Proc sets are ruining PVP

danno8

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

If you're a magic player just equip Soul Assault. Even the tankiest of players have trouble dealing with 70k damage in under 4 seconds.

It's not a cure all but it's an easy non-proc way of leveling the battlefield.

70k reduced to 35k in PvP, then reduced by another 15% since all stamina builds are running with a minimum 20k spell resistance (most magicka builds will have around 10k penetration).

So that 70k is really only around 30k over 4 seconds, or around 7.5k per second.

The thing is, most of these stamina builds are using S+B, so the cost of blocking a tick of damage uses around 1300 stamina. That 7k per second gets reduced again by 20% (S+B passive) and 15%(Deflect Bolts passive). So if you are keeping track that would be only around 20k over 4 seconds, or 5k per second.

Blocking in and of itself will cut the damage in half with no extra passives or boosts. So we get the final amount of around 2.5k per second.

It is easy to simply absorb all the damage at the cost a 4-5 thousand stamina and maybe 10k total damage over 4 seconds. Pretty sure vigor will cover that easily.

Kalebron

Vaoh wrote: »

This patch will be known as the Call of Duty patch of ESO. You can one shot people with multi-proc builds if you utilize the right setup. No need to even use your Ult to oneshot unless they're Heavy Armor with 26K+ health.

At this point I'd be fine if a temporary 25-50% damage reduction to PvP set damage procs were put in place through Battle Spirit.

Alas....

Welcome to One Tamriel PvP, the pinnacle of imbalance.

@Wrobel PLEASE FIX THIS Q1 2017!!!!!! IT'S EXTREMELY BAD.

Too bad magblade doesn't get a wonderful buff.

raasdal

I like how people believe One Tamriel destroyed everything, with sets that were all introduced months and months ago.....

Lava_Croft

raasdal wrote: »

I like how people believe One Tamriel destroyed everything, with sets that were all introduced months and months ago.....

The sets people mostly talk about were introduced with One Tamriel.

Pallio

The title should be changed to, PvP crowd asking for more nerfs to the PvE crowd, again.

Edziu

Pallio wrote: »

The title should be changed to, PvP crowd asking for more nerfs to the PvE crowd, again.

monster sets are normally using in pve dps but no this thermoscale and tell me for what for normla dungs I as dps should use widowmaker, viper instead of just hunding, TBS, VO etc?

DHale

It's always the casual player aka baddie who thinks everything needs nerfed. They don't want to be bothered with farming gear.... everyone and everything is op. They don't worry about rotations or efficient game play. It's far easier to blame exploits and CE and a million other excuses but refuse to adapt their builds and playstyles to the current state of the game. They will hold on for dear life to builds and classes and playstyles that are no longer competitive in order to be stubborn or honorable in the face of a game that changes patch to patch. I call them forum warrior can't play the game but get on the forums and wax poetically. Gg.

Lava_Croft

Pallio wrote: »

The title should be changed to, PvP crowd asking for more nerfs to the PvE crowd, again.

Because PvE is so incredibly hard without these ridiculous proc sets, right?

heystreethawk

This is the PvP Combat & Skills forum

Jaronking

The crazy thing about this is adding a 10 second cool down to another proc set and making only one activated at a time won't affect end game PVE at all since you would only run 1 proc set running more than one would ruin your DPS.So all the people who is truly arguing aagainst this are people who can finally get kills now in PVP and thats why their trying to defend this broken mess so they can keep beating players without this mess they would lose 10 out of 10 times.

All day yesterday I fought scrubs using these broken sets and still beat them but it doesn't change the fact these sets are broken.Plus you don't balance a game for PVE SOMETHING WROBEL seems to not understand that's why we have a broken mess of a game.

danno8

DHale wrote: »

It's always the casual player aka baddie who thinks everything needs nerfed. They don't want to be bothered with farming gear.... everyone and everything is op. They don't worry about rotations or efficient game play. It's far easier to blame exploits and CE and a million other excuses but refuse to adapt their builds and playstyles to the current state of the game. They will hold on for dear life to builds and classes and playstyles that are no longer competitive in order to be stubborn or honorable in the face of a game that changes patch to patch. I call them forum warrior can't play the game but get on the forums and wax poetically. Gg.

No one is talking about CE or exploits. No one thinks these specific proc sets are anything like CE or an exploit. Nice try trying to lump everyone's concern in with those who just kneejerk "Cheat!" all the time.

No one is saying that "everyone and everything is OP". We are being very specific.

I can't be sure, but it sounds like you are basically saying "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em". If that is the case you will be happy to know that a massive percentage of the playerbase has done just that.

Sandman929

DHale wrote: »

It's always the casual player aka baddie who thinks everything needs nerfed. They don't want to be bothered with farming gear.... everyone and everything is op. They don't worry about rotations or efficient game play. It's far easier to blame exploits and CE and a million other excuses but refuse to adapt their builds and playstyles to the current state of the game. They will hold on for dear life to builds and classes and playstyles that are no longer competitive in order to be stubborn or honorable in the face of a game that changes patch to patch. I call them forum warrior can't play the game but get on the forums and wax poetically. Gg.

