechanics

Jawasa wrote: »

@NightbladeMechanics Yeah i've mainly used thief mundus. Atm i get about 3,5m mag recovery with lich proc and potion. Bloodthorne also gives me about 650 magica and stamina every 5 seconds.

Amberplasma is nice but i dont know How to cimbine it with another strong set up. Havent got a vma desto in sharpned.

Jewelry + 2 armor of Amber, staves + 4 armor of a crafted set, 1 Kena or max magicka or mag regen undaunted bonus.

If you use a spell damage weapon glyph with 1 Kena, you'll end up with significantly higher damage spikes than if you used vma staves. You just couldn't use two poisons.

Jawasa

Yeah I'll definatly try out amberplasma. Maybe with julianos and serpent mundus. Some dodge Rolling would help me avoid some burst and give me the space i need. Think i have everything i need but a amberplasma neck. Thanks guys @Thelon @NightbladeMechanics

More tips are welcome.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Just wanted to chime in, I too am looking to dust off the sorc. I think I am going to start with the classic Spinner/lych combo. What are ideal armor triats? Obv sharp on the spinner staff and my lich resto is decisive, so it is what it is. My instinct is that perhaps going all impen doesnt make a ton of sense if I plan to have a shield up most of the time.

I do want to give that Amber plasm a shot as well. I saved the jewelry, but dont think that is helpful. Back to the grind...

Thelon

Hi @Oreyn_Bearclaw

In terms of armor traits, it really comes down to personal preference. That said, here's some general guidelines to think about.

- The better you are at keeping your shields active, the less Impen you need to run.

- If you put all shields on your back bar, I'd recommend putting Impen on all small Armor pieces at a minimum

- If you run one shield on each bar, you can get away with as little as 0 Impen

I haven't had tons of time to test these in the 0 CP environment, but without Bastion and Resistant stars, I'm leaning towards more Impen than usual.

Hope this helps

Oreyn_Bearclaw

@Thelon
Thanks for the insight. I think my plan is to go infused on big and impen on small. Than perhaps slowly shift the impen to divines as I get more comfortable. I am very comfortable on Sorc in a PVE scenario, but basically just did enough PVP for prox det like a year ago.

I basically spent 6 months straight on my Sorc with VMOL, and find I miss it when i PVP on my DK. I love the DK in small man, but I find them lacking range and burst which is needed IMO for a lot of big battles this week.

GrigorijMalahevich

Sustain in no cp campaign is king. Because you run lich go for magicka recovery glyph. Experiment with one or add even second one. I just use two sets of lich jewellery on set with spell damage and one with recovery. You will not outdps some people that focus in damage, but three shield will out leave anything.

In no co campaign pet build are very strong, try necropotence with lich. If you don't want to waste two bars for pets you can equip shadowfend set, the uptime is quite high. I have 10k ward in no cp...

Jawasa

@Oreyn_Bearclaw i also come from my dk sorc just feel better when you run solo or duo especially in the Hugo zerg battels this week. You can pull people on the flanks.

@Valera Progib yeah i do have more lich rings so i can swap to some more regen if needed. I'm sceptical about pets. But maybe i could go 4 necro 2 monster max magica would give 6 max magica in total i think.

GrigorijMalahevich

@Jawasa don't want pets - fine, still try 5 necro with this monster set: http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Shadowrend+Set it is great

Jawasa

@Valera Progib i will give it a try need to farm undaunted on this char so i will get some keys.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Jawasa wrote: »

@Oreyn_Bearclaw i also come from my dk sorc just feel better when you run solo or duo especially in the Hugo zerg battels this week. You can pull people on the flanks.

@Valera Progib yeah i do have more lich rings so i can swap to some more regen if needed. I'm sceptical about pets. But maybe i could go 4 necro 2 monster max magica would give 6 max magica in total i think.

If you are going to go necro and pets, you need the 5 piece as that is what makes the set shine. This is my new favorite way to do VMA. You basically run 2 toggles, a shield and a few dots and just heavy attack everything. You end up with like 52k magic and things just melt and you have a 28k shield. I have considered adapting this in PVP. The sustain is endless, and I can hit 35K self buffed on a target dummy with literally 3 skills and a heavy attack. Not record breaking, but it sure is easy.

Edit: Stupid question, when you sneak do your pets sneak?

Morvane

u dont need shield on 2 bars.
this is my for Azura:

1) crushing shock (FP is sh*t), frags, curse, e. fury, streak
2) surge (utility slot), shield, healward, boundless storm (or 3d shield), streak

overload - surge, mines, def rune (cool at runs between keeps), rapid maneuvr, streak.

3 streaks on both panels is top choice.

SamTheSwan

Honestly just reroll unless you plan on doing the @Thelon fasallas, encase, negate, resource poison build. If you want to play magicka, play a class that has more sustain built into it (I'd recommend magblade for BG). Like having a 7k ward and being neigh forced to use light armor makes Magicka Sorc just feel awful in any open world environment. All it takes is one potato who can slot encase or purchase resource poisons to seal your fate.

Minalan

SamTheSwan wrote: »

Honestly just reroll unless you plan on doing the @Thelon fasallas, encase, negate, resource poison build. If you want to play magicka, play a class that has more sustain built into it (I'd recommend magblade for BG). Like having a 7k ward and being neigh forced to use light armor makes Magicka Sorc just feel awful in any open world environment. All it takes is one potato who can slot encase or purchase resource poisons to seal your fate.

Thelon's defiler build is pretty wicked, period.

It makes heal stacking Templars cry and points in the self healing tree pointless.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

SamTheSwan wrote: »

Honestly just reroll unless you plan on doing the @Thelon fasallas, encase, negate, resource poison build. If you want to play magicka, play a class that has more sustain built into it (I'd recommend magblade for BG). Like having a 7k ward and being neigh forced to use light armor makes Magicka Sorc just feel awful in any open world environment. All it takes is one potato who can slot encase or purchase resource poisons to seal your fate.

So per your sig, you play a magic sorc...

Sorcs are as strong as they have ever been right now.

GrigorijMalahevich

@Oreyn_Bearclaw
Yes, pets hide with you.

Derra

5 amber 3 willpower 2 engine
maelstrominferno with doublecost increase
random defending resto backbar with spelldmg enchant
thief
trifood

If you´re feeling resource issues - immovable pot + dark conversion spam (the game does not let you get interrupted permanently except for bashing without additional attacks).
Crushing shock or venom arrow will only interrupt about 50% of the casts.

Jawasa

SamTheSwan wrote: »

Honestly just reroll unless you plan on doing the @Thelon fasallas, encase, negate, resource poison build. If you want to play magicka, play a class that has more sustain built into it (I'd recommend magblade for BG). Like having a 7k ward and being neigh forced to use light armor makes Magicka Sorc just feel awful in any open world environment. All it takes is one potato who can slot encase or purchase resource poisons to seal your fate.

I allready have other classes both stamina and magica atm i want to play magica sorc atm. I'm doing fine with my current build but started this thread to get tips from other players. I allready tried mageblade but i sucked. Sorc is going a LOT better.

@Derra IF only i had that maelstorm desto.

Zander98

I've been PVPing in auras almost a year now despite being well above CP cap. And I'm solo about 70% of the time.
Because I'm solo most times I run more sustain/less damage than most would find acceptable. Works all right with me, though I can rarely burst super tanks to death I've got good survivability.
Last summer I ran 5 seducers 5 alt mastery 1 Kenya for as much cost mit as possible. You can bolt all day like that, almost like the old days....but no damage. Even with 3 damage glyphs. But alt mastery reducing the cost of negates down to 178 ult was nice.
For when I'm outnumbered or for big keep defenses I like 5 amber, 5 seducers 1 kena. Same as the last, but more stam. Open field I like 5 amber 5 bloodthorn 1 kena. Both sets have damage + max magical and it insures you'll never run out of stam.
Ever.
Just can't get caught shield stacking like that or you can run out of magical. And I go with cheaper skills than I do with seducer. (Encase instead of mines, mutagen stead of purge)
Like I said...less damage than most can swallow. But it takes a few people to finally take me down....unless I am playing bad and potato. Or zero dive. Hehe.

gibous

Zander98 wrote: »

Last summer I ran 5 seducers 5 alt mastery 1 Kenya

1pc Kenya gives 50% sprint cost reduction right?