Armor that procs high damage has nothing to do with efficient rotations or player skill....so it makes much more sense that "baddies" enjoy these things.

TheBonesXXX

Get rid of Battle Spirit and add PvP Damage reduction to current PvP sets and allow crafted sets inside Cyrodiil with PvP Damage reduction slot.

PvE sets will become obsolete.

nCats

It's not just mixture of PvE and PvP, it is also mixture of incentives. Why does one have to grind a lot for PvP gear in the first place? No, really, if my interest is to go fight other players, I may simply lack motivation to spend time in group dungeons, why should I be punished?

It also helps to remember that in the TES series, obtaining reasonable gear was not hard. Sure you would have to spend more time to get, say, Daedric in Skyrim (and that was a whole search story in Morrowind, if you deny killing one personage), but your reasonable (Ebony) gear would serve you well nonetheless. In a way, this applies to solo PvE as well.

PvP has to be developed not by introduction of new sets (although that can be done of course), but rather through other means: new territories, new objectives, more options for small scale... Imperial City is all we got as an add-on, where is more?

The grind for new gear demands new gear each patch and this is endless. Some people can have pleasure in that, but I think that other players have a right to have different incentives.

AverageJo3Gam3r

Wait...weren't you the same folks QQ over the heavy armor meta a few weeks ago? Blah blah no one dies blah blah heavy armor shouldnt give damage blah blah you shouldn't be able to dps in heavy armor. Now you complain it's too melty? Smh

HoloYoitsu

Duukar wrote: »

Leave my proc sets alone.

ITS THE ONLY WAY TO KILL A HEAL SPEC OR TANK.. Even then it takes SOOO much effort to drop one of these builds..

Dont L2P.. L2build!

If you think proctatoing on a tanky player is the only way to kill them, how in the hell did you deal with them for the last 2.5 years of the game before the proctatos grew out of the ground???

Proctatos defending these sets is about the stupidest thing I've seen in 3 years of these forums. But thanks for pointing out that the game isn't about skill anymore, just make sure to plant plenty of proc seeds in your build.

HoloYoitsu

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

Wait...weren't you the same folks QQ over the heavy armor meta a few weeks ago? Blah blah no one dies blah blah heavy armor shouldnt give damage blah blah you shouldn't be able to dps in heavy armor. Now you complain it's too melty? Smh

Who is "you folks"? The entire pvp community isn't represented by individuals who make individual threads. If you actually took the time to read through stuff on the forums, you would see that the people who complain about "heavy armor too tanky wah" and "proctatos proctatoing to victory" are 2 generally opposed camps of players. There is also a third subset of ppl who feel that both heavy armor and proctatos sets are problems.

So please, is there a reason you take no notice of these nuances? Do you just not read into things and felt like making a provocative statement?

Alucardo

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Pallio wrote: »

The title should be changed to, PvP crowd asking for more nerfs to the PvE crowd, again.

Because PvE is so incredibly hard without these ridiculous proc sets, right?

I don't know why they're complaining. I found my DPS to be higher when using standard sets, especially ones that increased my crit damage because it gave me a more constant damage over time. Proc sets are really only useful for burst (ie: PVP).

HoloYoitsu

Alucardo wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Pallio wrote: »

The title should be changed to, PvP crowd asking for more nerfs to the PvE crowd, again.

Because PvE is so incredibly hard without these ridiculous proc sets, right?

I don't know why they're complaining. I found my DPS to be higher when using standard sets, especially ones that increased my crit damage because it gave me a more constant damage over time. Proc sets are really only useful for burst (ie: PVP).

It's more of a reactionary mentality combined with ignorance/disdain for pvp in general as far as I can tell.

What puzzles me is that PvE whining has resulted in far and away more and larger nerfs to PvE than any PvP nerf calling has. Remember Doshia?

Lava_Croft

After stacking a bit of health I can say that Wrobel hasn't done a very good job with the proc gear since a measely 56k health is already enough to counter the proc pro's.

HoloYoitsu

Lava_Croft wrote: »

After stacking a bit of health I can say that Wrobel hasn't done a very good job with the proc gear since a measely 56k health is already enough to counter the proc pro's.

Teach me how to stack 56k hp on my mag sorc, plox.

kaithuzar

I honestly am not sure what to think. I'm in 5 heavy, 2 light 6 impen using duel wield resto
(yea, i know ppl are going to say "your problem is your a melee magicka nb & those are dead.." whatevs)
but I'll still get bursted down from full 25k health when everything procs at once.

Should it be like this, I don't think so, but I truly feel like I've min-maxed as much as possible with gear & cp, yet I don't know the answer to what should be done. (of course I have max cp & I also use shields)

Shields mitigate a large amount of the damage but there's always a time when you are cc'd & the shield runs out.
The longer the fight goes on the more likely that this situation will happen.