I'll see myself out now...

Zander98

gibous wrote: »

Zander98 wrote: »

Last summer I ran 5 seducers 5 alt mastery 1 Kenya

1pc Kenya gives 50% sprint cost reduction right?

I'll see myself out now...

Just when I thought you couldn't be any more OP.......

Sigh....now you've made it to were I can't edit/fix it.

This is just another example of sorc being easymode. #nerfforumsorcs

Jawasa

@Zander98 Yeah sustain seems to be king! But how do you deal with high burst builds when the shields on azura are so small? With the stam regen set up maybe you dodge roll?

Zander98

Yeah. I roll a lot...Lol. Dodge roll is also good for an instant frag throw without animation and can be sneaky, so if I have a frag procced I try to throw it then.
But roll dodging, can cc break constantly. Use bolt and LOS. Have hardened on the front bar, so I can keep it up while dpsing. Just throw on healing ward from the back bar if my health gets hit through my shield or get hit by a massive DoT. Haven't used Harness since 1.3.
Mainly just never stop moving. Between boundless form, bolt and roll you can easily be the most mobile person in Cyro. Just be prepared for people to come after you like dogs on a rabbit.

josh.lackey_ESO

NightbladeMechanics wrote: »

Recommending Encase...ew. Have some dignity.

OP, mandate thief in your build to make up for the lower crit chance when playing without cp. Your kill potential will rise noticeably even if you give up some spell damage to do so. Build sustain beyond there. I personally like Seducer + Amber Plasm. You don't need to build much damage to deal significant damage in Azura's, but you'll need lots of sustain. Stam regen takes magicka sorc to the next level too. Try using Dark Conversion on your back bar or Overload bar. It's very powerful overall, but especially in Azura's.

I want to add to this. Thief is the best (most efficient) mundus unless you have crit chance saturation (usually around 60% or 70% crit chance), then Shadow is the best mundus. This is because thief is worth 3.5 normal set bonuses, whereas mage is worth 1.37 and atro is worth 1.53.

Thief gives a flat +11% crit chance with no divines. This is equal to 2409 crit rating from gear. A set bonus to crit for gold gear is 688. Therefore Thief provides you with the equivalent of 3.5 set bonuses. Compare to Mage, which gives 1320 magicka or Atro which gives 198 recovery. Gold gear set bonus gives 967 magicka or 129 recovery. Thus Mage is only worth 1.37 set bonuses and Atro is worth 1.53 set bonuses.

As for Shadow, it gives you 12% more crit damage. Crit damage is not a normal set bonus. The general rule is that "Thief is better than Shadow when your crit damage is more than 10% higher than your crit chance." Base crit damage is 50%. So unless you are running a build with 60 or 70% crit chance, Thief is better.

As for Encase, there are two schools of thought. One is to have some dignity, as Kena said. The other is to abuse broken mechanics (like root spam) to the point that enough people will complain about it and ZOS has to actually fix the mechanics.

Personally, I fall into a third category. I use encase only only people who deserve it. For example, if I get hit with talons or fossilize more than once in a fight with an mDK, I will tab them do nothing but encase spam them. If they flap their wings constantly, I will alternate in crushing shock. Sometimes I have to do this to ice staff users or nightblades, too, but mDK is the worst offender.

I also think situational encase is justified. If you need to get away from someone spamming gap closers, encase them and streak away, they can't gap close while rooted. Encase is also great for defending keeps. You can wipe a whole zerg on an inner breach by encasing them in oils. Be sure to put fury on everyone, too, so you get the killing blow and add AoE damage. It also works on an outer breach if you have enough siege hitting it. Keep front doors are especially fun, because you can stand on the ledge in the little cubby to the side of the door and your encase will catch people who are on the ground walking in. You can also streak straight across to the cubby on the other side and stun everyone as they come through.

Adenoma

@Derra , are you running amberplasm in CP campaigns as well?

Derra

Adenoma wrote: »

@Derra , are you running amberplasm in CP campaigns as well?

Nah - i don´t like that set.