The entire reason I'm using 5 heavy & 6 impen was to combat the stam meta before one tamriel was released, now that it's been buffed by proc sets; I'm starting to feel like I can't compete at all.
If I really have to only rely on shields then I guess there's no point to going heavy if I'll be proc'd to death in 1 second.

Lava_Croft

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

After stacking a bit of health I can say that Wrobel hasn't done a very good job with the proc gear since a measely 56k health is already enough to counter the proc pro's.

Teach me how to stack 56k hp on my mag sorc, plox.

Stacking health is in no way related to what class you run.

Minalan

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Wrobel stopped caring, or didn't do enough testing. One of the two

The developers definitely PVP. Sadly they're either running proc set gankblades or malubeth Templars.

What's really bad? We now have two mostly dead campaigns and the one that used to be locked all day rarely is now.

cdemers72

So, I've been PvPing for quite a while as a MagBlade and I noticed one thing: I die a lot. Poo. Do I care? Nope. I also kill a lot and get good laughs when I plow through a group with Soul Tether / Proxy Det / HA / Impale. I heal myself too which sometimes annoys my opponents. I can also 2v1 and sometimes 3v1 and 4v1 if there's a crappy player in the mix. Sometimes I die in 1v1 too...it depends if I get jumped and cc'ed or if my opponent is simply a better player (gasp).

I wear my crafted heavy Julianos / light Seducer / mixed Willpower PvE set into PvP and don't feel like I need to change it up a whole lot. Maybe something new will catch my eye and I'll start wearing that instead. I might even craft new stuff at some point if I am bored for an hour.

I agree some builds out there are way OP but good for them for figuring it out. In some instances I am OP...I can solo quite a few 4 player dungeons and almost solo'ed Ruins of Mazzatun the day it came out (the final boss got me). Sometimes in Cyrodiil I never join a group if I don't want to talk to anyone. I still have fun.

The important thing is that I have fun in PvP, the groups I do run with are fun and we AP farm sometimes 40k per hour. The campaigns do vary as to who is dominant but it is really fun to flip a campaign with a good group.

The gripes I hear in here are the same gripes I have heard in almost every other MMORPG. WoW had the same gripes (the Horde is OP, I got nerfed, the new armour isn't fair). Just kick back and enjoy the game...it all comes back around at some point.

Waffennacht

Bash spam 4tw smh.

Cathexis

Proc set users behind the screen.



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Takes-No-Prisoner

cdemers72 wrote: »

So, I've been PvPing for quite a while as a MagBlade and I noticed one thing: I die a lot. Poo. Do I care? Nope. I also kill a lot and get good laughs when I plow through a group with Soul Tether / Proxy Det / HA / Impale. I heal myself too which sometimes annoys my opponents. I can also 2v1 and sometimes 3v1 and 4v1 if there's a crappy player in the mix. Sometimes I die in 1v1 too...it depends if I get jumped and cc'ed or if my opponent is simply a better player (gasp).

I wear my crafted heavy Julianos / light Seducer / mixed Willpower PvE set into PvP and don't feel like I need to change it up a whole lot. Maybe something new will catch my eye and I'll start wearing that instead. I might even craft new stuff at some point if I am bored for an hour.

I agree some builds out there are way OP but good for them for figuring it out. In some instances I am OP...I can solo quite a few 4 player dungeons and almost solo'ed Ruins of Mazzatun the day it came out (the final boss got me). Sometimes in Cyrodiil I never join a group if I don't want to talk to anyone. I still have fun.

The important thing is that I have fun in PvP, the groups I do run with are fun and we AP farm sometimes 40k per hour. The campaigns do vary as to who is dominant but it is really fun to flip a campaign with a good group.

The gripes I hear in here are the same gripes I have heard in almost every other MMORPG. WoW had the same gripes (the Horde is OP, I got nerfed, the new armour isn't fair). Just kick back and enjoy the game...it all comes back around at some point.

I ran with a guy on his MagNB bomber build, similar set up to yours, and we 2 maned some zergs in our little 6 man group we had going. He was absolutely loving calling for my Negates on top of zergs and he would rush in an bomb enemies stacked inside. Of course we both died at the end, but we were giggling like school girls every time he went in for the kill. Since it was the last keep Yellow was holding emp on, there was fun for the whole family.

HoloYoitsu

Lava_Croft wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

After stacking a bit of health I can say that Wrobel hasn't done a very good job with the proc gear since a measely 56k health is already enough to counter the proc pro's.

Teach me how to stack 56k hp on my mag sorc, plox.

Stacking health is in no way related to what class you run.

Never said it was, but I have yet to see anything but a trollplar with over 50k hp. I'd be down to do that on sorc and make a derp vid if you can show me a way to self heal effectively without crutching on dark deal. Cuz let's face it, everyone who isn't a mouth breather is gona bash you, and with Tatoscales on you constantly (srsly wtf Wrobel, 8 sec snare on a 4 sec CD!?) you aren't gona be able to los to channel safely.

There's one high hp build I can think of, but I don't think it would reach 56k hp.

TheBonesXXX

Good PvP is officially dead.